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1 posted on 11/25/2007 11:50:07 AM PST by ECM
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They are all collectivists.

The Lefties try to paint Conservatives with the "Nazi" stripe, but under closer inspection it washes off pretty well and sticks on them instead.

Hillary == Nazi.

2 posted on 11/25/2007 11:51:59 AM PST by Bosco (Remember how you felt on September 11?)
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hmmm....


3 posted on 11/25/2007 11:52:08 AM PST by brivette
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The MSM and the PC schoolbooks of today will never, ever mention that "Nazi" is a shortened form of the real name: National Socialist Workers Party.
4 posted on 11/25/2007 11:55:33 AM PST by FormerACLUmember (“If a tax cut increases government revenues, you haven’t cut taxes enough.” –Milton Friedman)
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National Socialism in Hitler's Germany was NOT Marxism. What is was was abject socialism with a fascist twist. What it was was totalitariansim, which it had/has in common with most all marxist and especially communist states. But Marxism and Nazism differed in ideology, particularly economically.

Call them whatever else you will...both were and are repressive, ignore individual unalianebale rights, are totalitarian and lead to genocide...but they also differ in the finer points of how to implement their totalitarian regimes.

5 posted on 11/25/2007 11:55:38 AM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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This commie's slogan helped to spread the myth:


Only thing was he publicly protested the US going to war against Nazi Germany until Hitler betrayed his beloved Uncle Joe Stalin. It was only AFTER 12/7/1941 that put the slogan on his guitar.

And his guitar never did kill a damn Fascist.

7 posted on 11/25/2007 12:00:23 PM PST by weegee (End the Bush-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton-Clinton/Clinton-Bush-Bush-Clinton/Clinton Oligarchy 1980-2012)
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Nazi’s were Marxists? Yeah, right. That’s why Hitler invaded Russia. Hitler had nothing but contempt for Marxists.


9 posted on 11/25/2007 12:08:10 PM PST by DaGman
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The only important difference between Nazi-ism, Fascism,
Communism, Socialism and Liberalism is the spelling, and
that the last group hasn’t got the brains to figure it out.
- Bill Vance

I would add Islamo-ism to the above quote.

10 posted on 11/25/2007 12:08:22 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (Rudy and Romney voters send a self-abused stomped elephant to the DRNC.)
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Joseph Goebbels used Communist class struggle propaganda in order to recruit members of trade unions to the Nazi Party.


11 posted on 11/25/2007 12:08:51 PM PST by camerakid400
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Nazism, Fascism, Socialism and Communism are all kissin’ cousins.
12 posted on 11/25/2007 12:11:50 PM PST by Lancer_N3502A
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From my FR home page:

Although our modern socialists’ promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under “communism” and “fascism.” As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, “the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany.”

No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.

— F.A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom


19 posted on 11/25/2007 12:19:43 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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Trying to keep track of socialist doctrinal nit picking is mind numbing. Lenin wrote a tract Condemning "Socialism In One Country". That set the mark.

Left socialists believed in a world movement to communism, Stalin. Right socialists, Hitler, El Duce in local State socialism, hence all communist(Statist)/socialist/liberal/Conservative movements are Right Wing, bad explanation, mind burner.

20 posted on 11/25/2007 12:20:31 PM PST by Little Bill (Welcome to the Newly Socialist State of New Hampshire)
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Although I agree that the Nazi’s were leftist, I think it is not accurate to say they were Marxists. A more accurate description would be to say they were heretics of the Marxists. Marx preached the creation of the *international* collective, whereas Hitler and Mussolini wanted a *national* (Aryan/Italian) collectives. The rejection of the international aspect of leftism was anathema to the older communists which is why they hated the fascists so much. For more details on this point, read HEAVEN ON EARTH: THE RISE AND FALL OF SOCIALISM by Joshua Muravchik.


24 posted on 11/25/2007 12:21:54 PM PST by Madam Theophilus
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PS: They were anti-Christian as well.


27 posted on 11/25/2007 12:23:57 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (NYT Headline: Protocols of the Learned Elders of CBS: Fake but Accurate, Experts Say)
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Nice column. Thank you for posting it.


35 posted on 11/25/2007 12:43:30 PM PST by syriacus (30,000 Americans died in 30 months in Korea under Truman, to RE-WIN SK's freedom.)
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I would like someone smarter than me to explain why the nazis hated communist russia if nazi-ism is the same thing as communism.


45 posted on 11/25/2007 1:04:53 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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What embarrassing sophistry!


46 posted on 11/25/2007 1:06:36 PM PST by Petronski (Reject the liberal troika: romney, giuliani, mccain)
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bump


48 posted on 11/25/2007 1:15:37 PM PST by Bronzewound
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You are correct. They were the national socialists. The communist are international socialists.


49 posted on 11/25/2007 1:19:05 PM PST by sport
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Freepers have long commented on projection.

projection - (psychiatry) a defense mechanism by which your own traits and emotions are attributed to someone else

We know that the Left's leaders are aware of the traits of what they advocate (national/international socialism) and aware of the public's attitude toward Nazis. Thus the National Socialist Left use the word "Nazi" as a weapon against opponents to provoke their dupes.

Freepers have long known of the Left's dupes' psychological disorder characterized by extreme hostility toward views contrary to their own feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelings.

Such contrary views are dangerous for our democracy says the author of the popular-on-the-left book "Republic.com" and government must force the narrow-minded people holding those views to change. Now there's a Nazi!

At a globalists level the article reminded me of today's Devos Man, the transnational corporate executive.

As reported back then the "most cruel joke of all" has been how Hitler treated those capitalists and small businessmen who thought National Socialism would save them from radicalism. Some businesses had been expropriated; some were subjected to a capital tax; all had profits strictly controlled; and all were subjected to intense government regulation . . . the Nazis were their masters, not servants.

The Devos men's internationalist New Democrat Third Way "progressive" partners will do more than expropriate, raise taxes, and control -- beware! they are in the market for rope. Got rope?

(It's a Marxist revolution from the top down, dummies.)

56 posted on 11/25/2007 1:26:04 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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No, the Nazis were not Marxists. There are similarities in the three great totalitarian systems of the 20th century, Communism, Nazism, and fascism, but there are significant and overwhelming differences.

Marx believed in the supremacy of the international proletariat, the industrial working class of the mid 19th century that was nearly nonexistent by the 1930's. The Nazis believed in the supremacy of a Master Race whose blood conferred the ability and the right to rule. The former believed in solidarity by economic class, the latter by racial identification.

Both are "socialist" in the collectivist approach to individual political and property rights but are economically different - Marx would have claimed that they were different stages in the inevitable historical progression toward world socialism. Communism, however, requires the State to possess the means of production, and Nazism allowed private possession of them so long as their use was directed by the State. In that Nazism more resembled fascist economic practice than Marxist.

These doctrines were similar in practice - both Nazism and Communism employed the rhetoric of oppression and offered moral absolution for the violent repression of race or class enemies, respectively. As Hayek pointed out, it was common for Communist street-fighters to join with their enemies in the Sturmabteilung once it became clear which side was going to win. They had, after all, common enemies.

This gets very confusing when one attempts to trace the roots of Nazism from its contemporary fascism. The latter, codified by Mussolini and a fellow named Gentile, was nominally anti-communist, even anti-socialist although its own economics were difficult to tell from socialism in practice. Nazism and fascism were nationalist; Marxism is emphatically internationalistic. All three are statist (Marx proposing that eventually the state would "wither away," one of his more nonsensical and historically invalid notions). All three are collectivist. All three posit the supremacy of the collective entities over those of their individual constituents, the difference being the nature of those entities. All three were and are murderous, brutal, and in application thoroughly oppressive and evil. But identical, they were not.

58 posted on 11/25/2007 1:35:18 PM PST by Billthedrill
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