Posted on 11/25/2007 9:26:29 PM PST by Terriergal
You might to reread the whole book of Lot again ...the Lord did not take away... The Lord allowed Satan to tried Lot for a time to disprove Satan (the accuser) charge... the same charge you make
Lot held faithfully to the word of the Lord and not the consul of men (his three friends) ... Lot was blessed by the Lord before and twice blessed after
We do not faithfully to the word of the Lord for blessing nor does God word promise no trial in life, for Ive been tried many a time, but to denied God does bless and promise blessing is denying the word of the Lord
I just found this (recently quoted on Way of the Master radio) that indicates Jesus DOES want us to be rich -
in Christ!
(William Mason, “The One Thing Needful to Make
Poor Sinners Rich—and Miserable Sinners Happy”)
Where Christ is most precious—
there sin is exceedingly sinful;
and self is humbled and loathed!
But—do we not grow stronger in ourselves, and
find more help and power from ourselves—
to withstand our enemies,
to fight our good fight,
to run our race, and
to perfect holiness?
No! If we think so—it is plain that we are not
growing up into Christ—but growing down into
self! If the Lord has given me to know anything
of this matter, after being upwards of twenty
years in precious Christ, I sincerely declare, that
I find myself to be just that weak, helpless sinner
I was when I first came to Jesus with, “Lord help
me! Lord save me—or I perish!” Yes, I find myself
more helpless now—than I thought myself then.
I see more constant need to put on Christ, and
to say, “truly in the Lord (not in myself) I have
strength!”
I never more firmly believed than now, this truth
of my Lord, “Without Me, you can do nothing.” John
15:5. Never, never did I see less cause to trust in
my own strength!
“Hold me up—and I shall be safe!” Psalm 119:117
I don’t think you’re recalling that God did take away Lot’s children, his livestock and his wealth. Later it was restored to him but read what Job himself said:
Job 1:21(NIV)
and said: “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I will depart. The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; may the name of the LORD be praised.”
Wouldn’t this be indication that, like Paul, we should learn whatever our situation to be content? Which of the Apostles were wealthy? These health-wealth-and-prosperity teachers mislead people.
God did not did take away Lot’s children, his livestock and his wealth.
Satan charges Job to God and God allowed Satan to tried Lot for a time to disprove Satan
Below are the total of what God did to Job
Job1:12 The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, everything he has is in your hands, but on the man himself do not lay a finger."
Job2:6 The LORD said to Satan, "Very well, then, he is in your hands; but you must spare his life."
God never touched Job
God withdrew the "hedge around him and his household and everything he has"(to use Satan words) that God had put around Job ...this alow Satan will, to tried Job... and even then God put limits on what Satan could do to Job
As for what Job himself said guess he and his three friends don't know, there on earth and not party to whats going on above, what Job himself said is speculation
In fact the whole last part of Job is God dressing down Job for his speculation...
Job 1:21(NIV)
and said: “Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I will depart.
The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away;
may the name of the LORD be praised.”
You quote Job at the beginning of the book
This is God and Job at the end of the book
Job 38
The LORD Speaks
1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the storm. He said:
2 “Who is this that darkens my counsel
with words without knowledge?
Job 42
Job
1 Then Job replied to the LORD :
2 “I know that you can do all things;
no plan of yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my counsel without knowledge?’
Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
things too wonderful for me to know.
So God sat by impotently unable to stop Satan?
Hmm... seems to me that Ephesians 1:11 is true. He works ALL things according to the counsel of his will. Even our earthly trials and poverty. Nothing happens that he does not plan on, and permit, therefore it is part of his will, whether we find ourselves earthly poor or earthly rich. If we are in Christ, we are already spiritually rich.
And pardon me -- but are you trying to stand up for a false teacher like Copeland who says Christ died spiritually in Hell and that we are little gods? What's the point?
Right. And yet Job was not 'prospered' for a good chunk of time. Apparently that was part of God's plan. You said it yourself here.
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