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Ron Paul Has Won
PatrickRuffini.com ^ | November 26th, 2007 | Patrick Ruffini

Posted on 11/26/2007 1:54:54 PM PST by rob777

He won’t win the nomination. He won’t win any primaries. But for Ron Paul’s quixotic bid for the White House, it’s “Mission Accomplished.”

In the past few months, Ron Paul has dramatically raised the profile of libertarianism inside the Republican Party. My small-l libertarian friends seem more comfortable describing themselves as such, even though they’ll go out of their way to disassociate themselves from Ron Paul and the big-L kind.

Libertarianism in the GOP took a big hit on 9/11, and it’s slowly coming back, with Ron Paul as the catalyst. Its underlying ideals still have appeal well beyond the cramped confines of the LP. If it’s possible to be known as a pro-life, pro-war, pro-wiretapping libertarian, then sign me up. Markos too brands himself a “libertarian Democrat,” though he’s never read Hayek and supports big government social programs.

Some campaigns can win big without ever coming close to winning an actual contest. Pat Robertson’s 1988 campaign signaled that Christian Conservatives had arrived in the GOP. Ron Paul is doing the same for libertarians. This is not a counterweight to the religious right per se, since Paul is identified as pro-life, but it does potentially open up a new army of activists on the right not primarily motivated by social/moral issues.

Not every losing single-issue candidate succeeds like this. Immigration-restrictionists still lack an outlet in the GOP, thanks to Tom Tancredo’s embarrassing tone-deafness as a candidate. Sam Brownback’s campaign had hoped to galvanize single-issue pro-lifers, but was hobbled by his dry persona. Duncan Hunter looks mostly like a campaign for Secretary of Defense.

Assuming Paul loses, where does small-l libertarianism go from here? His movement already did the smart thing by making peace with social conservatism. Libertarianism is no longer aligned with libertine stances on abortion and gay rights.

To become the ascendant ideology within the GOP, I suspect they’ll have to find a way to do the same thing on national security. The war on terror writ large is the one big thing social and economic conservatives agree on, and Ron Paul is vocally aligned against both.

Mainstream Republican libertarians might be gung-ho for Paul’s small-government idealism, they might adopt Glenn Reynoldsish skepticism of the homeland security bureaucracy, and even John McCain has lately made a thing of ripping the military-industrial complex, but there is no way — I repeat NO WAY — they will embrace Ron Paul if he continues to blame America for 9/11 and imply that America is acting illegally in defending itself around the globe. Even if they aren’t the biggest fans of the war, most people that are available for Ron Paul on the right are by temperament patriotic and will never vote for someone who sounds like Noam Chomsky.

As someone who routinely called myself a libertarian prior to 9/11, here’s how I would square the circle: Absolute freedom within our borders, for our own citizens; eternal vigilance and (when necessary) ruthlessness abroad. For libertarian ideals to survive, they must be relentlessly defended against the likes of Islamic extremists. Take a look at Andrew Sullivan’s writing right after 9/11 to see this ideal in its purest form; far from a religious crusade, ours was a war for secularism, tolerance, and free societies where gays don’t get stoned to death.

The key principle is one of reciprocity. If you behave peacefully and embrace the norms of a libertarian society, we leave you alone. If you seek to destroy a free society, we will destroy you.

If they’re serious about defending their ideals and seeing to it that libertarianism survives more than a generation in actual practice, I don’t see any reason why libertarians couldn’t embrace a more conservative positioning on national security.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; 2kooky; 4georgesoros; beltbomber; catspaw; libertarians; midget; nutcase; paulistinians; ronpaul; ruffini; soros; whackjob; winners
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To: rob777

21 posted on 11/26/2007 2:30:56 PM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Ho, Ho, Ho! MERRY CHRISTMAS! God bless us one and all, if you (IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!)
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To: rob777

22 posted on 11/26/2007 2:31:27 PM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Ho, Ho, Ho! MERRY CHRISTMAS! God bless us one and all, if you (IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!)
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To: rob777

23 posted on 11/26/2007 2:31:54 PM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Ho, Ho, Ho! MERRY CHRISTMAS! God bless us one and all, if you (IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!)
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To: Baladas
His negatives are in the mid-50s among likely voters in Iowa

Source, please

the more Paul is known, the more he is disliked by his own base.

His base pretty much consists of everybody. I don't think Dr. Paul gives a crap about GOP insiders and hacks angry that he's spoiling their fun.

24 posted on 11/26/2007 2:33:47 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: DoughtyOne
Paul presidential campaign has done nothing for true conservatives as far as I am concerned. No, instead he has given the press grounds to dismiss those that support smaller government, less taxation and on and on...

Do you seriously think that the press NEEDS any grounds to dismiss those that support smaller government, less taxation, and so on?

You've got to be kidding me.

25 posted on 11/26/2007 2:35:00 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: WakeUpAndVote; George W. Bush

Man, I’m so glad I took FReeper’s George W. Bush’s advice and installed ad-blocker on my browers. It’s nice looking at red Xs instead of photo-shopped garbage.


26 posted on 11/26/2007 2:35:10 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: DoughtyOne
Paul's presidential campaign has done nothing for true conservatives as far as I am concerned. No, instead he has given the press grounds to dismiss those that support smaller government, less taxation and on and on...

I agree. Ron's vehement anti-war message simply strengthens Democrats, who flock to 'support' him but who, in reality, are hoping to fracture the already-weakened Republican party. The Libertarian small-government message is practically invisible with Ron Paul ranting about Iraq. His suggestions that there is a possibility of 'the government' being involved in the death and destruction of the terrorist attacks of 9/11/01, simply mark Ron Paul and his libertarianism as part of a 'kook fringe', which benefits no one, least if all, political conservatism.

The concept that Paul has 'won' by losing is fantasy. He hasn't brought libertarian values to the GOP, but simply made himself appear a political lightweight and his libertarianism to be more about isolationism (under the anti-war banner) than a responsible approach to the threat from Islamic fanatics.

Ron Paul has his attributes but he is far from being a libertarian missionary, imparting libertarian 'values' to the heathen GOP minions, as the lead article tries to make us believe. He is a marginal candidate, soon to be blown away in the primary voting and quickly forgotten as the real presidential campaign begins.

27 posted on 11/26/2007 2:35:39 PM PST by Jim Scott (Time Heals)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

And they call the Paulbots “spammers.”


28 posted on 11/26/2007 2:35:54 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Jim Scott

Judging by the latest FR poll results, it’s the contest between Hunter and Thompson that’s splitting the Republican party.

And does it even occur to you to ask WHY the Republican party is already weakened? Do you think it might have something to do with the party’s adoption of the “Clinton Doctrine” of “humanitarian warfare?”


29 posted on 11/26/2007 2:37:09 PM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: Sonora
"But, why post this article here?"


Because I am absolutely disgusted by the GOP's betrayal of the cause of limited government and am desperately looking for a Goldwater type of movement to emerge that will push that cause back to the forefront. Because of his views on the nature of the Islamic threat, I am not supporting his candidacy. That does not mean that I am not interested in what becomes of the movement he has inspired. We really need to stop looking at politics in the short sighted fashion of who is going to win the next election and examine what kind of movement a person can inspire over the long haul. Ron Paul definitely has some warts, but it might very well be the case that the movement which he has inspired may be a political factor long after he is no longer on the political scene. If that turns out to be so, then we need to engage in dialog with his supporters over issues of disagreement. the childish name calling that has substituted for such discussion until now is more worthy of DU or KOS than FR. (At least I wish such were the case)
30 posted on 11/26/2007 2:37:15 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

If there is any ad blockers, let me know. That means you have an infected machine. My pics come out of private web space. You have a direct link to the pics.


31 posted on 11/26/2007 2:38:55 PM PST by WakeUpAndVote (Ho, Ho, Ho! MERRY CHRISTMAS! God bless us one and all, if you (IF YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!)
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To: rob777

He’s attracted a lot of nuts. Temporarily.


32 posted on 11/26/2007 2:41:39 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mvpel

The press is enjoying the Ron Paul dynamic right now. Just wait until he isn’t positioned to take down conservative Republicans and you’ll see what I’m predicting.

While the press does diss conservatives, it’s never advisable to see them given another club with which to further that cause.


33 posted on 11/26/2007 2:44:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: ctdonath2

he has already “won” by garnering lots of support and not being easily dismissed.
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Your statement doesn’t convince me. The same thing could be said about Algore-global warming, gay marriage, open borders, gun control, Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton-racism, etc.

That is, unless one considers winning differently than I do. No protest campaign is foolish enuf to eliminate all positions that others can support.


34 posted on 11/26/2007 2:44:25 PM PST by crazyshrink (Being uninformed is one thing, choosing ignorance is a whole different problem.)
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To: rob777
Ooo wah, ooo wah cool, cool kitty Tell us about the boy from New York City Ooo wah, ooo wah c'mon kitty Tell us about the boy from New York City

35 posted on 11/26/2007 2:44:53 PM PST by Revolting cat! (We all need someone we can bleed on...)
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To: Jim Scott

I agree Jim.


36 posted on 11/26/2007 2:45:15 PM PST by DoughtyOne (California, where the death penalty is reserved for wholesome values. SB 777)
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To: Prime Rib Minister
Ron Paul is rousing the moonbat subset of the Republican party.

I'd never thought I'd see the day when supporting federalism and the Constitution in its original intent became "moonbatty."

True constitutionalist as well as true conservatives think his stances are bunk.

How many more statements are you going to pull from your anus?

Republicans fund him

No Republicans, corporations, globalists, or leftist organizations are funding Dr. Paul.

in the hopes he runs as a 3rd party candidate

He has stated millions of times he's not running as a 3rd party candidate. But you knew that already. You want Paul to run as a 3rd party candidate so the GOP will have a scapegoat when they lose.

and in doing so pulls votes from the Democrats- not because his message “resonates.”

Mind telling me why leftists would support someone who's the polar opposite of their beliefs?

He’s given libertarianism a black-eye.

You mean he's given the pro-dopers, pro-open borders, anti-war kook big L libertarians black-eyes, not the small-l libertarians who make up the bulk of his support.

37 posted on 11/26/2007 2:47:56 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: trisham
"He’s attracted a lot of nuts. Temporarily."


I think that this is a case of wishful thinking. It is clear form visiting a number of the blogs run by his supporters, or by viewing the numerous YouTube videos which support him, that a large segment of his support comes from people who take the cause of limited government seriously and feel betrayed by the leadership of both parties. In fact, I have found a few sites when the posters supported him IN SPITE OF his stand on the WOT. He certainly gets a lot of support from the hard money investors based on his call for a sound currency.
38 posted on 11/26/2007 2:51:46 PM PST by rob777 (Personal Responsibility is the Price of Freedom)
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To: rob777

Wishful thinking? Not on my part.


39 posted on 11/26/2007 2:52:50 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Cat loving Texan

I believe you are correct. It is the Democrat liberaltarians coming to support him in greater numbers than even the Neo-Nazis.


40 posted on 11/26/2007 2:54:11 PM PST by ImpBill ("America ... Where are you now?" --Greg Adams--Brownsville, TX --On the other Front Line)
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