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The GOP accepts no presidential dissent (Primary voters must sign loyalty oaths)
Roanoke Times ^ | 11/28/07 | Roanoke Times

Posted on 11/28/2007 6:03:29 AM PST by redwill

Editorial: The GOP accepts no presidential dissent Primary voters must sign loyalty oaths. Where's a third party when you need it?

(Excerpt) Read more at roanoke.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: oath; republicans; virginia; vote; waah
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The Republican Party of Virginia has no interest in thoughtful voters. It only wants mindless party loyalists who will vote Republican no matter what.

That's the sad message of a new GOP policy for next year's presidential primary approved by the State Board of Elections this week. People who want to vote in it must sign a loyalty oath swearing their intent to vote in November for the party's nominee, whomever that winds up being.

A Republican voter might look at the primary contenders and conclude Mike Huckabee is the best choice. That voter might also decide he would never vote for Rudy Giuliani. Perhaps he would look for a Libertarian or independent alternative.

Or it could be just the opposite. Perhaps a would-be Republican voter finds Huckabee unsupportable, or Fred Thompson or Mitt Romney.

The oath precludes such careful analysis and leaves Republicans three options:

n Lie. Virginia's ballots are still secret; no one will know if you vote against the party nominee.

n Stay home from the Feb. 12 election and keep your options open.

n Commit to an unknown Republican candidate nine months before the election.

Honorable Virginians do not give their word lightly and will not lie, even under these obtuse circumstances. We hope, too, that they put candidates' ideas, character and experience ahead of party affiliation.

Honest, responsible voters therefore can only skip the primary.

That, obviously, was not the goal of the Republican loyalty oath. The oath is an outgrowth of Virginia's open primaries and a two-party system that prizes power over all else.

Democrats are susceptible to such electoral foolishness, too. In Roanoke, Democrats who want to help pick the party's city council candidates must vow to support the party's nominees.

Virginians do not register by party, so anyone, even a Democratic-leaning voter, can participate in the GOP primary and skew the results. Though there is scant evidence such crossover voting ever influences elections, political parties deserve the right to control who selects their candidates. They are private organizations, after all.

Anyone who needed more evidence that Virginia's election system is broken has it. Why bother having the election at all? Just count how many Virginians sign away their intent to cast an informed vote.

1 posted on 11/28/2007 6:03:30 AM PST by redwill
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To: redwill

You will be assimilated into the GOP Borg. Resistance is futile.


2 posted on 11/28/2007 6:07:51 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: redwill

It’s time for another choice! The two parties we have right now are virtually indistinguishable. Depending on who the GOP nominee is, I’m a hair’s width away from leaving this stupid party.


3 posted on 11/28/2007 6:09:02 AM PST by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter needs to be our next Sec. of Defense, Dir. of Homeland Security - or Vice President!)
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To: redwill
People who want to vote in it must sign a loyalty oath swearing their intent to vote in November for the party's nominee, whomever that winds up being.

Someone's making a big deal about nothing. A loyalty oath is non-binding and no matter how one votes, nobody's going to know and even if they do find out, nothing can be done about it.
4 posted on 11/28/2007 6:11:24 AM PST by adorno
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To: redwill

There’s a reason for this because Democrats can skew the results in what amounts to an “open primary”, but it does seem silly.

I’m not going to get angry about it.


5 posted on 11/28/2007 6:12:38 AM PST by Nextrush (Proudly uncommitted in the 2008 race for president for now,, but McCain and Paul never)
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To: redwill

What nonsense. This is an attempt to stop Democrats from voting in Republican primaries (as they did for McCain in 2000). I don’t know why any state continues to have open primaries. If you want a say in who a party picks for its nominee you should be in the party. Otherwise go find another party.


6 posted on 11/28/2007 6:13:17 AM PST by rhombus
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To: alicewonders

The democrats aren’t the only ones running a plantation these days.


7 posted on 11/28/2007 6:13:26 AM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: redwill
The oath is an outgrowth of Virginia's open primaries and a two-party system that prizes power over all else.

Power should not be a consideration in political service. Term limits would help correct that. Serve, then get out and live under the laws you passed.

8 posted on 11/28/2007 6:14:20 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: redwill; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; GeorgeW23225; ...
While I have a healthy amount of scorn for the Republican Party of Virginia, this article is misleading. There is no "loyalty oath."

The statement merely says (and I paraphrase) that, "at the time of this primary, my intent is to support the GOP nominee."

There's nothing binding about it.

9 posted on 11/28/2007 6:14:29 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (NaNoWriMo Word Count : 23,187/50,000)
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To: cripplecreek

You got that right, and I’m looking for escape routes!


10 posted on 11/28/2007 6:14:42 AM PST by alicewonders (Duncan Hunter needs to be our next Sec. of Defense, Dir. of Homeland Security - or Vice President!)
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To: redwill
Also from the article.

“Democrats are susceptible to such electoral foolishness, too. In Roanoke, Democrats who want to help pick the party’s city council candidates must vow to support the party’s nominees.”

11 posted on 11/28/2007 6:14:55 AM PST by fireforeffect (A kind word and a 2x4, gets you more than just a kind word.)
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To: redwill

This is just a gimmick.

So employ your own gimmick to counter it.

Here are a couple ideas:

1) Sign the oath. If the candidate that wins the primary isn’t to your liking, sign another document rescinding your signature on the first one prior to the election. You can then either send it to the party, or just throw it away after signing.

2) Bring a contribution check, unsigned, with you when you go to sign the oath. Tell them that you only have the patience to sign ONE of the documents — which one would they prefer? Bring a camera so you can record the fun.

What the hell happened to Virginia, anyway? Maryland liberals?


12 posted on 11/28/2007 6:16:18 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Retire Ron Paul! Support Chris Peden (www.chrispeden.org))
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To: rhombus
This is an attempt to stop Democrats from voting in Republican primaries...

RATS don't seem to have any compunction about lying, and will likely vote (or be voted by fraud) in both parties anyway.

13 posted on 11/28/2007 6:17:18 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: redwill

Wow, control freakish. No wonder I can’t stand politicians.


14 posted on 11/28/2007 6:18:35 AM PST by ovrtaxt (You're a destiny that God wrapped a body around.)
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To: redwill

Good grief.
The PROBLEM is the “open primary”.
Dhimmocrats, prohibitionists, and flat-earthers get to chose the Republican candidate.
Just get rid of the open primary, dummies.


15 posted on 11/28/2007 6:21:50 AM PST by Flintlock
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To: redwill

Not enforceable...


16 posted on 11/28/2007 6:25:08 AM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nilhilism)
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To: Flintlock

What a joke, VA has an open primary... Stupid is as stupid does, no wonder why the GOP is getting clobbered in VA.


17 posted on 11/28/2007 6:26:29 AM PST by Fred (The Democrat Party is the Nadir of Nilhilism)
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To: JimRed

What does any party expect with open primaries?


18 posted on 11/28/2007 6:31:22 AM PST by rhombus
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Since you’re from New Hampshire, I’ll fill you in so you quit displaying your ignorance:

Virginia’s primaries are non-partisan, meaning anyone can vote for anyone. The intent, here, is that the Republican Party doesn’t want a whole bunch of Democrats sabotaging the Republican primaries, as had been done routinely in the past.

The real insidious thing about this article is that the Virginia GOP has been doing this for several election cycles.


19 posted on 11/28/2007 6:32:35 AM PST by dangus
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To: redwill

If this is true...this is a bad idea...

However, as mentioned in your post, the only reason a GOP official would recommend this...is if they a problem with wacko lefties trying to vote in the primaries for Ron Paul or cause general mayhem...etc...or not vote the state nominee at the convention...

Still...it’s bad idea....

Personally, I want the legislature disbanded, Pelosi and her ilk tried for treason and then deported to Cuba along with Ted Turner and Pinch, and a military government set up until we can reform the education system and mass media outlets enough to ensure an educated electorate. :-)


20 posted on 11/28/2007 6:32:43 AM PST by in hoc signo vinces ("Houston, TX...a waiting quagmire for jihadis.")
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