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Republican Presidential Candidate Debate #10 St. Petersburg 11/28/07 - Official Discussion Thread

Posted on 11/28/2007 3:59:54 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture

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To: floriduh voter

No, Huckabee would have been better off with a chichlet smile. His teeth are all crooked, his gums are receded and his teeth are yellow.

Yeah, McCain looked bad. He’s had a lot of surgery on his face, so his face looks fairly wrinkle free, but the neck is very crepey. Huckabee looks kind of the same way. His neck looks a lot older than his face. He probably had to have some surgery after losing all that weight.

Thompson just looks old and has discolored teeth. But the only that didn’t have noticeably bad teeth was Duncan Hunter. He could use some tooth bleaching though.


2,721 posted on 11/29/2007 4:17:03 PM PST by Eva
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To: bdeaner

More like a bubba Clinton in my opinion.


2,722 posted on 11/29/2007 4:18:32 PM PST by altura (Go, Fred!)
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To: AmericanInTokyo

You wrote, “Mitt seems to stumble on whether he has belief in the Bible. There was a lot of stuttering, delay and faltering there. Very interesting. What happened!?”

This is what I think (emphasis: THINK) happened:

The Mormons believe that the Bible is true and accurate ...um...let’s see...I’m trying to remember how they phrase it... I think they say “...the Bible is accurate in so far as it is accurately translated...”

According to Mormon belief (I think-—and if I’m wrong, I’d be happy to be corrected by someone more knowledgeable of Mormon theology), the Bible has become corrupted over the centuries and is no longer entirely accurate. That’s why a new revelation of Jesus Christ was necessary (The Book of Mormon).

Whereas Rudy and Huck accepted the question as merely being “Are you a literalist Bible-thumper” type question, to Mitt ... well.... it possibly sent alarm bells ringing in his mind. Possibly, he was unsure whether or not to take this as a question targeted specifically at his Mormon theology.

He must remain faithful to Mormon theology,

... but.....
it would not go down well in the debate to out-and-out say the Bible is (somewhat?) corrupted and inaccurate.

Anyway, I THINK that this is why he was stuttering.

Regards,
Molly K.


2,723 posted on 11/29/2007 5:20:16 PM PST by Molly K.
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To: NautiNurse

“Huckabee time and again made them applaud, laugh, and say, “He looks presidential.” Huckabee is definitely connecting with viewers.”

He definitely is connecting. He is Reagan-esque in his stage presence. He hits a home run, rhetorically speaking, every time he opens his mouth.

Romney looked like a deer caught in the headlights half the time. This was his least impressive performance. He came across very poorly in his exchange with McCain over torture. He got dinged by Giuliani on the “sancuary mansion” issue, and he didn’t really have a good comeback for that. Etc.

Giuliani is looking more liberal every time. Forget it. He had the best video though. At least it was funny.

Could Fred Thompson have any less charisma? It’s very annoying that he clears his throat every 3 seconds when he’s speaking. It gives away his anxiety, and he doesn’t come across well. I agree with him on the issues, but I don’t think he can win a general election against Hildebeast. Sorry.

This was McCain’s best performance so far. He looked Presidential. But he comes across as too serious, too pessimistic, and is lacking in the kind of hope and optimism that Americans like to see in their Presidential candidates.

Tancredo, Hunter, and Paul can pretty much pack it up and go home. Why are they even still around?


2,724 posted on 11/29/2007 5:48:57 PM PST by bdeaner ("...what they need to do is get Syria to get Hezbollah to stop doing this sh_t and it's over.")
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To: Molly K.
This may be the closest idea as to what was going on in the man's head. Usually Mitt is not a loss for words. It is clear he was grasping and at least his voice had the "appearance" (I listened, did not watch) of the "deer in the headlights".

What might be instructive is to see if there are any reputable "Morman blogs" out there, and what they say on this topic today, as I am sure many of the ears of LDS faithful perked up upon that question and Mitt's reply).

2,725 posted on 11/29/2007 6:30:09 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (McCain? Giuliani? Huckabee? Paul? Mitt? In November? Then AiT Takes a Hike: 3rd Party Conservative)
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To: bdeaner
I agree with your analysis. Huckabee is charming the masses, while McCain has had two good debate showings in a row. Now I have 60 days to figure out who will get my vote.

I never imagined being undecided this close to the FL primary.

2,726 posted on 11/29/2007 7:01:51 PM PST by NautiNurse (Plants are people too)
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To: floriduh voter
What a shitty bunch that CNN n HAS BECOME.
2,727 posted on 11/29/2007 9:13:54 PM PST by OKIEDOC (Kalifornia, a red state wannabe. I don't take Ex Lax I just read the New York Times.)
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To: OKIEDOC

Someone as CNN has a sense of humor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aai5vXsHlmM&feature=user


2,728 posted on 11/29/2007 9:16:11 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: UCANSEE2

Just for laughs.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhnYB7owwzo&feature=user


2,729 posted on 11/29/2007 9:17:59 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (- Attention all planets of the solar Federation--Secret plan codeword: Banana)
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To: Diogenesis; flaglady47
Technically, have never seen Romney nor his BOTS 'apologize' for anything. Instead, they evade, attack, lie, disassemble, buy off, and frankly --perhaps with the exception of Arkancide-- mimic the Clintons.

Exactly.

2,730 posted on 11/29/2007 9:25:07 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: penowa
Two words for Charlie Crist: Terri Schiavo
2,731 posted on 11/30/2007 2:36:21 AM PST by Lexinom (Build the fence and call China to account. GoHunter08.com)
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To: maica
Your prepositions do not make any sense.

This sentence is grammatically incorrect. Prepositions are words and, standing alone, do not make, or not make, sense. Perhaps you meant to say that my use of prepositions did not make sense. If this is the case, which usage of a preposition are you having a hard time with?

2,732 posted on 11/30/2007 9:06:27 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton
This sentence is grammatically incorrect.

The sentence on your home page is grammatically incorrect.

I really would like to know what you meant by:

Prokopton : One who has become aware that he is ignorant and of his need to pursue virtue is making progress

2,733 posted on 11/30/2007 9:23:09 AM PST by maica
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To: maica
I really would like to know what you meant by:

Prokopton : One who has become aware that he is ignorant and of his need to pursue virtue is making progress

In the philosophy of Stoicism, a Prokopton is one who is "making progress:(prokope), especially in being a Stoic.

In order to make progress as a Stoic one has to understand that they need to learn i.e. that they are, to one extent or another, ignorant. In Stoicism, especially the kind promoted by Epictetus, the goal or end (telos) is virtue, that should be pursued for it's own sake and not for the sake of any other thing. Therefore, to be a person "making progress" (Prokopton) one must also seek virtue.

Prokopton, then, is a person who seeks the truth understanding his own ignorance and seeks virtue as the highest goal.

If I had to give a condensed version of Stoicism it would be that happiness (eudaimonia) can be attained by living a life of reason. A life of reason for a Stoic means living virtuously and living according to nature. Living according to nature can be described as pursuing a course responding to ones own needs as well as performing ones duties as a social human being while always accepting ones own fate and putting no importance in things outside of one's own control.

Epictetuts is prominent as a Stoic Philosopher largely because many of his writings still exist. However, his philosophy takes much from earlier Stoic philosophers going back to Zeno (of the famous Zeno's paradox) 400 years before Epictetus.

All of that being said, I am not an expert on Stoicism or Philosophy. I like the way Stoicism dovetails with Christianity and believe much of it's tenets are wise. Prokopton, though, is just a screen name.

2,734 posted on 11/30/2007 10:58:05 AM PST by Prokopton
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2,735 posted on 12/03/2007 7:49:37 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture (Duncan Hunter / Alan Keyes 2008)
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