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ON DEADLINE: "Good Bill" vs "Bad Bill"
Yahoo!News ^ | November 27, 2007 | Ron Fournier

Posted on 11/28/2007 4:54:49 PM PST by Kaslin

DES MOINES, Iowa - As only he can do, Bill Clinton packed campaign venues across eastern Iowa and awed Democratic voters with a compelling case for his wife's candidacy. He was unscripted, in-depth and generous.

He also was long-winded, misleading and self-absorbed.

"Good Bill" and "Bad Bill" (his nickname among some aides) returned to the public arena Tuesday as Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton brandished her double-edged sword of a husband to fend off rivals in the Jan. 3 caucus fight.

"Ladies and gentlemen," Clinton told 400 Iowans at the start of his three-city swing, "I have had a great couple of days out working for Hillary."

In the next 10 minutes, he used the word "I" a total of 94 times and mentioned "Hillary" just seven times in an address that was as much about his legacy as it was about his wife's candidacy.

He told the crowd where he bought coffee that morning and where he ate breakfast.

He detailed his Thanksgiving Day guest list, and menu.

He defended his record as president, rewriting history along the way.

And he explained why his endorsement of a certain senator from New York should matter to people.

"I know what it takes to be president," he said, "and because of the life I've led since I've left office."

I, me and my. Oh, my.

Late in his 50-minute address, Clinton told the crowd that wealthy people like he and his wife should pay more taxes in times of war. "Even though I approved of Afghanistan and opposed Iraq from the beginning, I still resent that I was not asked or given the opportunity to support those soldiers," he said.

In truth, Clinton did not oppose the Iraq war from the start — at least not publicly.

If the former president secretly opposed the war but did not want to speak against a sitting president (as some of his aides now claim), what moral authority does he have now? And did he share his objections with his wife? She started out as a hawkish Democrat but is now appealing to anti-war voters.

The former president also put his own spin on the history of free-trade agreements under his watch, blaming President Bush for turning the accords into job-drainers. "Say want you want about my trade deals," he said, "but I enforced them."

Sen. Clinton benefited from her husband's verbal sleight of hand when he told a long story about a man who credited the former first lady for playing "an independent role in the Irish peace process."

While that may technically be true (Hillary Clinton did travel to Ireland and played host to the region's political players), an "independent role" is not the same as a "critical role," and Clinton didn't bother to explain the distinction.

You might be wondering — so what? Clinton won two presidential elections (and five terms as Arkansas governor) despite his "Slick Willy" reputation and habit of self-aggrandizement. He's not on the ballot next year.

His wife is. And she benefits from his popularity and rhetorical skills.

Clinton's stump speeches have always been remarkably accessible despite their length and complexity. One reason is that, while he talks without notes, Clinton's remarks are organized like a neat classroom outline.

For example, on Tuesday he had four big reasons why Democrats should back her:

• She has the best policy plans;

• She works well with Republicans;

• She's a problem solver;

• And she has the best range of experience.

For each of those reasons, he had a half dozen or so facts, anecdotes or arguments to support them — and each of those categories had several bullet points of their own.

Clinton navigated this mental outline with the same rhetorical crutches he used in Arkansas and Washington.

He would mention something in passing and promise to get back to it ("I'll say more about that in a minute"), and he always did.

He would "show" people what he meant rather than just "tell" them ("I'll give you just one example," he said before giving two or three).

He gave any impatient crowd members hope that the speech would soon end ("And, finally, let me say ... ," he said at least twice before launching into another topic).

What he left the crowds with was the assurance that his wife understands their plight. For a man who convinced so many voters that he felt their pain, this may be his most powerful calling card Clinton can leave to Iowa crowds and his wife.

"You need somebody who is strong, competent and has good vision, and never forgets what it's like to be you," Clinton said.

And, no, he wasn't talking about himself.


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1 posted on 11/28/2007 4:54:55 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Bill Clinton when campaigning for anyone but himself is the Kiss of Death. His record since 2000, except for a very few instances, is rotten. How appropriate that he may indeed be the Downfall of Hillary out campaigning for her.


2 posted on 11/28/2007 5:01:20 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Kaslin

Enough said !!!

3 posted on 11/28/2007 5:01:44 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: Kaslin

There’s gotta be a useful place in society for this guy. Hope he finds it someday.


4 posted on 11/28/2007 5:03:45 PM PST by Dagnabitt (Freedom for ourselves, and for our sons - And failing freedom, war -- Kipling)
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To: Kaslin
I still resent that I was not asked or given the opportunity to support those soldiers," he said.

Funny how Clintigula thinks the only way that he and others can "support those soldiers" is thru confiscatory tax policy. Says alot, doesnt it?

Also - to state the obvious - if he would like to "support those soldiers" he can write a check to the USO or the many other military support organizations that support our troops. Especially at this time of year.

5 posted on 11/28/2007 5:04:08 PM PST by capydick (Suit Up. Enter the Arena. Play the Game. Play Your Sport)
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To: Kaslin
Video of Bubba in Iowa--"I, I, I, me, me, me..."



Clinton draws crowds for wife, attention to self
6 posted on 11/28/2007 5:10:04 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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RUSH: There's another theory here is that I have evolved to explain Bill Clinton and his rampant lying. By the way, there is a distinction. In the nineties, when Clinton was out there telling whopper after whopper, the press just covered. They covered for him. In fact, they sat back and they did stories; they marveled at what a great liar he was. But now they're calling him on this, all the Drive-Bys. I mean, he's got some circling the wagons. You've got TIME Magazine. You've got ABC. Everybody is calling him on this. AP's Ron Fournier ripped him to shreds today in the "'Good Bill' vs. 'Bad Bill'" story. So that's different. That's going to come as a surprise. The Clintons are used to getting a pass on this kind of stuff from their buds in the Drive-Bys. But it also could be nothing more complicated than this: Maybe he's just panicked. If Hillary's defeated, he is defeated. If Hillary is defeated, his chance of getting back in the White House is fini. So he's out there stumping around doing all these things. Now, when you're in a panic state, you sometimes say impolitic things. But now that he's saying this twice in one day; it does appear to be calculated. (interruption) What, program observer? (interruption) Yes. (interruption) Mmm-hmm. A question is being asked: "Why would he want to go back to the White House?"

Snerdley says, "You know this guy better than himself. Why would he want to go back to the White House?" If he wants to go back White House, it's power, baby. It's power. He's a sixties generation anti-war guy. This is their last chance to remake the country. You can't remake the country in the image you want it to be making speeches in Abu Dhabi. You can't do that. He's got a lot of money now so he doesn't care about that. He doesn't care about popularity. He cares about popularity, but he thinks he's going to be more popular than ever if he gets back in the White House. That's ultimate power. That's what these people are about. I'm stunned, Mr. Snerdley, that you, of all people, don't understand the lure of power and what these people want to do with it. Besides, he won't actually have to be in the White House, which is a bonus. He will have power as though he's in the White House, but he will be all over the world. Hillary will make sure of that. You see if she loses, none of this happens, and he's just a former president without a future that involves the presidency or his wife having a future. Look, it's just a theory. It's just a theory to explain all this. Another theory is, he doesn't want to go to the White House; has no desire for any of this, he's happy catting around right now and the sooner Hillary loses and gets out of this race -- the more he can date, the more he can do, whatever, I don't know -- and is trying to sabotage her.



Clinton: Pathology or Sabotage?
7 posted on 11/28/2007 5:15:35 PM PST by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: capydick
"I still resent that I was not asked or given the opportunity to support those soldiers," he said.

What the heck did Bubba mean by that? I just can't figure out what he's referring to. Did someone muzzle him?

8 posted on 11/28/2007 5:17:04 PM PST by Aristotelian
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To: Kaslin

I’d love to see a televised panel of psychiatrists analyze the both of them. They are both off their nuts.


9 posted on 11/28/2007 5:19:24 PM PST by Aristotelian
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To: Aristotelian

It’s a bizarre comment, isnt it? The only thing I take away from it is he really thinks that the only way he can “support those soldiers” is thru higher taxes on his income. This comment provides a wider view into his belief that anything and everything begins and ends with government involvement.


10 posted on 11/28/2007 5:24:43 PM PST by capydick (Suit Up. Enter the Arena. Play the Game. Play Your Sport)
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To: Kaslin

“50-minute address”

Dang. Bubba talking about himself for 50 minutes is too much to take.


11 posted on 11/28/2007 5:26:04 PM PST by katieanna
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To: Kaslin
[He told the crowd where he bought coffee that morning and where he ate breakfast. . .detailed his Thanksgiving Day guest list, and menu.]

When Clinton’s oversize, unreadable memoirs appeared in stores—invariably discounted—I hefted one up and turned to the index. An acquaintance of mine was one of the top Clinton/Gore fund raisers for years and a visible party activist in the region of the country where I live. The guy’s name wasn’t in the book.

12 posted on 11/28/2007 5:45:00 PM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: Miss Didi

Hillary doesn’t CACKLE anymore and she doesn’t SHRIEK anymore either.....maybe after this, Bill won’t mention himself anymore......yeah right!!


13 posted on 11/28/2007 5:48:59 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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14 posted on 11/28/2007 5:49:57 PM PST by IPWGOP (I'm Linda Eddy... I'm the cartoonist for iowapresidentialwatch.com)
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To: capydick

When ever someone tells me they “don’t need Bush’s stinking tax cut” I always ask them if they are taking their mortgage deduction.
If they say yes, I ask them why. Also, I suggest they break out their check book and return the money to the treasury. Strange, none of them ever do.


15 posted on 11/28/2007 6:01:56 PM PST by Holicheese (1-21-09 Hillary starts to destroy America!)
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To: Kaslin

I wanna talk about me
Wanna talk about I
Wanna talk about number one
Oh my me my
What I think, what I like, what I know, what I want, what I see

Hillary Who?


16 posted on 11/28/2007 6:07:55 PM PST by Samwise (Fred doesn't suffer fools or the media. Did I repeat myself?)
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To: katieanna

5 minutes, no make that 5 seconds would be to much


17 posted on 11/28/2007 6:19:51 PM PST by Kaslin (Peace is the aftermath of victory)
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To: Miss Didi

I was listening to Rush during this segment


18 posted on 11/28/2007 6:29:09 PM PST by Kaslin (Peace is the aftermath of victory)
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To: Aristotelian
What the heck did Bubba mean by that? I just can't figure out what he's referring to. Did someone muzzle him?

Did nobody tell him he could overpay his taxes? Or send a check to the USO? Or to any of the charities that are involved with supporting the troops.

19 posted on 11/28/2007 6:37:17 PM PST by okie01
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Wasn’t it because of the Clinton defense spending cutbacks that our troops didn’t have enough body armor and reinforced vehicles? Didn’t Clinton spend the “peace dividend” (after the end of the Cold War) and neglect the military? Didn’t he reduce the size of our forces, so that we became stretched thin with our involvement in Iraq?
20 posted on 11/28/2007 6:41:55 PM PST by Aristotelian
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