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Leave Hooker in command of street sign
Rapid City Journal ^
| 29 nov 07
Posted on 11/29/2007 5:24:53 AM PST by rellimpank
The Rev. David Baer is out to save the town of Whitewoods honor from the shame of a street named Hooker.
Baer, a Lutheran pastor in the small northern Hills town, asked the Whitewood city council to rename the street that honors the Civil War general, Joseph Hooker. Baer finds it offensive because of the words connotation with prostitution.
We heard from many readers who found Baers sign-change campaign humorous, sad, silly and maybe even a little dirty-minded.
One man, who happens to be named John W. Hooker Jr., thinks it is Baer, not his family name, thats offensive. I think the Rev. David Baer should just get over it. Everything with the name of Hooker is only wrong in his mind.
Some Civil War buffs claim that Gen. Hookers last name is, indeed, the origin of the slang term for prostitutes. He had a reputation as a ladies man throughout his military career, and at least one historian described his Falmouth, Va., headquarters as a combination of a bar room and a brothel. One popular legend states that a band of prostitutes following his division was called Hookers Brigade or General Hookers Army.
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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: South Dakota
KEYWORDS: southdakota; whitewood
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To: rellimpank
Some Civil War buffs claim that Gen. Hookers last name is, indeed, the origin of the slang term for prostitutes.Too bad for them that the OED cites the usage of the term "hooker" for prostitutes at least as early as 1845.
I can't believe a clergyman believes that this is the best use of time in this day and age.
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:27:32 AM PST
by
wideawake
(Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
To: rellimpank; SmithL
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:29:38 AM PST
by
rellimpank
(--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
To: rellimpank
I guess the state of Tennessee is doomed to hell. Since the dawn of time the perennial candidate John J Hooker has run for all sorts of positions but was never elected.
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:31:19 AM PST
by
bert
(K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
To: rellimpank
Hartford Connecticut was founded by Thomas Hooker. The city has a parade in his honor every year.
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:31:22 AM PST
by
Man50D
(Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! Duncan Hunter is a Cosponsor.)
To: wideawake
-—as I mentioned on the other thread, “Crook City”—a wide spot in the road— is a few miles from Whitewood—wonder what the rev thinks about that??
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:32:06 AM PST
by
rellimpank
(--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
To: wideawake
‘Too bad for them that the OED cites the usage of the term “hooker” for prostitutes at least as early as 1845.’
And Gen. Hooker was around at that time, too, no?
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:35:24 AM PST
by
the OlLine Rebel
(Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
To: rellimpank
We heard from many readers who found Baers sign-change campaign humorous, sad, silly and maybe even a little dirty-minded. "Reverend" Baer should put his clothes back on and shut up.
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:35:39 AM PST
by
Gorzaloon
To: rellimpank
From Dictionary.com:
Word History: In his Personal Memoirs Ulysses S. Grant described Maj. Gen. Joseph Hooker as "a dangerous man ... not subordinate to his superiors." Hooker had his faults. He may indeed have been insubordinate; he was undoubtedly an erratic leader. But "Fighting Joe" Hooker is often accused of one thing he certainly did not do: he did not give his name to prostitutes. According to a popular story, the men under Hooker's command during the Civil War were a particularly wild bunch, and would spend much of their time in brothels when on leave. For this reason, as the story goes, prostitutes came to be known as hookers. However attractive this theory may be, it cannot be true. The word hooker with the sense "prostitute" is already recorded before the Civil War. As early as 1845 it is found in North Carolina, as reported in Norman Ellsworth Eliason's Tarheel Talk; an Historical Study of the English Language in North Carolina to 1860, published in 1956. It also appears in the second edition of John Russell Bartlett's Dictionary of Americanisms, published in 1859, where it is defined as "a strumpet, a sailor's trull." Etymologically, it is most likely that hooker is simply "one who hooks." The term portrays a prostitute as a person who hooks, or snares, clients.
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:36:42 AM PST
by
ConorMacNessa
(HM/2 USN, 3rd Bn. 5th Marines, RVN 1969. St. Michael the Archangel defend us in battle!)
To: rellimpank
If it's in Tennessee, I suggest they rename it:
Al Gore Is Truly Dedicated To The Cause Of Global Warming Avenue.
Then people can call it "Hooker Avenue" for short.
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:37:19 AM PST
by
Question Liberal Authority
(Al Gore and Osama Bin Laden have the same position on global warming, for the exact same reason.)
To: the OlLine Rebel
However, the term "hooker" was used in print as early as 1845, years before Hooker was a public figure
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:40:18 AM PST
by
Vaquero
(" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
To: rellimpank; wideawake
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:41:02 AM PST
by
PAR35
To: rellimpank
There is a well-known intersection near the US Embassy in Baghdad called "Hooker's Corner."
Thank goodness nobody gives a rat's about PC stuff around here.
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:41:26 AM PST
by
Allegra
(Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
To: wideawake
Hooker and his followers used to camp in and around federal triangle in DC.
DC hasn’t changed much; federal triangle and vicinity continues to be a heaven for prostitutes.
..and am not referring to the working girls of the evening.
To: the OlLine Rebel
And Gen. Hooker was around at that time, too, no? Hooker was a young officer in Seminole country at the time - I hardly think that his last name would have become so synonymous with prostitutes by the time that he was thirty that the word would be used in a local North Carolina newspaper matter-of-factly and without explanation as if it were a well-known term.
Hooker was an anonymous nobody in 1845.
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:44:36 AM PST
by
wideawake
(Why is it that so many self-proclaimed "Constitutionalists" know so little about the Constitution?)
To: rellimpank
the Rev has issues, maybe he should look into other names in Whitewood like...Remington Pl,Rawhide Rd,Crook City Rd,
Balloon Pl,Fillmore St,Bear Butte Rd,Bighorn Rd,Leisure St,Coyote Pl,Dane Church Rd,Eden Rd,Oyster Mountain Ln,Birch St,Crackerjack Rd,Easy St,....
..he has way too much time on his hands
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:46:25 AM PST
by
Doogle
(USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
To: RexFamilia
DC hasnt changed much; federal triangle and vicinity continues to be a heaven for prostitutes. ..and am not referring to the working girls of the evening.
Yeah...at least those working girls have some class! ;-)
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:46:35 AM PST
by
CT-Freeper
(Said the frequently disappointed but ever optimistic Mets fan.)
To: wideawake
Geesh, you guys can’t recognize a “wink” when you see 1!
But still, it’s a legitimate question - you’re only talking 15 years, and you’ve never heard “nobodies” (including teenagers) associated with certain things just in their locales?
;-)
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:48:41 AM PST
by
the OlLine Rebel
(Common sense is an uncommon virtue.)
To: ConorMacNessa
And yet, there is a magnificent statue to “Fighting Joe” atop a mighty steed outside the Senate entrance to the Massachusetts State House.
That entrance to the building is known as “The Hooker Entrance.”
Legend has it that, once upon a time, a former speaker of the state House of Reps espied several House pages painting Joe’s steed day glow orange - but only the horse’s testicles.
The way the story goes, the speaker had the same pages scrape off the paint - during midday so that hundreds and hundreds of people, passing through the “Hooker Entrance” would see them.
A fun thing to know and tell!
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:58:01 AM PST
by
RexBeach
("Americans never quit." Douglas MacArthur)
To: rellimpank
Santa can't say Ho Ho Ho anymore either.
Hooker's aren't offended. They're still walking the streets and they're not carrying protest signs!!
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posted on
11/29/2007 5:59:05 AM PST
by
Sacajaweau
("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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