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Bali: now the rich must pay (Watermelon barf alert!)
The Guardian ^
| November 30, 2007
| Nicholas Stern
Posted on 11/30/2007 10:11:04 PM PST by neverdem
A fair and global effort to tackle climate change needs wealthy states to take the lead in CO2 cuts
The Bali summit on climate change, which starts next week, will seek to lay the foundations for a new global agreement on reducing the greenhouse gas emissions that cause rising temperatures and climate change. Ambitious targets for emission reduction must be at the heart of that agreement, together with effective market mechanisms that encourage emission trading between countries, rich and poor. The problem of climate change involves a fundamental failure of markets: those who damage others by emitting greenhouse gases generally do not pay. Climate change is a result of the greatest market failure the world has seen.
The evidence on the seriousness of the risks from inaction is now overwhelming. We risk damage on a scale larger than the two world wars of the past century. The problem is global and the response must be collaboration on a global scale. The rich countries must lead the way in taking action. And in thinking about global action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, we must invoke three basic criteria. The first is effectiveness: the scale of the response must be commensurate with the challenge. This means setting a target for emission reduction that can keep the risks at acceptable levels.
The overall targets of 50% reductions in emissions by 2050 (relative to 1990) agreed at the G8 summit in Heiligendamm last June are essential if we are to have a reasonable chance of keeping temperature increases below 2C or 3C. While these targets involve strong action, they are not overambitious relative to the risk of failing to achieve them.
The second criterion is efficiency: we must keep down the costs of emission reduction, using prices or taxes wherever possible...
(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climatechange; g8summit; globalwarming; watermelons
Sir Nicholas Stern led the Stern review on climate change; today in London he is giving the Royal Economic Society public lecture on Climate Change, Ethics and the Economics of the Global Deal
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posted on
11/30/2007 10:11:06 PM PST
by
neverdem
To: neverdem
I heard there’s not enough parking in Bali for all the private jets that are being expected at this meeting....
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posted on
11/30/2007 10:27:28 PM PST
by
Tzimisce
(How Would Mohammed Vote? Hillary for President!)
To: Tzimisce
I heard theres not enough parking in Bali for all the private jets that are being expected at this meeting....
Thats some sweet creamy irony, huh? I'll borrow a quote from the Instapundit site; Global Warming, "I'll believe its a crisis when the people who say its a crisis start acting like its a crisis."
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posted on
11/30/2007 10:31:14 PM PST
by
kb2614
(Hell hath no fury than a bureaucrat scorned)
To: xcamel; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; knighthawk
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posted on
11/30/2007 10:42:56 PM PST
by
neverdem
(Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
To: neverdem
Allow me to translate this buffoon's message for ordinary folk.
The United States is to blame for an imaginary problem, and her citizens must be slapped repeatedly with taxes and very high price floors on energy, the profits of which will ultimately end up in the pockets of a few rich people. Oh, and abolish the United States government. We need a global government.
Oh, and by the way, women and minorities will be hardest hit.
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posted on
11/30/2007 10:44:28 PM PST
by
rabscuttle385
(This tagline intentionally left blank.)
To: neverdem
Never has a scam made so many so wealthy and so influential in so short a time.
"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus
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posted on
11/30/2007 10:51:59 PM PST
by
goldstategop
(In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
To: neverdem
relative to 1990 Just like they did with Kyoto, they use 1990 as a benchmark. A year chosen specifically to help Germany and Russia and to screw with the US.
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posted on
11/30/2007 10:58:39 PM PST
by
denydenydeny
(Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
To: neverdem
A fair and global effort to tackle climate change needs wealthy states to take the lead in CO2 cuts If you can read between the lines, this, again, is just like Kyoto. I predict that the document that comes out of this conference will once again largely exempt China and Mexico while clobbering the USA.
The only good thing to come out of this will be the schadenfreude of watching the Democratic Congress have to vote down the treaty. If they ratify if, they will lose Congress, and they know it.
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posted on
11/30/2007 11:08:02 PM PST
by
denydenydeny
(Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
To: neverdem
We’ve paid our carbon tax. The Saudis are holding it in escrow, and will surrender $1,000,000,000,000 on demand, per the ratified arrangement.
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posted on
11/30/2007 11:31:15 PM PST
by
dr_lew
To: neverdem
Bali? The place where they don’t have enough room for all the private jets?
Bali? The place that thousands of UN staffers will fly to, spending $4,700 to $10,000 of (mostly American) tax money on an unnecessary trip that spews tons of carbon into the air?
That Bali? Yeah, go ahead and lecture us, pinheads. It’s like hearing a guy gas on about the evils of drink as he walks out of the liquor store with an armful of whiskey bottles.
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posted on
12/01/2007 12:39:16 AM PST
by
Mr. Silverback
(Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
To: kb2614
I said to my mail man the other day, “If I really believed something I was doing would put Times Square underwater in 20 years, I would stop doing it right now.”
In the elites’ world, my SUV submerges New York, but their Gulfstreams don’t.
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posted on
12/01/2007 12:41:07 AM PST
by
Mr. Silverback
(Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
To: neverdem
"
Bali: now the rich must pay"This is what this has always been about. There is absolutely no concern about climate because those who foment this nonsense know that humanity has zero impact on the climate. It is a shakedown, pure and simple
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posted on
12/01/2007 3:39:36 AM PST
by
muir_redwoods
(Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
To: Mr. Silverback
Is Bali one of those sex destination hot spots? Or are they there for the fishing?
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posted on
12/01/2007 3:47:33 AM PST
by
Trteamer
( (Eat Meat, Wear Fur, Own Guns, FReep Leftists, Drive an SUV, Drill A.N.W.R., Drill the Gulf, Vote)
To: neverdem
Not Enough Parking for Private Jets Going to UN Climate Conference
By Noel Sheppard
Created 2007-11-23 16:32
As climate alarmists from all over the world head to Bali to talk about the sacrifices regular folks have to make to save the planet from global warming, it seems certain media will ignore all the private jets clogging the tiny airport.
As if it’s not enough that the United Nations Climate Change Conference [1] is being held at what NewsBusters reported [1] as "a truly beautiful tropical island paradise," the management of the nearby airport has issued a warning to attendees that they are going to have to park their private jets somewhere else.
I kid you not.
As reported [2] by Bali Discovery Tours on November 3 (emphasis added):
Tempo Interaktif reports that Angkasa Pura - the management of Bali's Ngurah Rai International Airport are concerned that the large number of additional private charter flights expected in Bali during the UN Conference on Climate Change (UNFCCC) December 3-15, 2007, will exceed the carrying capacity of apron areas. To meet the added demand for aircraft storage officials are allocating "parking space" at other airports in Indonesia.
The operational manager for Bali's Airport, Azjar Effendi, says his 3 parking areas can only accommodate 15 planes, which means that some of the jets used by VIP delegations will only be allowed to disembark and embark their planes in Bali with parking provided at airports in Surabaya, Lombok, Jakarta and Makassar.
Talk about your really inconvenient truths.
Links:
[1] http://unfccc.int/2860.php
[2] http://www.balidiscovery.com/messages/message.asp?Id=4112
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posted on
12/01/2007 5:10:48 AM PST
by
Leisler
(RNC, RINO National Committee. Always was, always will be.)
To: Beowulf; Defendingliberty
~~Anthropogenic Global Warming ping~~
To: texianyankee; JayB; markman46; palmer; Bahbah; Paradox; FOG724; Mike Darancette; GreenFreeper; ...
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posted on
12/01/2007 3:37:12 PM PST
by
Tolerance Sucks Rocks
(Repeal the Terrible Two - the 16th and 17th Amendments. Sink LOST! Stop SPP!)
To: Trteamer
Is Bali one of those sex destination hot spots? Or are they there for the fishing? I don't think it's a sex tourism location, though it does have some party atmospere to it, lots of clubs and such. That's why Al Qaida hit it, because they knew they could hit a club and kill loads of Aussies and other Westerners.
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posted on
12/01/2007 5:43:01 PM PST
by
Mr. Silverback
(Support Scouting: Raising boys to be strong men and politically incorrect at the same time.)
To: neverdem
It all boils down to this:
If what the IPCC report says is true than it is already way too late. It would be impossible to lower annual worldwide CO2 production by 50% of 1990 levels by 2050 unless the developed world reverts back to a stone age culture. CO2 concentrations are not going down any time soon. It surely will not work by giving China money to build more coal fired generating plants. We had better find a way to protect this country from any downside.
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