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Huckabee Hedges on Aid for Illegals (Must read)
ABC News ^ | December 2, 2007 | Teddy Davis

Posted on 12/02/2007 12:10:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

New Iowa Leader Criticized by for Indecision on Federal Student Aid.

Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, the former Arkansas governor who backed in-state tuition for the children of illegal immigrants, hedged Sunday on whether illegal immigrants who have gone to school in the United States should become eligible for federal student aid such as Pell grants and subsidized federal student loans.

"I'm not sure that I would support that," Huckabee told ABC News, "it was a different program in Arkansas."

Huckabee's failure to take a clear position on federal student aid while appearing on ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" drew swift rebukes from two Republican rivals.

"Gov. Romney does not support providing federal taxpayer-funded student aid intended for legal residents going to illegal immigrants," Romney spokesman Kevin Madden told ABC News. "Mike Huckabee's position [in Arkansas] that taxpayer dollars meant for students who are legal residents should also be made available to illegal immigrants puts him squarely at odds with the American taxpayer."

Echoing a line that Romney used against Huckabee in last week's CNN/YouTube debate, Madden added, "Mike Huckabee needs to understand that it's not his money. It's the taxpayers' money."

Huckabee's indecision on federal student aid was also criticized by the campaign of former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson.

"Children who are born in this country are U.S. citizens and entitled to the privileges of citizenship," said Thompson spokeswoman Karen Hanretty. "Those in our country illegally are not. It's that simple."

Huckabee appeared on "This Week" on the same day that a highly respected poll showed him as the new Republican leader in Iowa.

Huckabee leads the GOP field with 29 percent support, according to a Des Moines Register poll released Sunday. Romney has 24 percent, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani has 13 percent, and Thompson has 9 percent. The Iowa Republican Caucuses take place on Jan. 3.

In-state tuition for illegal immigrants was never enacted in Arkansas. But Huckabee's rivals believe that his momentum in Iowa can be stopped once his views on public benefits for the children of illegal immigrants become more widely known.

Asked on "This Week" about his Arkansas record, the former Baptist minister said, "You don't punish a child because a parent committed a crime, or committed a sin, you just don't do it."

Huckabee did not rule out that his principle might extend to the federal level.

He suggested, however, that he might view state and federal benefit questions differently.

"It's the difference between being punished and being rewarded," said Huckabee. ". . . the point in Arkansas was, we had kids who had been in our schools, by law. And to simply shut them out of any additional educational advancement, to me, seemed not only in their worst interests, but ours, as well as the state's."


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Remind me: Are Huckabee and Giuliani democrats or republicans? I need a scorecard, can someone e-mail me one?
1 posted on 12/02/2007 12:10:09 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Flip flop flip flop. Fred’s got you by the balls now, Huckleberry.


2 posted on 12/02/2007 12:11:56 PM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Politicalmom; jellybean; Jim Robinson; lesser_satan; ejonesie22; papasmurf

Ping!


3 posted on 12/02/2007 12:12:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Huckabee is a tool of Giuliani’s. Iowa please wake up, you have better choices than either of them.


4 posted on 12/02/2007 12:16:39 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“You don’t punish a child because a parent committed a crime, or committed a sin, you just don’t do it.”

Does that principle extend to other criminals, or are illegals a protected criminal class to Huckabee?

If Huckabee is to be consistent in his ethics (I know, I know, fat chance) then we can’t send any parents to prison, regardless of how heinous their crime, because that is “punishing” their children.


5 posted on 12/02/2007 12:17:30 PM PST by LadyNavyVet (Navy 38, Army 3! Yes, I'm gloating.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Huckster must win Iowa to stop Romney. After that , Huckster will fade away because he has no money .

If Romney wins Iowa , he will have good momentum and it will be very hard to defeat him in other states .


6 posted on 12/02/2007 12:19:48 PM PST by Neu Pragmatist (Unite against Rudy ! - Vote Thompson ! - It's the only way to beat Hillary !)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Remind me: Are Huckabee and Giuliani democrats or republicans? I need a scorecard, can someone e-mail me one? 1 posted on 12/02/2007 3:10:09 PM EST by 2ndDivisionVet

He was for it before he was against it?

Now he's trying to decide if he really was against it when he was for it.

7 posted on 12/02/2007 12:20:52 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Nathan Zachary
The Dope from Hope exposed
8 posted on 12/02/2007 12:22:08 PM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Huckabee, Romney and Giuliani, and to some degree McCain are all con-men. They will tell you what they think you want to hear, knowing damn good and well, they will do exactly what they want once in office.

There is only one true “Reagan conservative” and that Ladies and Gentlemen is FRED THOMPSON.

By the way, to answer your question, they cannot be republicans and promote the stands they have take in the past. They are RINOS pure and simple! When Republicans are Republicans, they don’t vote for the crap suggested by democRATS. They fight them every step of the way.

It is hilarious to me that the MSM still, after all this time, think the reason dems took control in 2006 is because of the war. You and I and all true Conservatives know it was because of the illegal immigration mess the Congress and the President has put us in. SECURITY, whether national or protecting our own borders, will be the number one issue in the fall. FRED has a very detailed and realistic plan to stop it. It is called “attrition.”

FRED THOMPSON should be the choice for all “Regan Conservatives.”

9 posted on 12/02/2007 12:23:02 PM PST by Bobbisox (ALL AMERICAN "LAZY " GRANDMA FREEPER. A LOYAL and DEDICATED FredHEAD!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Remind me: Are Huckabee and Giuliani democrats or republicans? I need a scorecard, can someone e-mail me one?”

They are:

Whores

Liars

Open borders

Maybe they are Wiccans : )


10 posted on 12/02/2007 12:23:14 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As near as I can tell, the only first-rung GOP candidate who has come down on the right side of the whole immigration mess is Fred Thompson. Correct me if I’m wrong.


11 posted on 12/02/2007 12:23:47 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
Huckster must win Iowa to stop Romney.

Exactly. This is as much a Giuliani strategy as it is Huckabee's. If Iowa thinks Tax Hike Mike is their answer to Rudy they're sadly mistaken.

12 posted on 12/02/2007 12:23:59 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Remind me: Are Huckabee and Giuliani democrats or republicans? I need a scorecard, can someone e-mail me one?”

Heck, they can’t even decide what they are.


13 posted on 12/02/2007 12:24:10 PM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: 3AngelaD

You are correct. Here’s the link:

http://www.fred08.com/virtual/Immigration.aspx


14 posted on 12/02/2007 12:25:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; Eric Blair 2084; All

“”I’m not sure that I would support that,” Huckabee told ABC News, “it was a different program in Arkansas.”

Lying, parsing POS!!


15 posted on 12/02/2007 12:26:10 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Wait a minute. You rabid Thompson supporters have been saying that the MSM is behind Huckabee getting elected. Now you show an article that has the MSM painting Huckabee in a bad light.

The MSM must really be inconsistent conspirators.

It is like I’ve been telling folks all along. The press reports whatever gets them read. Now that Huckabee leads, they are more likely to report negatives on him because it gets his detractors to read. Seems to me you folks are now being the pawns of the MSM you have always claimed Huckabee’s supporters were.

This is trully comical.


16 posted on 12/02/2007 12:26:33 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: LadyNavyVet; 2ndDivisionVet

Somebody needs to show a video of Mike Huckabee, fat with Tyson and Walmart money, pandering to the illegal crowd at a La Raza Convention.


17 posted on 12/02/2007 12:26:48 PM PST by mission9 (It ain't bragging if you can do it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey Huck, once the “kid” turns 18, he’s a criminal if he doesn’t go home where he belongs. You tried to reward criminals.


18 posted on 12/02/2007 12:29:13 PM PST by SUSSA
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To: Sola Veritas

“The MSM must really be inconsistent conspirators.”

Yes, as Hillary is finding out to her chagrin.


19 posted on 12/02/2007 12:30:14 PM PST by LadyNavyVet (Navy 38, Army 3! Yes, I'm gloating.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
“”I’m not sure that I would support that,” Huckabee told ABC News, “it was a different program in Arkansas.”

Lying, parsing POS!! 15 posted on 12/02/2007 3:26:10 PM EST by stephenjohnbanker

And they say he's from Hope, Arkansas?

20 posted on 12/02/2007 12:31:56 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Huckabee was all for pulling our troops out of Iraq, when he appeared on the “first question and answer session” conducted by the media. Now he’s for staying in Iraq, now that things have settled down and we’re making headway and allowing the Iraqs to take much of their burden of freedom. I don’t trust a flip flopper and it looks like he has that tendency.


21 posted on 12/02/2007 12:32:23 PM PST by tillacum
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To: Sola Veritas

The MSM will attack any Pubbie who is gaining traction in the race. They hate them all.


22 posted on 12/02/2007 12:33:34 PM PST by gpapa
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

“And they say he’s from Hope, Arkansas?”

Yes, and we Hope he is exposed soon!


23 posted on 12/02/2007 12:34:32 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Sola Veritas

“Wait a minute. You rabid Thompson supporters have been saying that the MSM is behind Huckabee getting elected.”

Dead wrong!!!!

We have been saying that they want a Rudy/Huckster ticket so the MSM can destroy them before the election.


24 posted on 12/02/2007 12:37:05 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; mission9

Does he do a mean Arkansalsa or just the musical chairs Macarena act?


25 posted on 12/02/2007 12:37:28 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Nathan Zachary

I listened to the exchange. Huckabee would not commit to going further than his nodrugsandalcohol+academicmeritgetsyoumoneyforcollege program.

The problem is his philosophical “we can’t punish children of illegals” and his steps taken backing that with taxpayer dollars.

With that philosophy, any entitlement this country has available must be granted to the “child of the illegal” otherwise, based on his own guiding principal, it is a punishment.

He is toast. He has boxed himself in. He is a ball atop a tee a n d i f t h e w i n d i s r i g h t? yes. yes it appears it is. I expect my man Fred to lean back and drive him into “former presidential candidate” status.


26 posted on 12/02/2007 12:38:35 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

“Does he do a mean Arkansalsa or just the musical chairs Macarena act?”

LMBO!!


27 posted on 12/02/2007 12:41:17 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
I am wondering...WHY on earth should the candidates of BOTH parties be kneck-deep in graft and corruption from Arkansas? Who would want to promote that scenario for a U.S. presidential election and why?

Don't the people of Arkansas ever get tired of this?

28 posted on 12/02/2007 12:43:35 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Nathan Zachary
""You don't punish a child because a parent committed a crime..."

Why do you reward a child at the expense of taxpayers because a parent committed a crime?

29 posted on 12/02/2007 12:47:58 PM PST by penowa
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To: 3AngelaD
As near as I can tell, the only first-rung GOP candidate who has come down on the right side of the whole immigration mess is Fred Thompson. Correct me if I’m wrong.

Romney is on the right side of the immigration mess. In fact, he's been more forceful than Fred on the issue of whether illegal aliens should be entitled to special breaks, tuition assistance, and other taxpayer funded benefits.

Romney adamantly insists that illegal aliens should NOT be provided special breaks, tuition assistance, and other taxpayer funded benefits. He's a hard-headed businessman who knows that the more government tries to be "compassionate" with tax monies, the more misery and inefficiency it creates. H knows that if the government gives special breaks and privileges to illegal aliens and their children it will only encourage MORE illegal immigration and waste--which harms everyone.

Romney HATES to see money get wasted. When he took over the Salt Lake Olympics the FIRST thing he did was implement an austere budget and hold everybody--including himself--to it. For example, fancy catered meals for planning officials were eliminated. He mandated that nothing fancier than pizza would be ordered and paid for with Olympic funds. He turned a bankrupt Olympics into one of the most profitable Olympics in history.

For making such hard-headed, frugal, sensible decisions about "other people's money" Romney has been pilloried in the MSM for being mean, uncompassionate, and stingy.

Fred has not been subjected to any similar attacks, although he does seem to be on the same side of the issue as Romney.

30 posted on 12/02/2007 12:48:08 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

” am wondering...WHY on earth should the candidates of BOTH parties be kneck-deep in graft and corruption from Arkansas? Who would want to promote that scenario for a U.S. presidential election and why?
Don’t the people of Arkansas ever get tired of this?”

I dunno.....I for one am sure tired of it : )


31 posted on 12/02/2007 12:48:21 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: JCEccles

Yeah, Romney was real fiscally conservative imposing socialized medicine in MA.

His choices of liberal judges sure worked well, too, if you like the Ruth Bader Ginsburg types.

His joining the NRA two weeks before running for office was real swell, too.


32 posted on 12/02/2007 12:52:00 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian
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To: JCEccles

“Romney is on the right side of the immigration mess.”

No proven history of same. Beware politicians from my corrupt home state.


33 posted on 12/02/2007 12:52:30 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Well it isn’t working then, and I will point out to you that the more you fanatics* or other candidates resort to attack against Huckabee, you just push moral conservatives more solidly into his camp.

From Rasmussent today:

“Rudy Giuliani continues to lead nationwide with 22% support, but his lead is shrinking. Surging Mike Huckabee now attracts 17% of Likely Republican Primary Voters nationwide. Fred Thompson and John McCain each earn 14% while Mitt Romney is close behind at 11%. Ron Paul attracts 6% of Likely Republican Primary voters nationwide and no other Republican candidate reaches 2%.”

*I don’t have any problem with someone supporting another candidate. It took me a long time to finally settle on Huckabee. However, I’m not fanatical in my support of him and can see his weaknesses and faults. There are other fine candidates like Thompson and Hunter that I would gladly vote for in a general election - but their supporters are becoming so entrenched that they can’t deal with the possibility that their guy(s) might not get the nomination and will stoop to doing or saying anything (even distortions and outright lies) to attempt to get that person elected. Kamakazee tactics.


34 posted on 12/02/2007 12:52:59 PM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; penowa

It would be easier and less expensive just to send Tyson (and the governor) to Mexico.


35 posted on 12/02/2007 12:53:48 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"You don't punish a child because a parent committed a crime, or committed a sin, you just don't do it."

You don't punish the US taxpayer --- making them pay for education/healthcare of illegals --- just because the US government refuses to enforce the border. You just don't.

36 posted on 12/02/2007 12:54:22 PM PST by samtheman
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To: Sola Veritas

Sola hi,

I listed to all MSM interviews whereever the candidates are discussing issues.

MSM opinion is meaningless, including the neocon orgy at Fox News.

Discussion regarding MSM strategy takes away from discussing who is the best qualified to lead this country and secure freedom and liberty for future generations (Fred Thompson). To me that is a waste.

No one is looking out for conservatives, except conservatives. ...and I will take a rare moment to thank Jim Robinson for this sight, a true gift.


37 posted on 12/02/2007 12:56:01 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: Sola Veritas

ANY OPEN BORDERS CANDIDATE THIS TIME AROUND WILL FINISH OFF THE USA. No sale!


38 posted on 12/02/2007 12:56:22 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"It's the difference between being punished and being rewarded," said Huckabee
There's a difference between spending your own money the way you want to and spending my money the way you want to. Spend your own damn money, you freaking socialist pig, and keep your hands off mine.

Oh, I forgot. You have no money.

39 posted on 12/02/2007 12:56:58 PM PST by samtheman
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

“It would be easier and less expensive just to send Tyson (and the governor) to Mexico”

They aren’t that stupid : )


40 posted on 12/02/2007 12:57:10 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: penowa; samtheman

see 26, Fred could end Huckabee’s run this week as a result of that interview/insane position.


41 posted on 12/02/2007 12:59:13 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: Bobbisox
There is only one true “Reagan conservative” and that Ladies and Gentlemen is FRED THOMPSON.
That's why he gets my vote.
42 posted on 12/02/2007 12:59:16 PM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
I dunno.....I for one am sure tired of it : )
31 posted on 12/02/2007 3:48:21 PM EST by stephenjohnbanker

Maybe jibjab could get him dancing the musical chairs Macarena on the flip-flop policy positions.

43 posted on 12/02/2007 1:01:06 PM PST by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Sola Veritas
"Well it isn’t working then, and I will point out to you that the more you fanatics* or other candidates resort to attack against Huckabee, you just push moral conservatives more solidly into his camp."

You keep using the term "moral conservatives" in these threads. Do you mean so-called "values voters" or "social conservatives" or what? Do you really think that once these voters hear about Mike "Open Borders for Jesus" Huckabee's immigration, amnesty and tax-hike record they'll love him even more?! Is that your contention?! Based on what?

44 posted on 12/02/2007 1:01:49 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: Eddie01
I expect my man Fred to lean back and drive him into “former presidential candidate” status.
We've all been expecting a lot of Fred lately. I remain patient, and hopeful, but it's getting past time for him to step up to the plate and hit a home run. Do it now Fred, or it might just be a "forever hold your piece" situation.
45 posted on 12/02/2007 1:02:11 PM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Bobbisox
FRED THOMPSON should be the choice for all “Regan Conservatives.

there, fixed it.

46 posted on 12/02/2007 1:04:28 PM PST by Eddie01
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

LOL!


47 posted on 12/02/2007 1:05:25 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>>Giuliani democrat or republican?

Yes


48 posted on 12/02/2007 1:05:52 PM PST by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Calpernia

“>>>Giuliani democrat or republican?

Yes”

LMAO!!


49 posted on 12/02/2007 1:08:37 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Sola Veritas

“Kamikaze tactics”

It is neither fanatacism nor Kamikaze tactics to scrutinize the record of a candidate who has thus far had virtually zero scrutiny and who is liberal on so many issues that are essential to victory favor a GOP candidate. Further, he is being pushed by the MSM elites, which is a huge red flag for conservatives. Reagan never got the velvet glove treatment from the drive-by media only the “back of the hand” treatment. That in itself is an indication of a candidate’s conservative bona fides.

That said, I take back what I said last tonight about Huckabee being principled (although wrong) in his stand in favor of free taxpayer funded tuition for illegals, since he is now waffling on it. His friend Dick Morris must have polled this and showed that he is going to take a major hit on this. I could have told him that without the poll. Waffling on it ain’t gonna work. He has already said “My soul won’t let me do it.” Has his soul had a change of heart? Believe me, the voters in this poll (DM and Ras) are gonna have a change of heart about Huck too.


50 posted on 12/02/2007 1:11:43 PM PST by Brices Crossroads
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