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UN says USA must be part of climate change agreement
YAHOO ^ | 12/2/07 | Michael Casey

Posted on 12/02/2007 2:18:35 PM PST by ricks_place

BALI, Indonesia - World powers meeting at a UN climate change conference in Indonesia this week won't be able to craft a meaningful plan to address global warming without co-operation from the United States, the top emitter of greenhouse gases, the UN's climate chief said Sunday.

The United States refused to sign the last major international treaty on reducing greenhouse gases, undermining its effectiveness.

Delegates from 190 countries will gather on the resort island of Bali on Monday for one of the largest global warming conferences ever, bringing together about 10,000 people including Hollywood luminaries, former vice-president Al Gore, fishermen and drought-stricken farmers for two weeks of marathon discussions.

World leaders will attempt to launch negotiations that could lead to a replacement for the Kyoto Protocol, which expires in 2012. Among the most contentious issues will be whether emission cuts should be mandatory or voluntary and how to help the world's poorest countries adapt to a warmer climate.

Yvo de Boer, general secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, said the role of the United States "would be critical" in the discussions and that delegates must come up with a roadmap that's embraced by Washington.

"To design a long-term response to climate change that does not include the world's largest emitter and the world's largest economy just would not make any sense," he told reporters.

The United States, which along with Australia refused to sign the Kyoto Protocol, said ahead of the Bali talks that it was eager to launch negotiations, but has been among industrialized countries leading a campaign against mandatory emission cuts.

But now the United States finds itself isolated at the conference, given that Australian Prime Minister-elect Kevin Rudd, whose party swept to power in general elections just one week ago, immediately put signing the Kyoto pact at the top of his international agenda.

President Bush, trying to fend off charges that America is not doing enough, said this week that a final Energy Department report showed American emissions of carbon dioxide, a leading greenhouse gas, declined by 1.5 per cent last year while the U.S. economy grew.

"Energy security and climate change are two of the important challenges of our time. The United States takes these challenges seriously," he said.

The meeting on Bali comes after a Nobel Prize-winning UN network of scientists issued a report concluding the level of carbon and other heat-trapping "greenhouse gas" emissions must be stabilized by 2015 and decline from there to stave off the worst effects of climate change.

The solutions are within reach, they said, from investing in renewable energy to improving energy efficiency. Without action, temperatures will rise, resulting in droughts, severe weather, dying species and other consequences, they said.

"It is already affecting the livelihoods of people we work with," said Dr. Charles Ehrhart, Climate Change Co-ordinator for CARE International, citing concerns over food security and access to water. "It is contributing to tensions within and between communities."

The 1997 Kyoto pact required 36 industrial countries to reduce carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping gasses but it set relatively low emissions reduction targets: about a five per cent required drop in the levels recorded in 1990 by 2012.

A new agreement must be concluded within two years to ensure a smooth, uninterrupted transition.

De Boer said countries need to act now but acknowledged that anyone who expects the Bali meeting to result in specific targets or long-term solutions "will leave disappointed."

Industrialized countries, which have pumped the lion's share of greenhouses gases into the atmosphere to date, should take the lead in reducing emissions, he said. Developing countries like China, the world's second biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, may not be required to cut their emissions immediately but should commit slowing the growth of carbon dioxide and other heat trapping gases.

At best, analysts believe, Bali could lead to an agreement in about two years time with the United States under a new administration, the Europeans and other industrial nations committing to deepening blanket emissions cuts. And they say major developing countries could agree to enshrine some national policies - China's auto emission standards, for example, or energy-efficiency targets for power plants - as international obligations.


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KEYWORDS: carboncult; charlesehrhart; climatechange; deboer; globalhoaxing; globalwarming; gorebalism; greenreligion; ipcc; kyoto; unitednations; unoutofus; uselessnations; usoutofun; yvodeboer
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US must not be part of this UN monstrosity!
1 posted on 12/02/2007 2:18:36 PM PST by ricks_place
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To: ricks_place

Give them the single finger salute.


2 posted on 12/02/2007 2:21:17 PM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: ricks_place

They could have had us as part of the Kyoto accord if they’d only wanted to do so instead of tweaking our nose.


3 posted on 12/02/2007 2:21:38 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: ricks_place

USA says that UN can go straight to hell.


4 posted on 12/02/2007 2:22:13 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (“We must not forget that there is a war on and our troops are in the thick of it!” --Duncan Hunter)
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To: ricks_place
UN says USA must be part of climate change agreement

And the UN can kiss our ass.

5 posted on 12/02/2007 2:22:31 PM PST by GOP Poet
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To: ricks_place
"address global warming without co-operation from the United States China, the top emitter of greenhouse gases," There - fixed it.
6 posted on 12/02/2007 2:24:02 PM PST by ASOC
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To: ricks_place
Kyoto is nothing more than a $hakedown.

The signatories are currently being fined Billon$, payable to the UN of course.

7 posted on 12/02/2007 2:25:01 PM PST by JOAT
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To: ricks_place
"The United States refused to sign the last major international treaty on reducing greenhouse gases"

More specifically, what is never brought up by all the lying Demagogues and MSM hacks, is that the US Senate declined, with a vote of 95-0, even to bring the "Kyoto Treaty" forward for a formal ratification vote and Bill, Hillary and Albore made not even the faintest efforts to have the treaty ratified. In other words, Kyoto was DOA in the US Senate because it was recognized, on a bi-partisan basis, to be a TURKEY concocted by IMBECILES.
8 posted on 12/02/2007 2:25:54 PM PST by Enchante (Democrat terror-fighting motto: "BLEAT - CHEAT - RETREAT - DEFEAT - REPEAT")
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To: ricks_place
Ping! Hobble the US economy Using the Liberal Whackos in Country ( We got em half beat with WTO!).

These jet set Bali Lard Butts are not only presumptuous, they are idiotic. They have no idea who produces the "most" geenhouse gasses.

But it's BUSHES FAULT!LOL

Is Dubyah running in 2008?

9 posted on 12/02/2007 2:26:15 PM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: ricks_place

10 posted on 12/02/2007 2:27:38 PM PST by B Knotts (Tancredo '08!)
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To: ricks_place
But now the United States finds itself isolated at the conference, given that Australian Prime Minister-elect Kevin Rudd, whose party swept to power in general elections just one week ago, immediately put signing the Kyoto pact at the top of his international agenda.

A little preview of headlines in late 2008 when the She-beast sweeps to power, Chavez-style...

11 posted on 12/02/2007 2:28:13 PM PST by JOAT
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To: ricks_place

Islamonazis want to cut folks heads off and impose Sharia law everywhere and all some can do is wring their hands about climate change.. What a bunch of ninnies!


12 posted on 12/02/2007 2:28:21 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: ricks_place
"It is already affecting the livelihoods of people we work with," said Dr. Charles Ehrhart, Climate Change Co-ordinator for CARE International, citing concerns over food security and access to water. "It is contributing to tensions within and between communities."

So, if I read this correctly, there are no actual warming effects yet. Just people "concerned" and "tense" about it.

Industrialized countries, which have pumped the lion's share of greenhouses gases into the atmosphere to date, should take the lead in reducing emissions, he said. Developing countries like China, the world's second biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, may not be required to cut their emissions immediately but should commit slowing the growth of carbon dioxide and other heat trapping gases.

So China (which will become the world's largest emitter of greenhouse gases in 2010, has no requiremnt to reduce emissions until some vague, unspecified period in the future.

There is no way that Congress will ratify this. None.

13 posted on 12/02/2007 2:28:38 PM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: ricks_place

They are all flying to Bali, in jet aircraft I assume, which consume fossil fuels, and once there plan to tell us what to do? Had they decided to conduct this meeting through tele-conferencing or TV, or paddled to their luxurious Bali resort in dugout canoes, I might have a little more belief in their good faith. And we are no doubt paying for the party.


14 posted on 12/02/2007 2:28:42 PM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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A member of Green Peace activist sets up a giant thermometer as a symbol of global warming during their campaign in Nusa Dua, Bali, Indonesia, Sunday, Dec. 2, 2007. World leaders launch marathon negotiations Monday on how to fight global warming, which left unchecked could cause devastating sea level rises, send millions further into poverty and lead to the mass extinction of plants and animals. (AP Photo/Firdia Lisnawati)



15 posted on 12/02/2007 2:29:17 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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An armed Indonesian policeman stands guard in front of a U.N. Climate Change Conference billboard in Nusa Dua, Bali island December 2, 2007. Delegates from about 190 nations gathered in Bali on Sunday to try to build on a "fragile understanding" that the fight against global warming needs to be expanded to all nations with a deal in 2009. REUTERS/Murdani Usman (INDONESIA)


16 posted on 12/02/2007 2:29:59 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: B Knotts

Throw the UN out of NY and get rid of a lot of hot air.


17 posted on 12/02/2007 2:30:21 PM PST by mimaw
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To: ricks_place

The UN and their Kyoto fiasco need cash to keep this nonsense going.


18 posted on 12/02/2007 2:31:06 PM PST by I got the rope
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To: ricks_place
bringing together about 10,000 people including Hollywood luminaries, former vice-president Al Gore, fishermen and drought-stricken farmers for two weeks of marathon discussions.

The grand-daddy of all granfalloons. What rubbish.

19 posted on 12/02/2007 2:31:15 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: ricks_place

UN must recognize the sovreignity of the US government.


20 posted on 12/02/2007 2:31:27 PM PST by trimom
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To: ricks_place

Yea what are they gonna do if we say no? Sanctions against us. Let me /cry some. Oh noes.


21 posted on 12/02/2007 2:34:53 PM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: denydenydeny
So, if I read this correctly, there are no actual warming effects yet. Just people "concerned" and "tense" about it.

Correct. Just as the hunger nazis consider you one of the "hungry in America" if you even think about not having enough to eat.

22 posted on 12/02/2007 2:35:08 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: denydenydeny

We need to revert our economy so rapidly to the Stone Age that the ensuing crisis takes down the Chinese economy too. And no cooking fires and no cattle, Americans. But say yes to even higher taxes. Gosh, cavemen lived better than we will in our near future.


23 posted on 12/02/2007 2:35:20 PM PST by dufekin (Name the leader of our enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, terrorist dictator)
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To: ricks_place

Weather report from upper New York state. Last night low temp was 15 degrees F. It snowed and there currently is 3 to 5 inches of wet snow on the ground with more expected tonight.

My palm trees have been frozen off at the ground.


24 posted on 12/02/2007 2:36:15 PM PST by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: ricks_place

That is not very persuasive to me.


25 posted on 12/02/2007 2:38:37 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: ricks_place

Molon labe, buddy.


26 posted on 12/02/2007 2:42:38 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: ricks_place
World powers meeting at a UN climate change conference in Indonesia this week won't be able to craft a meaningful plan to address global warming without co-operation from the United States

The New Yorker was a dull Communist rag even in its best days, but at least the cartoons used to be funny. One by Barsotti sometime in the 1980s comes to mind in this context:

A businessman is talking on his phone, standing up at his desk in front of what's apparently his appointment calendar.

"No, Thursday's out. How about never? Is never good for you?"

27 posted on 12/02/2007 2:43:02 PM PST by SamuraiScot
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To: ricks_place

Molon labe, buddy. And by the way, you will NEVER make it meaningful, because it is Bogus Science and it does not MEAN anything.


28 posted on 12/02/2007 2:43:14 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: ricks_place

US must be part of UN change (make smaller and move to Zimbabwe, West Bank, Iran, Cuba, etc.


29 posted on 12/02/2007 2:50:38 PM PST by Paladin2 (Huma for co-president!)
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To: ricks_place

30 posted on 12/02/2007 2:50:47 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: golfisnr1
including Hollywood luminaries

Luminary: a person who has attained eminence in his or her field or is an inspiration to others

Naaaaahhhh....no bias there....

31 posted on 12/02/2007 2:51:15 PM PST by KenHorse (I have the heart of a Liberal. I keep it in a jar on my desk.)
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To: ricks_place

Translation: UN concludes USA by cooperate in worlds attempt to destroy USA.

Hillary, pelosi, and reid volunteer to help.


32 posted on 12/02/2007 2:58:46 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: ricks_place

“BALI, Indonesia - World powers meeting at a UN climate change conference in Indonesia this week won’t be able to craft a meaningful plan to address global warming without co-operation from the United States, the top emitter of greenhouse gases, the UN’s climate chief said Sunday.”

Sorry, that distinction goes to China.


33 posted on 12/02/2007 3:00:05 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (Hunter Thompson in 08.)
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To: ricks_place



The globe has been warming "Back Up" every since the ice age! And from what we were taught back in grade school, it's still got some warming to go before it get's back to what it was when the dinosaur's roamed the earth. Leave it to al gore to take advantage of a natural happening.

34 posted on 12/02/2007 3:00:24 PM PST by GloriaJane (http://www.download.com/gloriajane)
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To: ricks_place
Agreed. Even if we did sign the fact of the matter remains China and India will never accept binding emissions targets. We'd straitjacket our own economy to give our competitors a leg up. No thanks.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

35 posted on 12/02/2007 3:00:33 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ricks_place
"Without action, temperatures will rise, resulting in droughts, severe weather, dying species and other consequences, they said."

BS!

36 posted on 12/02/2007 3:07:29 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: NormsRevenge
"U.N. Climate Change Conference billboard in Nusa Dua, Bali"

I notice that UN billboard's blood red.

37 posted on 12/02/2007 3:09:41 PM PST by spunkets ("Freedom is about authority", Rudy Giuliani, gun grabber)
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To: ricks_place
...the United States, the top emitter of greenhouse gases....
Maybe if we promise to put Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnell, and Ted Kennedy on a diet . . . .
38 posted on 12/02/2007 3:12:00 PM PST by Hunton Peck (When a Democrat calls for "fairness", he means "Shut up and give us all your money.")
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To: ricks_place
"The solutions are within reach"

LOL.

They plan on turning of the SUN?

39 posted on 12/02/2007 3:16:17 PM PST by traditional1 (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: ricks_place

CHINA ENVIRONMENTAL NEWS.LINK

Climate Action in China China has ratified the primary international accords on climate change—the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and the Kyoto Protocol—but as a developing county, China has no binding emission limits under either accord. China is, however, an active participant in the Clean Development Mechanism (CDM) established under the Protocol. The CDM grants emission credits for verified reductions in developing countries, which can be used toward meeting their Kyoto targets. This provides lower-cost reductions for developed countries and generates investment in clean development in developing countries. China is by far the largest source of CDM credits, accounting for over 40 percent of those generated to date...

China argues that rich countries are responsible for most of the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, and so should shoulder most of the burden of reducing them. It also points out that although its overall emissions are huge and growing fast (they will surpass America's this year, according to the International Energy Agency), they are still far lower than America's when measured per person (see chart). It would be unfair, it argues, to deprive China's citizens of the chance to live as lavishly as Americans do, despite all the pollution that might entail...

40 posted on 12/02/2007 3:16:37 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: ricks_place
We need to kick the UN out of the US and get the US out of the UN. As Pres Bush said, we had a 3% increase in GDP yet had a 1.5% emission reduction this past year which is basically a -4.5% in emissions per gdp $. Last I heard Europe was still increasing. Go hit them up for some money.

That ignores the fact that global warmings is bull, especially that it is man made.

41 posted on 12/02/2007 3:17:45 PM PST by rb22982
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To: Fred Nerks
Exactly. The entire Third World wants the same standard of living the developed West does. And they will not deny it to their own people just so a handful of Western environmental elitists can have a good night's sleep.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

42 posted on 12/02/2007 3:18:50 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: ricks_place
Simply Stinking Communists
43 posted on 12/02/2007 3:20:34 PM PST by pabianice
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To: ricks_place

They want our money and they want to screw our economy. P!ss on ‘em!


44 posted on 12/02/2007 3:23:58 PM PST by rbosque ("To educate a person in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." - Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: ricks_place

UN says USA must be part of climate change agreement....

F...the UN!!!!!


45 posted on 12/02/2007 3:27:29 PM PST by nyyankeefan
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To: Beowulf; Defendingliberty

~~ AGW™ ping~~


46 posted on 12/02/2007 3:28:25 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: pabianice
...thanks for that important link!

PhotoShopped pictures of polar bears drowning and elephants mummified in Africa; the list is nearly endless. One scientist has linked more than 600 bogus science websites to the topic “global warming.” Almost all are alarmist, if not just plain dishonest...

for example, last night on the TV 'news' in Oz we were treated to another nightly 'global-warming' lecture - not a single day passes without one. The 'effects' were illustrated by a number of dead donkeys lying in the sand GUESS WHERE? On the outskirts of a camp in DARFUR!

'Get me an image of some dead animals, quick! We can't keep using those polar bears on icebergs, the viewers need something new to jolt them - and never mind the context...'

Yep. Even the genocide in Darfur is useful to push the global warming b*llsh*t.

47 posted on 12/02/2007 3:39:58 PM PST by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: ASOC
I agree. Didn't I read somewhere that 16 of the 20 worst polluted cities in the world were in China?

That they want to zap the US and give China a pass just goes to show that all this economic mumbo jumbo is pointed squarely at the US economy.

Screw em.

48 posted on 12/02/2007 3:53:29 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (The way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.)
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To: ricks_place

Pigs


49 posted on 12/02/2007 3:58:01 PM PST by Picklezz
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To: ricks_place
Without action, temperatures will rise, resulting in droughts, severe weather, dying species and other consequences

Yet they will not let us develop the resources of outer space.

50 posted on 12/02/2007 4:02:55 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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