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Spray vs. gun bear deterrent debate rages
the Missoulian ^ | December 03 2007 | JOHN CRAMER

Posted on 12/03/2007 3:09:30 PM PST by george76

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To: Honor above all

Thanks for sharing that.

Experience is often different than whats on paper.

I appreciate the story...angels were looking out for him.


121 posted on 12/05/2007 9:53:21 AM PST by fishhound
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To: george76
I have a friend that lives up in the high country of Montana. My last visit there found us walking along a stream bed. We came upon a set of griz tracks that were about 5-10 minutes old. The size of the track worried me A LOT. The pad of the front paw was about 6 inches in diameter with the claws and claw pads out another inch or two. One damn big bear.

She normally carries one of these.

I took the rifle, racked a round in the chamber and told her to go back the way we came, I would watch our back.

122 posted on 12/05/2007 10:04:39 AM PST by Pistolshot (Never argue with stupid people, they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience)
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To: OKSooner

I don’t think there’s enough difference in power to justify the vastly smaller ammo world of the 450 Marlin, particularly when there’s pretty much nothing which walks the Earth which the 45/70 won’t stop. They say that heavy Garrett 45/70 ammo will go through a cape buffalo or rhino from end to end.


123 posted on 12/05/2007 2:21:50 PM PST by damondonion
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To: The KG9 Kid; All

Hey, did I miss anything? I had to step out for a cup of joe. All this pistol talk got me curious about a few things so I asked my husband (an expert and avid hunter) about the best ammo to take out a bear. He said “RULE #1” is a hunter needs to make sure their weapon is loaded correctly because if it isn’t there is a definite possibility of the weapon backfiring and that can get really messy! Then the bear really gets the best of you. Thought Id’e pass on the tip.


124 posted on 12/07/2007 12:32:28 AM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Jos24:15, Rev 22:17,John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: george76; All

That outa give everyone the willies, even the most expert hunter.


125 posted on 12/07/2007 12:36:41 AM PST by 444Flyer (NEVER take a "mark" to "buy or sell"!Jos24:15, Rev 22:17,John 3:1-36, Eph 6, Rev 12:11, Jer 29:13-14)
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To: george76
The 2nd Ammendment gives me the the right to bear arms


126 posted on 12/07/2007 12:40:01 AM PST by LukeL
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To: george76
What will happen now ?

Train and arm some of the staff ?

Well, I'm sure the lefties would hate it if they realized it, but many of the USGS staff are already trained and armed.

As for the GSA, it's composed of people from many different affiliations, so it's up to the individual members. But I believe a committee has been set up to develop guidelines and recommendations that members can use to help them in dealing with their employers (usually academic institutions)...providing some "official weight" to those who need to convincing that people operating alone need to be able to protect themselves.

127 posted on 12/07/2007 5:31:45 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: george76

Anybody who would choose pepper spray over a gun has to have a death wish.


128 posted on 12/07/2007 5:34:17 AM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
"..45/70 gov...it would handle modern cartridges."

The cartrige is still an antique black-powder cartrige. Modern smokeless powder can be loaded in this cartrige, but the pressures may not exceed the maximum SAMMI pressure.

Even though the pressure is generally lower than in some other more modern cartriges, the .45-70 govt. still packs a punch.

If I were choosing a new purchase, I would probably go with a .450 Marlin.

129 posted on 12/07/2007 6:01:10 AM PST by Designer
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To: george76

I used to work in Alaska, had a fish and game guy tell me that the best bear deterrent was a flare gun, he said spray will work if you get it in their nose and eyes, and a gun may or may not work, but a 3000 degree flare burning their fur will defintely make them run away.


130 posted on 12/07/2007 6:07:50 AM PST by DaiHuy (I think owning a gun doesn't make you a killer, it makes you a smart American. (George Carlin)
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To: 444Flyer
All this pistol talk...


My Montana/Alaska buddy recommends filing off the sights of your pistol before using it on grizzly.


It hurts less when the bear shoves it up your

131 posted on 12/07/2007 2:30:33 PM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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