Just to refute their first premise, most think that the drop in violent crime had much more to do with more prison bunks than it did with any gun legislation. As prison populations soared in the late 80s and early 90s, crime dropped. Imagine that.
Posted on 12/04/2007 12:56:01 AM PST by neverdem
Amy 1911’s balance very well, thank you.
LOL! Love it.
I only got to the second paragraph, when the Strawman Argument appeared: “Those who believe that individual rights are more important than public safety often side with reduced gun control laws. On the other hand...”
LOL. No need to read the rest.
shoud read, “My 1911’s balance very well, thank you.”
“Intent/Understanding of the ratifiers” of the Constitution, ie, it’s “true meaning”,
hasn’t been used since the Marshall Court. The judges’ particular social whims have been substituted.
However, you know when the other side seeks a “balance” or a “compromise” that they know they’re in a weaker position.
“any honest consistency in those two die-hard Leftists”
Don’t make the mistake of ever trying to apply “logical consistency” to a leftist. You have to examine every issue backwards, from “what do they want the outcome to be” instead of “they used this logical reasoning last time, so using the same reasoning they will conclude that”.
I don't think the two scenarios are comparable. Pro-gun activists are single-minded in a way that most left-wing lotus-eaters, even those who really hate guns, are not.
If the Supreme Court overturns the Second Amendment, you damn betcha the Right would be invigorated. There would be an immediate push for a new, unambiguous Amendment, with massive grass-roots activism and political involvement. The Democrats would lose a hundred seats in the House and fifteen seats in the Senate. A pro-gun Republican would win the Presidency by a 60 or 65% majority.
If the Court upholds the Amendment, even with some allowance for restrictions like licensing or registration, then it's pretty much status quo ante. I do not foresee any great wave of left-wing indignation sweeping Hillary to victory. There will be grumbling from the media, but there's just no comparable number of single-issue voters on the other side of this question.
-ccm
it is the direction of this case.
The left is going to argue it is IRRELEVANT whether it is an individual OR a collective right. There is a strict scrutiny passing state interest which can dictate gun control ala yelling fire in a crowded theater.
Yes, 1934 taxed and regulated, but anyone could manufacture one, buy a new one, import one (including war trophies) if they did their paperwork and paid the tax.
1986 allowed only those in existence on the registry to continue legally. There are only about 100,000 of these (1 per 3000 citizens) and they cost $10,000 and up for guns that should cost $1000. And modern designs since 1986 are perpetually banned.
But Parker/Heller if upheld gives a solid foundation to overturn this aspect of 1986, though not the tax and regulatory aspects of 1934.
FA are not illegal.
Go here http://www.brpguns.com/
But that site sells parts kits that are useless without the registered component (receiver/tube) that the law calls a “machine gun.” And those cost thousands of dollars to buy and are illetgal to make.
FA are legal, but only a limited selected subset of them. Of the millions of FA arms in the hands of US military and law enforcement, essentially none may be lawfully owned by a citizen.
Just to refute their first premise, most think that the drop in violent crime had much more to do with more prison bunks than it did with any gun legislation. As prison populations soared in the late 80s and early 90s, crime dropped. Imagine that.
Wrong.
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I wonder what they realy meant?
“Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in our own possession and under our own direction, and having them under the management of Congress. If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?”
—Patrick Henry
All excellent points.
We must be balanced in our approach to all civil rights. Too much freedom is bad for the public. < /sarcasm >
Sorry, but semi-autos aren’t machine guns as any reasonable person understands the term.
It doesn't "forbid" keeping records - the market sees to that - but it removed the REQUIREMENT to keep records.
Just as, BTW, there was no requirement to keep ammo sales records prior to about, what? 1970-something?
And I don't recall the '50s and '60s as being especially bad for handgun violence.
Where this writer tells a MAJOR lie is when he says the FOPA removed the requirement for dealers to keep records: that's not just a lie, that's a damn lie!
The gun control act of 1986 made the MANUFACTURE or importation of full-auto weapons illegal.
Possession is still legal of course, depending on the state you live in.
UConn
'Nuff said.
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