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Strive For Balance In Gun Control
The Daily Campus (University of Connecticut) ^ | 11/30/07 | Dan Cunningham

Posted on 12/04/2007 12:56:01 AM PST by neverdem

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To: Jabba the Nutt

‘Trench Guns’ on the front in WWI. Troops did use sawed-off shotguns, when they made it to enemy trenches. A shot gun is a long gun, which is difficult to manage in the tight confines of a trench. In close quarters combat in a trench, accuracy wasn’t much of an issue, but handling, speed and agility sure were.


I didn’t know that. Is that the origin of the sawed off shotgun?


21 posted on 12/04/2007 2:49:01 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: Altura Ct.
I think he's talking about the need for proper a proper stance and foot placement ...isn't he?
22 posted on 12/04/2007 2:51:40 AM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: Paisan
Finally, it outlawed all fully automatic weapons made after 1986. What? I thought this was done back in the 1930’s?

The author has made many mistakes in his article. FA are not illegal.

Go here http://www.brpguns.com/

23 posted on 12/04/2007 2:56:39 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: neverdem

Isn’t balance in gun control

A Winchester or a Colt in each hand?


24 posted on 12/04/2007 2:58:04 AM PST by Quix (GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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To: neverdem

If the court decides to rule that it is a “collective right”, rather than an “individual right”, that will be the fall of the American Republic.

And it will mean a huge number of dead folks.
Dead people who live on farms.
Dead women who live in cities but carry a gun in their purse just-in-case.
Dead cops.
Dead politicians.
Maybe even some dead judges.


25 posted on 12/04/2007 3:00:31 AM PST by djf (Send Fred some bread! Not a whole loaf, a slice or two will do!)
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To: neverdem

Strive for balance, I could think of several things the rabid left could strive for balance with, and it is not written in the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights in it’s entirety is balance. Against totalitarian leftists.

Even notice how all the totalitarians in the world are leftists?


26 posted on 12/04/2007 3:04:59 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: backtothestreets
Yeah, the effect that this case has on the next election will be pretty profound. By my reading, if the court comes down on the anti-second amendment side, then it looks VERY bad for the Democrat whoever that might be, and it will push whoever the Republican candidate is (assuming that it's Rudy or Mitt and not one of the already pro-second amendment candidates) much further to the right on gun issues.

If the court comes down on the pro-second amendment side, then we'll see the radical left re-invigorated, and it could mean additional support for the weak spots in Hillary's campaign, but not too much for Obama since he's already a radical leftist.

So a question hanging out there is, would we trade one term of Hillary as President, for a clear SCOTUS ruling on the second amendment that protects our RTKAB?

27 posted on 12/04/2007 3:05:37 AM PST by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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To: neverdem
Can anyone verify that the 1986 FOPA forbids record keeping of ammo sales?
1986 Firearms Owners' Protection Act
This act eased restrictions on gun sellers and the sale of some guns. It amended the Gun Control Act of 1968 to redefine "gun dealer," now excluding those making occasional sales or repairs. It also repealed certain recordkeeping requirements for the sale of ammunition (which had included the name, age, and address of the purchaser, as well as the date of sale), and permitted mail-order sale of ammunition. The act imposed additional penalties for persons using a firearm during certain crimes and persons with robbery or burglary convictions who are illegally shipping guns.

Summary...S.49 Title: A bill to protect firearm owners' constitutional rights, civil liberties, and rights to privacy.
Repeals certain recordkeeping requirements for the sale of ammunition (but retaining such requirements for armor-piercing ammunition).

28 posted on 12/04/2007 3:09:23 AM PST by philman_36
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To: The KG9 Kid
Yeah, ya gotta watch out for those nun chuckers . . .


29 posted on 12/04/2007 3:47:53 AM PST by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: Altura Ct.
“Strive For Balance In Gun Control”
Balance? WTF?
I have fine balance in my 357. Is that what you mean?

Don't forget a good stance and hold.

30 posted on 12/04/2007 4:00:50 AM PST by Ghengis (Of course freedom is free. If it wasn't, it would be called expensivedom. ~Cindy Sheehan 11/11/06)
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To: neverdem
banning pencils because people die of lead poisoning

While I like the author's ultimate conclusion, this is a rather poorly written article. I won't jump on all of the issues (I'll sum it up by saying there are a lot of internally contradictory and non-factual statements), but I will point out the quote above.

The author uses an analogy I've heard before about the danger of lead in pencils. The issue is of course that pencils don't contain any lead. The writing part of a pencil is graphite. Either the author is much more clever than I by using a double entendre (banning lead which isn't really lead) or, more likely, he's using a hackneyed cliche which really doesn't apply (if you have more than about a sixth grade education).

31 posted on 12/04/2007 4:01:43 AM PST by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: neverdem

Thank God I’m out of that school on the 16th... I used to read crap like this all the time. I really think that UCONN intentionally makes peoples’ brains mush in order to not have anyone have an opinion on anything. There is no middle-of-the-road approach for gun ownership. The 2nd Amendment says what it says.


32 posted on 12/04/2007 4:17:55 AM PST by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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To: neverdem
In more recent history, gun violence reached a peak in 1993 after a seemingly unusual spike in 1988. Later, this spike decreased substantially to pre-1988 levels, a level of violence that has persisted until today. This strange jump in crime, followed by an equally unusual decrease, was an almost uniform change across the country. This implies that some mechanism in policy could have been the cause of the surge.

Crack

Whitey did it

33 posted on 12/04/2007 4:20:27 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (Buy 'Allah' brand urinal cakes - If you can't kill the enemy at least you can piss on their god)
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To: neverdem

It is never safe to give away any of our rights, why does everyone look at me (at work) like i am on crack when i say we should only be allowed one political speach per month, or any of the other parts of the bill of rights can only be used once per month. But they think its perfectly ok to tell me that I can only get one gun per month, if i register it, and its not too scary, or too powerfull, ect. ect. ect.


34 posted on 12/04/2007 4:30:21 AM PST by Dagamore (I hate mouse guns.)
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To: Paisan
I thought this was done back in the 1930’s?

And you thought wrongly!

35 posted on 12/04/2007 5:01:04 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: neverdem
Isn't this 'essay' written by some mush headed college kid, published in his school newspaper? Since the link goes to a printer friendly version that's the only thing I can surmise. If so, to me it's meaningless.

As for his 'strive for balance', I wonder if he feels about the 1st Amendment the same way - the one that protects his RIGHT to pen this nonsense without a gubmint license, registration, tracking, or 'prior approval'.

My guess is -- not.

36 posted on 12/04/2007 5:28:04 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy has more baggage than Samsonite. But that's okay, the NYPD carries it. /s)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
"Miller got busted for having a banned sawed-off shotgun."

Technically, he was charged with transporting it across state lines without a tax stamp and registration. Had he registered it and purchased a tax stamp, it would have been legal to own.

"The Supreme Court in 1939 was unaware of the use of 'Trench Guns' on the front in WWI."

Those were 20" pump action guns with a barrel shroud, sling swivels, and bayonet mount. Miller had a sawed-off double barreled shotgun, less than 18".

"The fact of the matter is, that the Supreme Court has never ruled that the Second Amendment is not an indivdual right, but is a collective right. Not once."

They never addressed the issue of a collective right or an individual right. They were silent.

37 posted on 12/04/2007 5:29:48 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
The were silent. And they never ruled that the Second Amendment is a collective right. The author claimed the Supreme Court often State's right to regulate firearms to the militia. This guy doesn't realize what that means and he doesn't understand the Second Amendment, but that doesn't stop him from writing about it and worse, getting published.

Hmmm, thanks for the info on WWI short-barreled shotguns. With a bayonet, wow. But that argues for the close quarter nature of the within the trenches warfare.

My point was mostly that the Supreme Court didn't have any evidence for the use of short-barreled shotguns in warfare, therefore it was not a militia weapon, therefore it didn't come under protection of the Second Amendment.

This implies that even under Miller, which the Liberals have mischaracterized for 60 years, would protect weapons used by the military. This is the opposite of the banning of 'assault weapons'. Millions and millions of AK and M-16 have been used by militaries, partisans, guerillas, militias and civilians around the world. It is exactly assault weapons that would get the greatest protection from the Second Amendment.

Rule 1: Liberals lie. Rule 2: When in doubt, read Rule 1.

38 posted on 12/04/2007 5:42:57 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: durasell

I don’t know if that is the origin. I don’t know when shotguns were first invented. I do remember seeing a program on Pirate Tech, the weapons used by pirates in the golden age of piracy. They did use short-barreled muskets with shot. Pretty much for the same reason the trench fighters used them, for close quarter combat. Pirates used them when bording ships.


39 posted on 12/04/2007 5:46:41 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Paisan
*** Finally, it outlawed all fully automatic weapons made after 1986. What? I thought this was done back in the 1930’s? ***

No, The National Firearms Act of 1934 only 'regulated' full auto firearms. with a 'tax stamp' (transfer fee) and in most states they were legal. It's still on a state by state case. IL finally outlawed them entirely in the mid 70's. So on the Fed level any law abiding citizen in can still apply for the Class 3 'tax stamp' but the hassle and cost to most isn't worth it even if your state allows them.

And aside, it took Congress until 1934 to pass 'The Act' as they always thought (correctly) that any restriction was unconstitutional. They finally figured they could do it through the Commerce Clause - which they still abuse to this day with unconstitutional laws like Federal Hate Crime Legislation. (take away Commerce Clause abuse and Congress can sit home for ten months of the year.)

40 posted on 12/04/2007 5:57:14 AM PST by Condor51 (Rudy has more baggage than Samsonite. But that's okay, the NYPD carries it. /s)
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