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1 posted on 12/04/2007 2:07:49 PM PST by Sub-Driver
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Oh - I get it now. The three thousand centriguges are spinning silk for sweaters.....


2 posted on 12/04/2007 2:11:40 PM PST by winged1
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the intelligence community's new finding that Iran had had a covert nuclear weapons program but halted it in 2003

When it was shipped to Syria and later destroyed by the Israelis?

3 posted on 12/04/2007 2:13:10 PM PST by OCC
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"It's exactly what he did in the run up to the war in Iraq in consistently exaggerating intelligence suggesting that Iraq had WMD (weapons of mass destruction), while failing to tell the American people about intelligence concluding that it did not," said Senator Joe Biden, who is running for president.
If Josephine Biden says it's true, you can take it to the bank. (Just don't be surprised if the bank doesn't want it.)
4 posted on 12/04/2007 2:13:26 PM PST by samtheman
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Oh - I get it now. The three thousand centrifuges are spinning silk for sweaters.....


5 posted on 12/04/2007 2:13:37 PM PST by winged1
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If, in fact, Iran did halt their nuclear enrichment in 2003, then what have all these reports we’ve been reading over the past years been about? Wasn’t it just last month that Iran said it had finally installed 3,000 centrifuges? I say we still bomb them back to the stone age.


6 posted on 12/04/2007 2:15:23 PM PST by camerongood210 (Only the dead have seen the end of war)
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Probably the new info is about Nork, Syrian, Iranian cooperation in the matter, how much was outsourced, etc. If the research was in North Korea and the assembly in Syria, and only enrichment in Iran, but they all traded all of it and Iranian oil money footed the whole bill, does that mean no active Iranian nuke program? I rather doubt it. The Israelis clearly knew something in September that wasn't known previously, to be able to hit that site in Syria.

Meanwhile the CIA remains a wholly owned subsidiary of Clinton Inc, if not the last Internationale, and covers its backside while appealing to its hoped-for new Dem prez candidates. In case everybody forgot, this was the crowd that opposed the Iraq war on the grounds that if we went in, Saddam would surely gas us into oblivion.

7 posted on 12/04/2007 2:17:40 PM PST by JasonC
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Is this the same bunch of intel sucks that have been leaking information so al-Qaeda knows what we are doing? Are they same ones who leak to make our President Bush looks bad when they leak half truths and lies? Are these the same ones who are left-wing Democrats and want the Democrats and al-Qaeda to win?
9 posted on 12/04/2007 2:19:29 PM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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The National Intelligence Estimate, as the assessment is called, judged “with high confidence that the halt lasted at least several years”.

Because of “intelligence gaps,” the report said, the intelligence community had “moderate confidence” that Tehran had not restarted the program as of mid-2007 and did not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.

This is also from the article and hasn’t been discussed by the media. It doesn’t give me any warm fuzzies that anyone really knows what they’re talking about.


12 posted on 12/04/2007 2:23:55 PM PST by saganite
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CIA CYA


13 posted on 12/04/2007 2:25:31 PM PST by Captain Pike
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This stinks to high heaven. Those intelligence agencies never agree on anything, even who the current President is, unless they are ordered to.

And even the President probably doesn’t have enough clout to order them to agree. Which implies that there is something really big going on. The President + the Senate leadership and maybe even the House leadership + the Pentagon. And it would almost have to involve Israel.

That could mean only one thing: this is being done to avert a nuclear war.

The big question is how, why and involving who?

Israel would have to be in on the deal, because it has 200+ nukes it would probably used if attacked.

Iran might have as many as a half-dozen nukes made from North Korean nuclear material, and some serious missiles that could carry them. But the whole region is blanketed with hundreds of US anti-missile missiles, protecting all the major targets. And thus the stalemate.

But what has happened?

I don’t believe for a minute that we have discovered something that can prove a negative. That is, that Iran *doesn’t* have nuclear weapons.

The only power large enough to threaten the US back would be Russia, by saying that they would retaliate if we attacked Iran.

Other than that, the only thing that would work would be if Iran opened its doors to inspectors, anywhere at any time, to include inspectors the US believed. But that could only confirm enrichment activities, not existing weapons.

Maybe the US has developed a super weapon so powerful that Iran must comply, and such a super weapon has been confirmed to the Iranians by someone they believe, so they have capitulated, but without publicly saying so.

Too many possibilities.


14 posted on 12/04/2007 2:26:16 PM PST by Popocatapetl
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Why should any of us have confidence in the geniuses in the CIA who told Bush that finding WMD in Iraq would be a “slam dunk” and misidentified crop fertilizer cylinders as mobile chemical weapons labs?


16 posted on 12/04/2007 2:32:24 PM PST by Elpasser
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Mr Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney were not formally briefed

Dammit. It's President Bush.

17 posted on 12/04/2007 2:33:11 PM PST by SolidWood ("I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.")
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18 posted on 12/04/2007 2:34:48 PM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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This is in my opinion, simply playing the safe card (from a Bush perpective).
Given all the caterwauling over the “missing” WMDs (ask the dead Kurds if they existed and the Syrians where they are now), Bush is not going to go down as “historically wrong” wrong twice. Note: I don’t think he was wrong.

So, put in a little delay and let the next president have to deal with it.

Now you have 1.5 - 5 years til the Iranians have enough to cause severe problems.

In other words, I don’t think anything is going to be done about the Iranians - we have the official opinion on record now so that if a US city goes bye-bye, everybody can claim they knew nothing.

More head-in-the-sand diplomacy.


24 posted on 12/04/2007 2:40:46 PM PST by BereanBrain
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What we are now going to have to worry about, is who is going to have to pick up the huge can that He Of The Great Aircraft Landing has kicked down the road towards our grandchildren?


25 posted on 12/04/2007 2:42:16 PM PST by Grateful One
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The great discovery may be that intelligence agencies are determined to embarrass this administration.

BTW US intelligence agencies, particularly the CIA, have not had a stellar record since the days of Dulles.

30 posted on 12/04/2007 3:08:15 PM PST by pfflier
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When did Israel BOMB Syria??


33 posted on 12/04/2007 3:26:40 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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I said it six months ago...the world has decided to live with a nuclear armed Iran. It’s that simple.


34 posted on 12/04/2007 3:29:13 PM PST by blam (Secure the border and enforce the law)
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Don’t worry..., Israel isn’t fooled like some of the intelligence agencies in the U.S. are.


39 posted on 12/04/2007 3:52:07 PM PST by Star Traveler
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Disinformation.


43 posted on 12/04/2007 4:35:21 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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