Posted on 12/05/2007 12:23:01 PM PST by PrivateIdaho
An elderly man was found near an escalator in the store, and police said a young black man was being sought as the suspected shooter. Early indications were that as many as five people may be injured.
Colby Barak told KETV NewsWatch 7 that she was on lockdown inside Westroads Mall. She said she was doing Christmas shopping at Younkers, and an announcement was made that no one would be allowed to leave.
Just before 2 p.m., Barrett said, another announcement was made that shoppers could leave but would not be allowed back in.
Dozens of police and sheriff's cars were arriving at the mall.
A description of the shooter, broadcast over scanners, was that he was in an Army-green vest and was holding a rifle.
Another Westroads shopper, Kathy, told KETV NewsWatch 7 that she heard three pops. She said a Bath and Body Works manager approached her and told her to get out of the mall hallway as there was a situation, and a shooter had not been located.
I’m getting to thread a bit late so I don’t know if this has come up. If this little prick had some issues and he was going to go kill some people, why didn’t he turn the gun on hisself in the first place and spare a lot of grief for those affected? It seems like when someone goes to the zoo, they want to kill as many innocents as they can, a la Virginia Tech. They should just put a round in the chamber, point the gun at their head, and pull the trigger. They are going to do it anyway. Why ruin a lot of lives just so they can make their point, as they see it. May he and all those like him, past, present, and future, burn in he!! for their actions. Now that it’s the silly season, I expect some more of this kind of thing happening, although I pray that it doesn’t happen.
According to fox it was a posted gfz.
And the MSM news completely agrees with you. This is what we have become.
And the MSM news completely agrees with you. This is what we have become."
No. The MSM would run in terror. I'd annihilate the SOB. Now genius, explain why you think anyone ought to be able to sport an exposed rifle in a mall outside Churchill, Manitoba?
I refuse to comment, genius.
Fine.
it’s standard procedure for black gun type cops to not be as brave as an old school guy 40 years ago armed only with a Smith .38 woulda been
like with Charles Whitman in Austin....those cops had balls
these modern Seal wannabes don’t seem to have the stones but they have the toys...and want more
they sat at Columbine and VPI while folks died inside
another reason for a well armed citizenry
One person they will never interview is the kid’s shrink.
And these types are triggered to ‘off’ themselves. It gets damn embarrassing having all these kids try to explain why they did it:
Barry Loukaitus, 14, Moses Lake, WA, Frontier Jr H.S., 2-2-96, 3 dead, 1 wounded
“Barry never articulated a reason why he did what he did.” —John Knodel, Grant County prosecutor who handled the case.
Jillian Robbins, 19, Penn State U, State College, PA, 9-17-96, 1 dead, 1 wounded
—when she was arrested, she answered repeatedly, “I don’t know.” when asked why she brought school violence back to PSU.
Luke Woodham, 16, and Grant Boyette, 19, Pearl, MS, Pearl H.S., 10-1-97 2 dead, 7 wounded
...(I) fought with myself because I didn’t want to do any of it.”
Michael Carneal, Paducah, KY, Heath H.S., 12-1-97, 3 dead, 5 wounded
—When ask why he did it, he said he didn’t know.
Mitchel Johnson, 13, and Andrew Golden, 11, Jonesboro, AS, Westside Middle School, 3-24-98, 5 dead
—”Since that day, when the boys have been asked the same question(why did they shoot), they appeared not to be able to give an answer.”
Andrew Wurst 14, Edinborough, PA, 4-24-98 Parker Middle School(at off-campus school dance); 1 dead, 3 wounded
—”Why did he do it? Andrew doesn’t know, ...saying he had no reason of kill the teacher.” “...no one...that evening could recall anything that might explain what happened. Andrew himself has no explanation.”
Kip Kinkel, Springfield, OR, Thurston High School, 5-22-98, 1 dead, 7 seriously wounded
—In police interview he repeated “over and over” that “I had no choice.”
Q: Why did you go to school and start shooting people?
A: I had to. I had no other choice. I couldn’t do anything else.
Todd Cameron Smith, Taber, Alberta 4-27-99 W.R. Myers HS
In a signed police statement, the boy later said: “I have no particular reason for shooting the boys that I did. I don’t know who any of them were.”
T.J. Solomon, 15, Conyers, GA, 5-20-99 Heritage High, 6 wounded-
—Upon handing the gun over(a teacher had convinced T.J. not to kill himself—the barrel was in his mouth)he started crying hysterically and said repeatedly “I don’t know why I did this.”
Seth Trickey, 13, Fort Gibson, OK, 12-6-99, 4 wounded
—”He said ‘I don’t know’ when asked why he did it.”
Charles ‘Andy’ Williams, Santana HS, March 2001, San Diego County (2 dead, 13 wounded)
Williams was interrogated by detectives for about an hour after his arrest, and while prosecutor Anton declined to detail what he said, she indicated the statements may not explain why he opened fire.
10-9-06 Memorial Middle School, Joplin, MO
A 13-year-old student walked into the east side of Memorial Middle School
(boy’s attorney Chuck)Lonardo said the boy’s motives and intentions remain unclear even to him after sitting in on juvenile authorities’ interview of the boy after the shooting. “That’s just it,” Lonardo said. “We still don’t know.
2-12-07 Suleiman Talovic, 18, SLC Trolley Square massacre, Salt Lake City, UT 5 dead, 4 wounded
Salt Lake City police have finished their exhaustive investigation into the shooting rampage at Trolley Square, finding no real motive for 18-year-old Sulejman Talovic’s killing spree. “I think it may have died with him,” Salt Lake City Police Chief Chris Burbank said in an interview Sunday with the Deseret Morning News.
Me either, I've been in Texas for 30 years, but my mother and brother live in Lincoln. I've at least two first cousins in greater Omaha. One lives in the same school district as the shooter, in fact the house they showed on CNN today could have been in his neighborhood.
But since I was Air Force, I've kept up with the goings on at Offut, in part because some of the changes affected me as a reservist.
I've actually been to Eply in the last few years, taking or picking up family members when we were visiting in the area. You wouldn't recognize the place. And you might have a hard time getting to it, if you didn't consult a map first. :)
States do not have rights, they have powers. Those powers are not granted by the Constitution, but the 10th amendment protects most of them, while the rest of the Constitution generally restricts or removes a limited number powers that states once had.
What if she's taking it to or from the sporting goods store. I can think of several malls with licensed firearms dealers in them. In fact I bought my first rifle, a Ruger 10/22, from just such a store in a mall. I think it was in a box, but I might not have put it back in one to take it in for repair or exchange. (Well I probably would, I'm a keeper of boxes, when it comes to my firearms, but some might not.)
I talked with my friends and family back home. None of them were in the mall at that time.
Yep, they'll probably go after CHL laws, even though the punk used a rifle.
The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.
States have “rights”. They have the RIGHT to be protected from invasion and domestic violence.
They have “powers” as well. Your point is well taken, but not what I meant. As I was saying before, a state can NOT remove those RIGHTS given by the Constitution. That was my point.
WTF is a “gun free mall” again?
Not to mention the civilian that went up the tower with the cops, nor the other civilians, including students who were keeping his head down, by a steady stream of fire, rifles and carbines retrieved from their pickup trucks. I heard a talk by a guy who was one of those students. He found a perch in the library, once the librarian let him out onto a balcony. She didn't mind his M-1 Carbine, but the balcony was "off limits". After he got set up there, a cop came by, said something like "Good spot, I'll find my own, carry on". :) Today the cop would have his 40 mm Glock pointed at the guy's back and then the guy would be laying cuffed on the floor, more cops would be called away from the real problem to "secure the prisoner".
That *itch Norah O’Donnell said it was all because of the Republicans.
So, if I am understanding this correctly, you’re both somewhat agreeing that no one should be able to walk into a mall with a rifle? I’m a little confused. While I don’t remember any malls here in my area for certain, there are malls that have, and sell weapons, including rifles.
Also, for the record, there’s nothing that is stopping me from picking up my .30-30, and slinging it over my shoulder and walking down the street. With the exception that it will freak people OUT that are anti-gun, and I don’t really want to “upset” anyone. But, the truth is, I would be well within my rights and the law to do so.
What the cops decide to do in LIGHT of this incident yesterday.... is anyone’s guess. However, if someone is walking around with a rifle in the OPEN, and they aren’t threatening anyone, then oh well. Nothing SHould be done. The minute they DO attempt something, the 37 civilians standing around him, with concealed side arms ought to shot his ass to death on the spot.
You think they can take the feds to court to enforce such a right? I very much doubt it.
Your first quote deals with Citizens of the states, not the states themselves. The rest speaks of an obligation of the Federal government, a command to it actually "The United States *shall* guarantee".
As I was saying before, a state can NOT remove those RIGHTS given by the Constitution. That was my point.
And I agree with that, although there is bunch of jurisprudence that indicates otherwise. Particularly when the right is the RKBA. Much of it based on overturned precedents.
It's a mall we're talking about here. Most states and/or common courtesy generally require such transportation to be carried out with the rifle unloaded, in the packing box, or in a case. Dealers provide boxes, or gun socks. Walking through a mall with an exposed rifle, shotgun, or pistol in your hand makes people real nervous. I doubt any dealer would allow a customer to walk out with a new puchase exposed, and I'm sure they'd draw down on anyone walking in with an exposed weapon in hand, and get real nervous otherwise if a cop did that.
I realize that in some states, the gun can be transported exposed, but I doubt a reasonable man would walk around in a mall with an exposed gun in their hand. Then again, you were referring to a "she". Can you post a pic, so I can get an idea of how nervous I'd be?
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