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Omaha Mall Shooting .. Vanity Post
Vanity Post ^ | 12/06/07 | CometBaby

Posted on 12/06/2007 7:02:50 AM PST by CometBaby

As some of you know, I am from Omaha. Just my opinion, for what it’s worth, but I’m watching the reports on TV and Radio, both locally (here in Omaha) and nationally and I’m getting ticked off .. I have to speak out.

I've been listening to people who knew this kid, on a local radio station, talking about threats he has made. There was one classmate who claims he threatened to kill her and burn down her house. Then there are the friends from his clique who are defending him. One even supposedly threatened to kill another student who was talking about what a horrible person he was to do such a thing.

I am sick and tired of being told about how “shocked” the people who knew him were (that he would do such a thing). In spite of knowing he’d been in trouble with the law, was suicidal, depressed, emotionally disturbed, and had ideas of killing people.

The lady (he lived in her house) knew he had just dropped out of school, was emotionally unstable, diagnosed depressed, suicidal, just lost his girlfriend 2 weeks ago, just got fired from his pathetic job, that he felt he was nothing but a worthless piece of shit and didn't want to be a burden to anyone, anymore. This kid was probably exhibiting all of the classic signs of a time bomb, waiting to go off. And to top it off, he was supposedly playing with guns… the night before the killing spree!!

OF COURSE NOBODY EVER SAW IT COMING !!!!!

I can already feel the Brady minions coming out of the woodwork to grab up the SKS’s because nobody recognized this blatant danger to our community. And one other thing .. an SKS is NOT a “high powered” rifle!

Next, we are going to see signs all over the Malls saying not to bring in weapons. And how long before some nutcase announces that these poor victims deserved this, for wasting gas driving to the Mall (celebrating the HATED Christmas season, no less) in the first place! Who could have imagined it would ever come to this?

Makes you think it’s a real good idea to just shop online .. no hassles, no taxes and you don’t have to take your life into your hands! Thanks for letting me vent a bit.


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1 posted on 12/06/2007 7:02:51 AM PST by CometBaby
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To: CometBaby
The lady (he lived in her house) knew he had just dropped out of school, was emotionally unstable, diagnosed depressed, suicidal, just lost his girlfriend 2 weeks ago, just got fired from his pathetic job, that he felt he was nothing but a worthless piece of shit and didn't want to be a burden to anyone, anymore. This kid was probably exhibiting all of the classic signs of a time bomb, waiting to go off. And to top it off, he was supposedly playing with guns… the night before the killing spree!!

Don't forget, he even showed her the SKS the night before. Did it elicite any reactions of concern? Nope.
2 posted on 12/06/2007 7:05:21 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: CometBaby

Radio station news announcer designated the SKS he used as an “assault rifle”. Clearly trying to scare those that don’t know better.

Same old stuff from the bozos in the media.

Interesting that the guy was already a felon and barred by law from having a firearm in his hands. Guess those gun control laws don’t work real well huh?


3 posted on 12/06/2007 7:10:23 AM PST by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: CometBaby

In FL, you can laugh at the “NO GUNS” signs and walk on past. They aren’t enforceable at all.


4 posted on 12/06/2007 7:11:07 AM PST by ajwharton
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To: SoldierMedic

“This kid was probably exhibiting all of the classic signs of a time bomb, waiting to go off. And to top it off, he was supposedly playing with guns… the night before the killing spree!!”

I’ve read reports he had felony convictions. If true he had the weapon illegally.

So many warning signs and nobody did anything.


5 posted on 12/06/2007 7:12:16 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: ajwharton

“In FL, you can laugh at the “NO GUNS” signs and walk on past. They aren’t enforceable at all.”

How so?


6 posted on 12/06/2007 7:12:36 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: CometBaby

Realistically, what can be done? Full police investigation of anybody known to have a gun?


7 posted on 12/06/2007 7:14:11 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: CometBaby

The reports I heard today said everyone saw this coming. Unlike most of these events where everyone says the person was quiet and kept to themselves. Everyone is saying it was just a matter of time before this person did something stupid.


8 posted on 12/06/2007 7:14:20 AM PST by bmwcyle (BOMB, BOMB, BOMB,.......BOMB, BOMB IRAN)
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To: CometBaby

“Next, we are going to see signs all over the Malls saying not to bring in weapons”

An open invitation for people like him to bring in weapons knowing that nobody else can defend themselves ....


9 posted on 12/06/2007 7:16:55 AM PST by SkyDancer ("There is no distinctly Native American criminal class...save Congress - Mark Twain")
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To: CometBaby

If only the mall had some of these around it would have been totally safe..........

10 posted on 12/06/2007 7:20:22 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: SkyDancer

“An open invitation for people like him to bring in weapons knowing that nobody else can defend themselves ....”

I don’t go to the mall without a weapon. They are a magnet for all kinds of criminals. I also avoid the mall as much as possible.


11 posted on 12/06/2007 7:20:45 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: CometBaby
Until "our betters" realize that keeping law-abiding people from carrying guns pretty much everywhere they please, we'll continue to have "victim disarmament zones" that attract sick, murderous bastards like moths to a flame.

It's not like anyone with a brain would want to face down an SKS-wielding attacker armed only with a pistol, but A) It's better than nothing, and B)widespread and common CCW's can at least serve to give potential killers pause and realize that there's a possibility that all his victims may not just lay down like sheep.

Prayers out for all the killed and injured.

12 posted on 12/06/2007 7:21:30 AM PST by AngryJawa ({IDPA, NRA} All Hail John Moses Browning)
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To: ajwharton
“In FL, you can laugh at the “NO GUNS” signs and walk on past. They aren’t enforceable at all”

In the malls I worked at (Thank God I don’t work in malls anymore) employees would turn in customers when they saw a gun, it’s amazing what we see in dressing rooms. And malls throw people out all the time. Most malls even take your picture and log your name when they remove you from their premises so you can’t come back. I worked in a mall in Texas that bragged about how many people they removed. If people complained about the picture and the ban they just called the cops. People who run malls tend to be petty despots with a power complex. I have learned to steer clear of them.

13 posted on 12/06/2007 7:22:14 AM PST by bigred41
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To: CometBaby

The ad for this sign:

• Protect yourself and others around you by maintaining the rule that does not allow weapons on the premises.


14 posted on 12/06/2007 7:22:17 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: CometBaby
Heard this morning on KTLK (FM 100.3 in MN) that the kid was diagnosed ADD. Yet another Ritalin kid...

People never learn...

15 posted on 12/06/2007 7:24:00 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: SoldierMedic
Did it elicit any reactions of concern?

The woman in the family who took him in said it looked too old to work.

16 posted on 12/06/2007 7:24:14 AM PST by KittyKares (.)
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To: CometBaby
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17 posted on 12/06/2007 7:24:30 AM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Wolfie
Realistically, what can be done?

The only thing I can think of is if someone knew he was a felon in possession of a firearm they could have reported it. But chances are he would have been let loose after a brief sentence and this would have happened anyway.

The lesson learned (for the 1,000,000,000th time in history) is that there are bad people in the world, and bad things are done to good people by bad people. There is no way to preempt their actions entirely. So we should be prepared to defend ourselves and our loved ones at all times.

18 posted on 12/06/2007 7:25:03 AM PST by Hazwaste (Now with added lemony freshness!)
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To: ajwharton; CometBaby
In FL, you can laugh at the “NO GUNS” signs and walk on past. They aren’t enforceable at all.

Except maybe an US post offices where there are metal detectors.

19 posted on 12/06/2007 7:25:04 AM PST by Paleo Conservative
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To: CometBaby

I heard that he was fired for stealing money ($17 was mentioned) from his employer. Sorry, I’m not feeling bad for him.

And his parting words: now I’m gonna be famous - or something to that effect. That seems to be the ambition of a generation. Fame.

No depth to a life like that.

My prayers for the families who are suffering the loss.


20 posted on 12/06/2007 7:26:54 AM PST by trimom
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To: CometBaby

It’s obvious that the rifle was going down to the mall to kill people with or without its owner.


21 posted on 12/06/2007 7:26:58 AM PST by Niteranger68 (Questions are free. Answers are $1. Correct answers are $5.)
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To: Hazwaste
Radio station news announcer designated the SKS he used as an “assault rifle”. Clearly trying to scare those that don’t know better.

Here in the Minneapolis area, I heard on the radio that it was an "AK-47 assault rifle".
22 posted on 12/06/2007 7:27:28 AM PST by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: CometBaby

A no weapons sign issues stern visual warnings about one of today's most pressing safety concerns — gun-related incidents. No firearms signs protect the grounds 24/7/365 with a range of heavy-duty security signs — ideal for a variety of organizational and business environments.

• Illustrate a serious no-weapons policy on your premises. Don’t let the threat of gun incidents or violence overrun the security of your property.

• Graphic red-circle symbol understood by all. Keep firearms away.

• One of the strongest security statements you can make. Signs deliver instant, impossible-to-ignore results.

• Heavy-duty construction means years of security protection. Choose from various colors, messages.

23 posted on 12/06/2007 7:28:29 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Hazwaste

Yep, just heard NPR report the kid had an SKS “assault” rifle”. He was also described as “troubled”.


24 posted on 12/06/2007 7:29:11 AM PST by nativesoutherner ("When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.")
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To: CometBaby
celebrating the HATED Christmas season, no less

Yup! Notice how the word "Christmas", that has been all but expunged from the MSM's (and the stores') vocabulary, is suddenly being used all over the place in conjunction with this story.

It's Hannukah right now, why wouldn't they be Hannukah shoppers? Or, if they are black, Kwanza shoppers?

Or maybe the spate of "holiday shootings" can be blamed on the fact that the magic and goodwill has been taken out of what used to be Christmas and just the stress is left.

25 posted on 12/06/2007 7:29:23 AM PST by Wil H (My pet pig is named "Mohammed the Pedophile")
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To: driftdiver

““An open invitation for people like him to bring in weapons knowing that nobody else can defend themselves ....””

How many liberal church congregations are sitting ducks on Sunday morning?


26 posted on 12/06/2007 7:30:16 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: CometBaby
And one other thing .. an SKS is NOT a “high powered” rifle!
In qualitative, technical terms, the SKS is not “high power”. But in the usual semantics, at least of the Midwest, a “high powered rifle” is anything that’s not a .22 rimfire. The 7.62mm x 39 is slightly smaller but roughly equivalent to a caliber .30-30; adequate, though marginal, for deer hunting. If I were explaining it to a non-gun person, “high powered rifle” would seem an acceptable term.
27 posted on 12/06/2007 7:30:23 AM PST by ER Doc
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To: KittyKares

One article I read had her claiming that the kid was just to nice for her to believe he would do anything crazy with it.


28 posted on 12/06/2007 7:31:34 AM PST by SoldierMedic (Rowan Walter, 23 Feb 2007 Ramadi)
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To: CometBaby
I'm in Omaha too. I totally agree with you!

This over-analyzing crap is getting to be too much!

29 posted on 12/06/2007 7:31:48 AM PST by MountainDad
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To: Sopater
Same info here where I live. They even had a nice assaulting photo of the AK as a visual.
30 posted on 12/06/2007 7:31:57 AM PST by ▀udda▀udd (7 days - 7 ways Guero >>> with a floating, shifting, ever changing persona....)
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To: Red Badger

“stern visual warnings”

I think this will be very effective stopping those with evil on their minds.

/sarc


31 posted on 12/06/2007 7:32:10 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

Everyone should have one of these signs on their front lawn. That way EVERYONE is protected!..............


32 posted on 12/06/2007 7:35:14 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Hazwaste

” There is no way to preempt their actions entirely. “

Forty years ago, this kid would have probably been in an institution —

But that was before the courts decided that it was inhumane to not let dangerous psychotics roam the streets....

Welcome to ‘mainstreaming’.......


33 posted on 12/06/2007 7:35:32 AM PST by Uncle Ike (We has met the enemy, and he is us........)
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To: Wolfie
Realistically, what can be done? Full police investigation of anybody known to have a gun?

Owning that gun didn't drive this kid off over the edge. It was apparent that he was dangerous based on the details that are emerging about him now.

But of course this will be exploited to the anti gun crowd's campaign for blaming the gun instead of the murderer.

34 posted on 12/06/2007 7:36:05 AM PST by submarinerswife ("If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead." - George S. Patton)
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To: CometBaby

” This kid was probably exhibiting all of the classic signs of a time bomb, waiting to go off. And to top it off, he was supposedly playing with guns… the night before the killing spree!!”

So - what would you have done if you had been sitting there with him?


35 posted on 12/06/2007 7:36:49 AM PST by RoadTest ("It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law. - Psalm 119:26)
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To: Red Badger


Here, I came up with a better sign.
36 posted on 12/06/2007 7:37:38 AM PST by Sopater (A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left. ~ Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Sopater

That’ll show ‘em!.....


37 posted on 12/06/2007 7:40:43 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

“How many liberal church congregations are sitting ducks on Sunday morning?”

I dunno, are liberals usually in church on Sunday? Your point is valid for all churches. We can live in fear as our society is full of easy targets. Or we can take the fight to our enemies.


38 posted on 12/06/2007 7:41:35 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: CometBaby

I noticed Fox had the shooter’s picture on their chiron this morning. A little thumbnail image right above the time on the lower right-hand part of the screen. Disgusting.


39 posted on 12/06/2007 7:42:06 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Sopater

Can someone make a sign that says:

Warning: On a normal day, 1 out of 10 patrons to this mall are armed.

Or:

Warning: At any given time that person next to you might have a hidden gun and save your life.


40 posted on 12/06/2007 7:43:08 AM PST by George from New England
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To: CometBaby

No no. He was a good boy who was just beginning to turn his life around.

We are having a debate in Virginia because we don’t want to be quick to label mentally ill people as “dangerous” just because of these types of shootings. But we DO want to be quick to label them so they can’t buy a firearm. What to do? How do you label them without labeling them


41 posted on 12/06/2007 7:45:49 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

>>In FL, you can laugh at the “NO GUNS” signs and walk on past. They aren’t enforceable at all.<<
>>Except maybe an US post offices where there are metal detectors.<<

No guns in the Post Office. Ever. Federal offense.


42 posted on 12/06/2007 7:48:05 AM PST by QBFimi ("When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen." - Jacobson)
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To: Hazwaste

It didn’t used to happen until the liberals and communists took over.


43 posted on 12/06/2007 7:48:18 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: Red Badger
That sign is (legally) worthless in Texas. Only a sign meeting "Section 30.06" enforceable. Per the TXDPS website:

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PROHIBITING HANDGUNS IN A BUSINESS OR OTHER ENTITY

In order to provide notice that entry on property by a license holder with a concealed handgun is forbidden, Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(A) requires that a written communication contain the following language:

"PURSUANT TO SECTION 30.06, PENAL CODE (TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF A LICENSE TO CARRY A CONCEALED HANDGUN) A PERSON LICENSED UNDER SUBCHAPTER H, CHAPTER 411, GOVERNMENT CODE (CONCEALED HANDGUN LAW), MAY NOT ENTER THIS PROPERTY WITH A CONCEALED HANDGUN."

"CONFORME A LA SECCIÓN 30.06 DEL CÔDIGO PENAL (TRASPASAR PORTANDO ARMAS DE FUEGO) PERSONAS CON LICENCIA BAJO DEL SUB-CAPITULO H, CAPITULO 411, CODIGO DE GOBIERNO (LEY DE PORTAR ARMAS), NO DEBEN ENTRAR A ESTA PROPIEDAD PORTANDO UN ARMA DE FUEGO."

Penal Code Section 30.06(c)(3)(B) further states that a sign must meet the following requirements: includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish; appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

That is a BIG sign (about 18" X 24")-- and very few places (mostly banks and hospitals) display them.

44 posted on 12/06/2007 7:54:51 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: ichabod1

“I noticed Fox had the shooter’s picture on their chiron this morning.”

Dr Bennett noted in his show he would not use the guys name as he was looking to be famous. I liked Dr. B’s approach.


45 posted on 12/06/2007 7:55:09 AM PST by driftdiver
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To: driftdiver

I, too, am in Omaha.

It was obvious this kid (and even if he was 19, he was still a kid in my eyes as he had never grown up emotionally) had planned this for a while. He timed this with the President’s visit, knowing most law enforcement would be away from the store. He had previously scouted the store, as he knew right where to go to have the best vantage point for ‘sniping’ of all the malls in Omaha (Van Maur has a big open area, with a nice railing around the third floor where one can brace a gun...no other store has as good of view in any of the malls in town)

All the warning signs were there of the kid about to go off, like the original poster stated. This is a tragedy that could have been stopped by those who knew the kid.

And, of course, CNN immediately trots out things like ‘mall security’, and ‘are you safe in a mall’ instead of looking at the real cause of the problem: clueless idiots not paying attention to signs right in front of them.

To the poster that said an SKS is not an assault rifle: sorry, yes it is. It may be only single shot, but it is a variant of a fully automatic gun. Though it might be used by some for hunting, it is not what this area calls a hunting rifle by any means. This SKS, according to witnesses, was also firing 3 round bursts. This means it was modified back to its assault rifle roots.

I am very much a supporter of the 2nd Amendment, but the weapon the kid was carrying is exactly the weapon banned by the assault weapon law. That brings up the question on how someone mentally instable like he was could get a hold of one of these weapons. Rumor was he stole it from his step father. But this also means none of those assault weapon provisions in law would have prevented this, thus proving how useless they are. A psychopath can get a hold of one of these weapons, yet law abiding citizens cannot defend themselves and thus end up becoming victims. One person with a pistol to defend themselves could have prevented 8 other deaths, but you won’t hear that on the liberal media.


46 posted on 12/06/2007 7:55:34 AM PST by Lightfinger (Those that are ignorant of the past are doomed to repeat it. Progressive = National Socialist.)
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To: TXnMA

“Section 30.06”

Snork!


47 posted on 12/06/2007 7:56:02 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (Merry Christmas!)
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To: AngryJawa

i’d put any handgun i own (except my bearcat) against a punk kid with an SKS.


48 posted on 12/06/2007 7:56:07 AM PST by absolootezer0 (white male christian hetero married gun toting SUV driving motorcycle riding conservative smoker)
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To: TXnMA

Perhaps the need a sign that says:

NOTICE:
IT IS ILLEGAL TO ROB BANKS!


49 posted on 12/06/2007 7:56:43 AM PST by Red Badger ( We don't have science, but we do have consensus.......)
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To: TXnMA

“That is a BIG sign (about 18” X 24”)— and very few places (mostly banks and hospitals) display them.”

I’ve seen smaller signs in Dallas. Interesting that they don’t meet the legal requirement.


50 posted on 12/06/2007 7:57:00 AM PST by driftdiver
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