Posted on 12/07/2007 8:53:10 PM PST by End Times Crusader
Do you have a link for that report?
I can only hope Texans support Horn and send the GD message that we are sick and tired of illegal aliens and the crimes they commit.
I guess they we're attempting to run with the $2000 they stole from his neighbors home, and he dropped them.
They better be okay with it. Two border patrol agents are learning that lesson as we speak. They didn't kill anyone, just shot a drug mule in the a$$. So, the government gives this illegal invading drug mule immunity to testify against the agents. They are convicted on his testimony and the jurors are never told about him or that he attempted to bring drugs into the US again after being given immunity. There were no ballistics done to prove the Agents shot him. He could have been shot by anyone, anywhere, after the incident with the agents. We have the word of this drug mule bringing drugs illegally across our border against the word of 2 agents. Unreal.
You're correct. This angle has already been used by the press. You rarely hear that Mr. Horn made the 911 call to protect his minority neighbors' property.
In Texas it is legal to shoot someone engaged in criminal mischief after dark.
Would you happen to have a link to the actual law dealing with this?
On your property that is. And the story states that they were in his yard.
No, as it was on TV.
Didn’t the agents admit to shooting him?
I had been looking for an FR thread on this, but hadn’t seen one until this one.
The coroner’s report released today said that the wounds in the chest and side were *exit* wounds.
That is new info that was reported on all the local TV news stations tonight. The strange thing is that one station said “at least ONE of the two was shot in the back,” while another station I watched stated emphatically that BOTH were shot in the back.
I’m anxious to see the actual autopsy reports when they are released, but don’t know if they will be until the GJ is done with this.
I think there is an FR thread about the detective witness (something about DPS having the home under surveillance when this happened), but I haven’t read it. It wasn’t mentioned on the news tonight at all.
Here’s the law on protecting the property of another. (Protecting your own property is 9.41)
Texas Penal Code:
§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other’s imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/txcodes/pe.002.00.000009.00.html
I think this is a generally accessible link.
Sorry, my mistake about the DPS surveillance - that was the Colombian perps they were watching, not the neighbor house. Still don’t know the story on the Pasadena plainclothes cop witness.
They discharged their weapon, fired at him. He then ran and got into a car. They didn’t know if they shot him or not. I read the whole transcript and don’t recall them ever admitting to shooting him. They also testified that they thought he was armed, so they fired. He got away so I have no idea how they could prove they shot him or that he was unarmed. It was a lot of text and my memory might not be so fresh but I think that is basically how things went in the court.
I think they are guilty of laziness and not following procedure. They saw the guy running away and were pretty sure they didn’t hit him. They thought, that was that, and didn’t follow proper procedure in preserving the scene and it was all downhill for them after that. They should have been fired or suspended, but not be serving 10, 11 years in jail.
I am stunned to the beeber.
Why has no one yet replied?
“SO WHAT!!”
Don't want to get shot? Leave other people's property the he** alone and if you are here illegally stay in your own country where the people aren't allowed to be armed, you will live longer. I am glad Texas and several other states have the stand your ground laws and hope that ALL states adopt them eventually. Crime will drop like a rock all across the country.
How much do you want to bet that the “plainclothes detective’s” name is something like “Jose Gonzales Ortega Ruiz Quintana Ramirez?
In other words, in South Texas, a “friendly” witness for the “shooting victims” who are now dead.
I *would* say “so what?” except that now I’m forced to switch off the news mid-stream because of Quanell X’s ugly mug being on there constantly shouting “murderer.”
I don’t like to miss the weather reports.
12/8/07
Self-defense claim
Investigators believe a third person may have driven the men from Houston to the Pasadena neighborhood. Police could find no vehicle belonging to the pair parked in the area.
On the 911 tape, Horn mentioned a new state law that allows residents to protect their own home from intruders.
“This case is a little different,” Corbett said. “We’ll have to let the grand jury sort this one out.”
Horn’s attorney, Charles T. Lambright, said his client fired in self-defense because he feared for his life.
“One of them (suspects) moved and Joe thought he was coming towards him,” Lambright said. “They were in such close proximity (to Horn) that they could be on top of him in half a second.”
The fact that a police officer witnessed the shooting but did not arrest Horn is further evidence that he acted in self-defense, he said.
“You’ve got a trained police officer sitting there watching this, and he doesn’t arrest Horn,” Lambright said. “If the (plainclothes) officer thought it was not a righteous shooting, maybe the Pasadena Police Department would have arrested Mr. Horn for murder.”
Civil rights activist Quanell X said he would step up the call for a murder indictment against Horn, and questioned whether the Pasadena police should investigate the case.
Quanell X said the shooting should be handled instead by the Texas Rangers and the FBI.
“I don’t trust the Pasadena Police Department,” he said. “Why are they just now releasing the fact that an undercover officer witnessed the whole thing? This case stinks.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5362232.html
He may have committed a crime. I love the response to the rabble rousers, though.
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