Romney's "Faith of his Fathers" - His Church leaders speak out about Jesus Christ.

lds.org ^ | January, 2000 | LDS Church

[sevenbak]

LDS say that I will burn in hell because I fail to worship Joe Smith. That does it for me.

Wow, this I have to see. Chapter and verse please.

To the contrary, the LDS believe that all mankind will be judged according to the knowledge of Jesus Christ that they have. If they didn't have the opportunity to learn of his mission and accept him in this life, they will be given the opportunity in the next.

Worshiping JS is so far out there in anti mormon land, but it is good for a morning chuckle. Thanks for that.

[sevenbak]

Thanks for that, and a Merry Christmas to you too!

[sevenbak]

Bravo!!!!

[gitmo]

What you said about the word “Jehovah” is correct. But then again, most of the Old and New Testament names aren’t pronounced as they originally were. Including the name Jesus. I doubt if God gets bent out of shape about it.

[sevenbak]

Anyone that reads can find this stuff

RIght, any one who reads the Democrat talking points can find out all they want about Republicans too. Google is NOT always your friend, my FRiend. Go to the source, it's much easier. If you are already inclined to believe the worst, then no one can make you unbiased in your searching, that's up to you.

[fish hawk]

I’m not talking Google. I’m talking a vast amount of books and other materials I’ve read on the subject.

[sevenbak]

Actually, history shows the opposite. I would start with the prophecies about the civil war given by Joseph Smith 20 years before it started. Then move on to others.

Here’s a start for ya.

http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDSFAQ/FQ_prophecies.shtml

[sevenbak]

Yes, and thanks for being cordial. The LDS believe in the preexistence, that mankind was created first spiritually and lived with God before we came to mortality. We will return to that God who gave us life. Here are some scriptures that help explain this doctrine.

Num. 16: 22 (Num. 27: 16) God of the spirits of all flesh.
Job 38: 7 all the sons of God shouted for joy.
Eccl. 12: 7 the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Jer. 1: 5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee.
Zech. 12: 1 Lord . . . formeth the spirit of man within him.
John 9: 2 who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind.
Acts 17: 28 poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
Rom. 8: 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate.
Eph. 1: 4 chosen us in him before the foundation of the world.
Heb. 12: 9 subjection unto the Father of spirits.
Jude 1: 6 angels which kept not their first estate.
Rev. 12: 7 Michael and his angels fought against the dragon.

See also Prov. 8: 22-31; John 1: 2, 14; John 8: 58; John 16: 28; John 17: 5, 24; 2 Tim. 1: 9; Titus 1: 2

[sevenbak]

Same thing. Go to the source. Don’t go to a Ford dealer to learn about a Chevy. Try them both out on equal grounds, even take them for a test drive is you so choose, but one stop shopping usually gets you bad deals and cheap products.

Ok, allegory done.

[sevenbak]

Wow, that’s the most time I’ve spent on FR in weeks. I do miss it and you all! Time for me to go back and crawl under my rock again. See ya all later.

[ColdSteelTalon]

Are you telling me that the Mormons teachings are the same as whats in the Bible? Is that what you saying? Or are you just being absurd?

[sevenbak]

King James version, unchanged. It’s part of our regular canon. In fact, I now must run because I have to go teach a Sunday School lesson from the New Testament. We interpret it differently, but we believe it to be the word of God, very much so.

Now, I’m out. Have a wonderful Sunday.

[Zakeet]

You wrote: Please be aware that anyone who quotes from the Tanners is quoting from someone who has sworn to destroy our church.

I try to post only accurate information about your church. While it is true the Tanners are Christians (and ex-LDS), I have found everything I used from their website to be abundantly annotated with quotations from both Mormon Scripture and Mormon Prophets.

However, in the interest of fairness, I will be glad to retract any erroneous information I cited. Will you please tell me where my sources are mistaken so I might take the appropriate action?

You wrote: Please pray about all you will be asked to read here, and follow the spirit.

Personally, I don't think that is wise in light of the following:

Most cults (notably Jehovah's Witnesses, Moonies, Christian Scientists and Hare Krishna's) tell followers and prospective adherents alike to ignore evidence, seek counsel regarding the truthfulness of their claims through prayer, and then rely on "feelings." Each cult has many sincere followers who testify that their belief is true because they prayed and felt it was right. I know you agree that each of these faiths is wrong … the inescapable conclusion is that their method does not work.

I think I know the reason. If I pray rather than seeking evidence, how can I be sure that it isn't the devil answering me? I remember reading somewhere that in Mormon temple ceremony, Adam prays to his heavenly father and three times he says, Oh God, hear the words of my mouth. It is also my understanding (and as a temple Mormon you can confirm this) that it is none other than Lucifer who answers his prayer. Doesn't your own temple ceremony make it clear the devil is capable of answering prayer?

I think this is why the Mormon Church invites prospective members such as myself to undertake a critical examination. Specifically:

In May of 1873, Brigham Young said, I say to the whole world, receive the truth, no matter who presents it to you. Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-day Saints with it, and see if it will stand the test … I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by Him … let every man and woman know themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates or not. This has been my exhortation continually. (From the Journal of Discourses, 16:46, as cited by Harold B. Lee, Conference Report, October 1950, pp. 129-130).

President Hugh B. Brown, a member of the LDS First Presidency in recent years, told an audience at Brigham Young University, We are not so much concerned whether your thoughts are orthodox or heterodox as we are that you shall have thoughts … while all members should respect, support, and heed the teaching of the Authorities of the Church, no one should accept a statement and base his testimony upon it, no matter who makes it, until he has, under mature examination found it to be true and worthwhile; then his logical deductions may be confirmed by the spirit of revelation to his spirit because real conversion must come from within. (Dialogue, Summer 1984, p. 15).

I think the ability of Satan to answer prayer is one reason Christians are taught not to rely on prayer and feelings as a replacement for valid evidence. This is not to suggest that we should not be in prayer during a testing process. But prayer should not be the test. Instead, we are told to pray for guidance as to what to look for and where to look concerning what is being said.

[safisoft]

But then again, most of the Old and New Testament names aren’t pronounced as they originally were. Including the name Jesus. Well, pronounciation is one thing, outright made up names are something else. What is laughable is people thinking that they have added an aire of authenticity by using a name like "Jehovah" when in fact, they reveal that they are either ignorant or charlatans.

For the record, "Jesus" is a concoction that comes from transliterating "Yeshua" or "Yehoshua" into Greek letters, and then adding the masculine decilination (the "s" sound) at the end. There are no "J"s in Hebrew. But again, at least it is an attempt to take the Hebrew name and bring it into the venacular. Using "Jehovah" is simply silly.

[Old Mountain man]

I see you are one of those who hates so much you have to twist the truth into a lie to try to make points against us. Down boy!

[fish hawk]

Even if you did away with all the articles and books etc. that reveal Mormon doctrine, you still have the problem of Joseph Smith the false prophet and circus ringmaster to deal with. Why not just bypass that charlatan and go straight to the Lord and the original Bible not the altered one the Mormons made up.

[Gamecock]

The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8: p. 115)

“Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers” (Mormon Doctrine,” by Bruce McConkie, p. 547)
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Jesus is the literal spirit-brother of Lucifer, a creation. (Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15)

[Grig]

I wasn’t quoting anybody, I was just offseting a common phrase to indicate it being used as a kind of metaphor. If I was quoting someone I would have used “ and “.

[Domandred]

The Bible was rewritten because it was “flawed” according to Mormons.

The Bible was rewritten and recompiled LONG before the LDS church came around. The rewriting and translating of the Bible continues even today. Both of these are true even without the LDS Church being around.

The Bible is also flawed and in error with itself in many cases with looking only at the Bible and without the LDS Church being around.

[Domandred]

pologomy is still practiced by many Mormons.

FALSE.

Those that practice polygamy are NOT LDS Members. They have been excommunicated and disavowed and should not be confused with the actual Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.