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Romney's "Faith of his Fathers" - His Church leaders speak out about Jesus Christ.
lds.org ^ | January, 2000 | LDS Church

Posted on 12/08/2007 11:30:00 AM PST by sevenbak

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At this time of year as we celebrate the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, let me share with you what Romney believes about the Savior. Lot's of bad things are said about the LDS faith, most of it innacurate or out of context. Here is a brief statement of the words of the apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. This was stated at the turn of the millennium in 2000, but is worth repeating in light of all the Mitt Romney scuttlebutt as of late. Merry Christmas to all and may the peace Christ fill your homes this season.

Sevenbak

1 posted on 12/08/2007 11:30:02 AM PST by sevenbak
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To: asparagus; Austin1; bcbuster; beaversmom; bethtopaz; BlueAngel; Bluestateredman; borntoraisehogs; ..

Mitt Ping to a Merry Christmas message of hope.

God bless!


2 posted on 12/08/2007 11:31:52 AM PST by sevenbak (Wise men still seek Him.)
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To: sevenbak

for later.


3 posted on 12/08/2007 11:31:58 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sevenbak

4 posted on 12/08/2007 11:36:02 AM PST by Spiff (“Dear Wayne, My desire is that you be released from prison." - Gov. Mike Huckabee to Wayne DuMond)
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To: colorcountry; FastCoyote; MHGinTN; Pan_Yans Wife; svcw; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; Colofornian; ...

Pingaling...Silver Bells!


5 posted on 12/08/2007 11:38:53 AM PST by greyfoxx39 (Romney, fooled TWICE by a Columbian gardener...what kind of discernment for POTUS is this?)
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To: sevenbak
Sugar coating lDS doesn’t change the fact that it is not Christian. The Bible was rewritten because it was “flawed” according to Mormons. One of those “flaws” was polygamy. Even though the New Testament is CLEAR on one woman for one man for marriage, the founder of this cult insisted on polygamy that is still practiced today by some. Other LDS churches stopped in when the U.S. Supreme Court deemed polygamy UNCHRISTIAN and made it against the law.

The Book of Mormon and the Pearl of Great Covenant are more important than the “flawed” Bible in the Mormon religion. Trying to whitewash these facts is ridiculous.

BTW, people aren’t turning away from Mitt because of his “religion” - they don’t like his LIBERAL leanings and flip-flops. If he wants to make himself into a “victim” because he wants to be a Mormon - so be it! He id NOT addressing the real reasons people don’t want him as their next President. No sympathy for a liberal trying to buy the election here ... don’t want Mitt as my next President.

6 posted on 12/08/2007 11:39:19 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: nmh
Merry Christmas to you too. This will not be a debate by me, but an expression of my love for the savior, and what I can only assume to me a belief held by Mitt as well.

Feel free to disagree, I won’t be arguing here, just posting this. Life is too busy and short.

God Bless

7 posted on 12/08/2007 11:43:15 AM PST by sevenbak (Wise men still seek Him.)
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To: nmh

For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.

-Emphasis mine

God bless.


8 posted on 12/08/2007 12:01:49 PM PST by VolFan008 (Wounded....but bleeding Orange! ~Nashvillian looking eastward (Anyone but Huck and Rudy!))
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To: Spiff

“We bare testimony, as his duly ordained Apostles”

Except they aren’t my Apostles, I consider them more like corporate board of directors, so their Testimony has no inspirational weight. And the D&C means nothing to me as a scripture. So while many of the sentiments can be acknowledged, it is the same old attempt to slide the camel’s nose under the tent.


9 posted on 12/08/2007 12:14:27 PM PST by FastCoyote
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To: sevenbak
It's good and well people of LDS love Jesus, but what most of you fail to realize is Mormon precepts are antithetical to what Jesus taught about who he is and what he expects from his inherited children.

And as far as your charlatanific prophet J, Smith goes, he can not be God's prophet because his prophecies have failed and the Mormon Church knows this!

Ignor your tainted history and ever changing outrageous claims of the Mormon church at your own peril.

10 posted on 12/08/2007 12:16:13 PM PST by sirchtruth (No one has the RIGHT not to be offended...)
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To: sevenbak
I always smile when I see the non-Hebrew word "Jehovah." It is a concoction dating from the 16th Century, caused by people ignorant of scribal notations in the Masoretic text of the Hebrew Scriptures. The "Name" is unpronouncable in modern Hebrew, and the scribal notes (which are called "kerev kativ") are vowel notations added between the 6th and 10th Century to tell the reader that they should not attempt to pronouce the Name as it is written, but instead to say aloud the Hebrew word for "L-rd." Igorance not only led people to say the word out loud, they completely misread the letters in the Name, which are only four, a Yod, a Hay, a Vav, and a Hay (and without the vowels, the pronunciation is lost). There are no letters that make up the nonsensical "Jehovah." Just another dubious part of many English translations, and obviously the "Book of Mormon."

Of course, all anyone had to do was ask a Jewish sofer [scribe], they could have told them right away that there is no such name as "Jehovah" - nor is there any way to pronouce such a word in Hebrew with the four letters supplied in the Name.
11 posted on 12/08/2007 12:17:30 PM PST by safisoft (Give me Torah!)
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To: sevenbak
In the modern world, He and His Father appeared to the boy Joseph Smith, ushering in the long-promised “dispensation of the fulness of times”

It sounds just like any other Christian manifesto until you get to this part, the fly in the ointment. This is "doctrine of demons" stuff.

12 posted on 12/08/2007 12:31:15 PM PST by bubbacluck
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To: nmh

I don’t think there’s time now to look for the perfect candidate. What Mitt said about religion satisfied me.

I know Mormonism is off the wall, but I like Mitt Romney compared to the other candidates, and this upcoming election is going to be choosing the least of the evils. That’s probably what most elections have been about.


13 posted on 12/08/2007 12:33:01 PM PST by RoadTest ("It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law. - Psalm 119:26)
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To: nmh

I don’t think there’s time now to look for the perfect candidate. What Mitt said about religion satisfied me.

I know Mormonism is off the wall, but I like Mitt Romney compared to the other candidates, and this upcoming election is going to be choosing the least of the evils. That’s probably what most elections have been about.


14 posted on 12/08/2007 12:33:37 PM PST by RoadTest ("It is time for thee, LORD, to work: for they have made void thy law. - Psalm 119:26)
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To: sirchtruth

“It’s good and well people of LDS love Jesus, but what most of you fail to realize is Mormon precepts are antithetical to what Jesus taught about who he is and what he expects from his inherited children.
And as far as your charlatanific prophet J, Smith goes, he can not be God’s prophet because his prophecies have failed and the Mormon Church knows this!

Ignor your tainted history and ever changing outrageous claims of the Mormon church at your own peril.”

You’re absolutely right!

I find it even more disgusting that Mitt is using his “religion” as the reason people don’t want him for President. It’s not about his cultist religion - it’s all about his liberal leanings and flip-flops.

If people think Mormonism is “Christian” then they don’t know their Bible.

Yes, they conveniently forget about Joseph Smith’s revelation about pologomy as being the way to go since the Bible is in err. Smith is a false prophet. Mormonism has been evolving over time ... and it’s not in a Christian direction.


15 posted on 12/08/2007 12:35:27 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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In the modern world, He and His Father appeared to the boy Joseph Smith, ushering in the long-promised “dispensation of the fulness of times”

It sounds just like any other Christian manifesto until you get to this part, the fly in the ointment.


As a non-Christian, I'm curious about why this is a problem. Isn't Christ supposed to appear to Christians?
16 posted on 12/08/2007 12:38:22 PM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: nmh
> ...the U.S. Supreme Court deemed polygamy UNCHRISTIAN and made it against the law.

It did? Gee, I had no idea that the US Supreme Court was authorized to rule on matters of Christian dogma. We at FR would object strenuously if it tried to. Moreover, SCOTUS doesn't make things legal or illegal, it rules on the constitutionality of laws made by the legislative bodies (e.g. Congress). Again, we here at FR are -against- courts legislating from the bench, right?

Instead, I thought that to become a state, Utah had to officially ban polygamy in its state constitution:

...During the 1870s and 1880s, laws were passed to punish polygamists, and in the 1890 Manifesto, the LDS Church banned polygamy. When Utah applied for statehood again, it was accepted. One of the conditions for granting Utah statehood was that a ban on polygamy be written into the state constitution. This was a condition required of other western states that were admitted into the Union later. Statehood was officially granted on January 4, 1896... [from the Wikipedia page on Utah]
Indeed, the SCOTUS ruling on polygamy specifically said it was NOT about religious belief, but only the practice:
... 1879 unanimous Supreme Court Reynolds v. United States decision declared that polygamy was not protected by the Constitution, based on the longstanding legal principle that "laws are made for the government of actions, and while they cannot interfere with mere religious belief and opinions, they may with practices..." [Wikipedia page on polygamy]
It says nothing about SCOTUS deeming polygamy un-Christian.

So, can you provide a link, please, to an official source (e.g. a SCOTUS ruling) that describes how and when "the U.S. Supreme Court deemed polygamy UNCHRISTIAN and made it against the law"? Thanks.

17 posted on 12/08/2007 12:44:01 PM PST by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
As a non-Christian, I'm curious about why this is a problem. Isn't Christ supposed to appear to Christians?

No, he isn't supposed to appear to Christians. The Bible says that many would come in the last days saying they were the Christ, and would appear as angels. Believers were warned to not pay any attention to the counterfeit Christs as they were demons masquerading as "Christ".

18 posted on 12/08/2007 12:44:24 PM PST by bubbacluck
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To: dayglored

Check the U.S. Supreme Court decision on this. Clearly you don’t know what you are talking about.

It was CLEARLY aimed at Mormons openly practicing pologomy. Chritsians didn’t want pologomy in the U.S.. That is WHY pologomy is against the law, however Mormaons in Utah, wink at that and pologomy is still practiced by many Mormons.


19 posted on 12/08/2007 12:49:04 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: dayglored
Check the U.S. Supreme Court decision on this. Clearly you don’t know what you are talking about.

It was CLEARLY aimed at Mormons openly practicing polygamy. Christians didn’t want polygamy in the U.S.. That is WHY polygamy is against the law, however Mormons in Utah, wink at that and polygamy is still practiced by many Mormons.

20 posted on 12/08/2007 12:49:38 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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