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Anti-War General Flip Flops on the Surge
American Thinker ^ | 12-9-07 | Rick Moran

Posted on 12/09/2007 10:14:51 AM PST by smoothsailing

December 09, 2007

Anti-War General Flip Flops on the Surge

Rick Moran

One of the Iraq War's harshest military critics, retired General John Batiste, has changed his mind and come out in support of the new counterinsurgency strategy.

In a joint Op-Ed in the Washington Post with Pete Hegseth, executive director of Vets for Freedom, Batiste, who was a board member of the anti-war group Votevets.org, gives some of his reasons for the change of heart:

First, the United States must be successful in the fight against worldwide Islamic extremism. We have seen this ruthless enemy firsthand, and its global ambitions are undeniable. This struggle, the Long War, will probably take decades to prosecute. Failure is not an option.

Second, whether or not we like it, Iraq is central to that fight. We cannot walk away from our strategic interests in the region. Iraq cannot become a staging ground for Islamic extremism or be dominated by other powers in the region, such as Iran and Syria. A premature or precipitous withdrawal from Iraq, without the requisite stability and security, is likely to cause the violence there -- which has decreased substantially but is still present -- to cascade into an even larger humanitarian crisis.

Third, the counterinsurgency campaign led by Gen. David Petraeus is the correct approach in Iraq. It is showing promise of success and, if continued, will provide the Iraqi government the opportunities it desperately needs to stabilize its country.

Michael Goldfarb sums up the significance of the switch: There are two stories here: 1) A formerly anti-war general flips on supporting the war, and now believes Petraeus has the right strategy; and 2) Batiste has left VoteVets.org, and the antiwar movement, and joined up with the pro-troop, pro-surge, pro-victory Vets for Freedom.

The antiwar movement has lost one of its most powerful voices today, and it will be interesting to see whether they turn on one of their own, or come around to the view, supported by a preponderance of evidence, that the surge is working.

It is doubtful that Batiste's former colleagues at VoteVets will change their positions given that they are based on wild conspiracy theories on why we are fighting the war and a healthy dose of Bush hatred. Nevertheless, the defection of one of their highest profile military officers is extremely significant.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: batiste; flipflops; johnbatiste; surge; v4f; vetsforfreedom; votevets; votevetsorg
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1 posted on 12/09/2007 10:14:55 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
Oh, yeah....wait until it's clearly working...then support it.

Now, why didn't I think of that?

2 posted on 12/09/2007 10:16:43 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: Allegra
Tiny minds think alike. Even the Dems have folded.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 12/09/2007 10:18:01 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: smoothsailing
Stunning reversal!

This is an important part that I hope is not missed...

Ultimately, however, these military gains must be cemented with regional and global diplomacy, political reconciliation, and economic recovery -- tools yet sufficiently utilized. Today's tactical gains in Iraq -- while a necessary pre-condition for political reconciliation -- will crumble without a deliberate and comprehensive strategy.

4 posted on 12/09/2007 10:18:38 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: smoothsailing

I’m sure this will be reported in the MSM.


5 posted on 12/09/2007 10:19:31 AM PST by enough_idiocy (www.daypo.net/test-iraq-war.html)
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To: smoothsailing
it will be interesting to see whether they turn on one of their own, or come around to the view, supported by a preponderance of evidence, that the surge is working

Anybody wanna make a bet on which course the antiwar crackpots will take??

6 posted on 12/09/2007 10:19:49 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Gondring
The all purpose escape hatch for the Cut N Run Crowd.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

7 posted on 12/09/2007 10:19:51 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Allegra
Oh, yeah....wait until it's clearly working...then support it. Now, why didn't I think of that?

Real courage.

8 posted on 12/09/2007 10:21:01 AM PST by Always Right
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To: smoothsailing

Alright Murtha, we’re waiting on you, moron!


9 posted on 12/09/2007 10:21:21 AM PST by PROCON (Merry CHRISTmas!!)
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To: smoothsailing

Gen. John, we hardly knew ye.

Actually, we don’t care to.


10 posted on 12/09/2007 10:21:26 AM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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To: Gondring
these military gains must be cemented with regional and global diplomacy, political reconciliation, and economic recovery --

Today's tactical gains in Iraq -- while a necessary pre-condition for political reconciliation -- will crumble without a deliberate and comprehensive strategy.

We, the transition teams are already heavily engaged in that. Strategy is already developed and being implemented.

And the Iraqis are coming right along.

Sorry, libs. :-)

11 posted on 12/09/2007 10:24:07 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

One has to only remember Representative Brian Baird (D Wa) to come to the answer on how this will be received by the leftist moonbats.


12 posted on 12/09/2007 10:24:20 AM PST by DakotaRed (Liberals don't rattle sabers, they wave white flags)
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To: smoothsailing

Chickens coming home.


13 posted on 12/09/2007 10:24:44 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: Allegra
Oh, yeah....wait until it's clearly working...then support it.

Now, that's leadership!

14 posted on 12/09/2007 10:27:48 AM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: Allegra

I’m not impressed w/ Batiste.


15 posted on 12/09/2007 10:28:13 AM PST by sauropod (Welcome to O'Malleyland. What's in your wallet?)
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To: Allegra

If it took longer to implement than it takes to heat up a bag of microwave popcorn, then it was obviously all screwed up by total incompetents and can never be salvaged....

at least according to those who willingly bend over to be punked by those who preach our defeat.

PS. Thanks for doing what you do. Civilian contractors don’t get near the respect they should.


16 posted on 12/09/2007 10:28:22 AM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Allegra
IMO, the Iraqi government is being built from the ground up. At the local level people are working hard to make things happen. What is going on in Baghdad today could be largely irrelevant a year from now. The names and faces of the national government will change because the grass roots will demand it.

The Iraqi people have tasted freedom in sufficient amounts now to know they don't want to go back to the old way.

17 posted on 12/09/2007 10:30:09 AM PST by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is America's George Galloway?)
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To: smoothsailing

Anyone who would let himself be used as General Batiste did by the enemies of our country is not someone I admire.

Interesting question. Did he realize that he was WRONG, or is he, in fact, merely flip flopping with the wind and tide?

It will be interesting to watch and see if the Democrats now follow him, as an acknowledged expert in their eyes. Indeed, perhaps they suggested to him that he should make such a statement, in order to lead the way as an expert, and thus help them flip flop more gracefully.

Or will they now repudiate him? Stay tuned. Murtha, of course, went first, but he pretends to be an old and experienced veteran who knows all about military matters.


18 posted on 12/09/2007 10:34:26 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: smoothsailing

he should be one of Romney’s national security advisers.


19 posted on 12/09/2007 10:37:38 AM PST by ari-freedom (Happy Chanuka! It’s just another ordinary miracle today.)
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To: smoothsailing

General Batiste = Monday Morning Quarterback General


20 posted on 12/09/2007 10:43:18 AM PST by MCH
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To: gov_bean_ counter
The Iraqi people have tasted freedom in sufficient amounts now to know they don't want to go back to the old way.

We're not teaching them the old way. We're teaching them how to integrate into the current global market. ;-)

21 posted on 12/09/2007 10:43:44 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: Grimmy
PS. Thanks for doing what you do. Civilian contractors don’t get near the respect they should.

Thank you. Some Ron Paul fans here on FR despise us and call us war profiteers.

I don't know about others, but with me, it's a labor of love and I am honored and grateful to be given an opportunity to witness and participate in this. :)

22 posted on 12/09/2007 10:46:29 AM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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Quote from the general...

Over a year and a half ago, I made a gut-wrenching decision to leave the Army in order to speak out about the war in Iraq. I turned my back on over 31 years of service and what by all accounts would have been a great career. I realized that I was in a unique position to speak out on behalf of Soldiers and their families. I had a moral obligation and duty to do so. My family and I left the only life we knew and entered the political debate. As a two-time combat veteran, I understand the value of thorough planning and deliberate execution. I understand what it takes to win. As a life-long Republican, I am prepared to carry on with the debate for as long as necessary. I have been speaking out for the past 17 months and there is no turning back.


23 posted on 12/09/2007 10:49:38 AM PST by OCMike
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To: smoothsailing

I would be willing to bet Batiste’s former soldiers have one finger for him. Bastiste, a no convictions general, should not be trusted. He sold his soul to the democrats and spouted their talking points for two years. Now that we are winning beyond a doubt, he wants back on the train. Sorry, it is full with loyal riders.


24 posted on 12/09/2007 10:50:54 AM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul makes Jimmy Carter look tough and Dennis Kucinich look sane.)
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To: smoothsailing

This does not speak well for a General officer, active or retired. To base your policy on the way the wind blows shows a lack of character and commitment, especially on this issue.


25 posted on 12/09/2007 10:55:43 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: Allegra; smoothsailing
Exactly Allegra. He is doing what some one our side have done, behave cowardly when the going gets tough and come up in support of the going when things are good. Notice how many freepers behaved in such disgusting manner. It is very unfortunate but that is the truth.

Victory has many fathers but defeat is an orphan.

26 posted on 12/09/2007 10:56:36 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: smoothsailing
I would like to add, like the democrats, Batiste gave aid and comfort to the enemy by giving them encouragement to carry on with the fight because we were losing and they were winning. How many American troops, coalition soldiers and Iraqi's lost their lives by this encouragement?
27 posted on 12/09/2007 10:57:47 AM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul makes Jimmy Carter look tough and Dennis Kucinich look sane.)
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To: Allegra

Thanks for this post, Allegra and thanks again for what you do, that sounds very encouraging.


28 posted on 12/09/2007 10:59:01 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: jveritas
"Victory has many fathers but defeat is an orphan."

Amen JV, amen. Could not have been said better buddy.
29 posted on 12/09/2007 10:59:05 AM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul makes Jimmy Carter look tough and Dennis Kucinich look sane.)
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To: smoothsailing; jveritas; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; ...

Iraq ping.


30 posted on 12/09/2007 10:59:10 AM PST by elhombrelibre (GEN Petraeus is MAN of the YEAR. Ron Paul is the Jane Fonda of the year.)
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To: smoothsailing

Victory has many fathers, failure is an orphan.


31 posted on 12/09/2007 11:02:15 AM PST by Malsua
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To: jrooney; elhombrelibre
"Victory has many fathers but defeat is an orphan."

This saying cannot be more correct than any other time as we have witnessed in the last 9 months since the tide of the war in Iraq has greatly turned in our favor.

32 posted on 12/09/2007 11:04:42 AM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: jveritas

The democrats are going to have problems sleeping in the bed they made.


33 posted on 12/09/2007 11:06:00 AM PST by jrooney (Ron Paul makes Jimmy Carter look tough and Dennis Kucinich look sane.)
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To: smoothsailing; Allegra
General Batiste has been bouncing around for a few years now. Needs a new job.......maybe as a consultant at Fox.

Aloha Smooth and Allegra!
34 posted on 12/09/2007 11:08:13 AM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny.)
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To: Allegra
Oh, yeah....wait until it's clearly working...then support it. Now, why didn't I think of that?

Only General Batiste can show such courage. /s

35 posted on 12/09/2007 11:11:18 AM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...

Bump (x 35) and a Ping


36 posted on 12/09/2007 11:33:27 AM PST by freema
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To: jazusamo
This does not speak well for a General officer

Great commanders never speak in a negative way while the troops are in harms way, especially when things are going badly.

"There are not enough Chinamen in the world that can stop a fully armed Marine regiment"

Col. Chesty Puller, when 60,000 Chinese troops surrounded the 1st Marines at Chosin.

37 posted on 12/09/2007 11:36:25 AM PST by Griddlee
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To: enough_idiocy
"I’m sure this will be reported in the MSM."

Batisye was all over the news when he came out against the effort.

It would be interesting to google the General then and now and see the difference in the amount of coverage. IIRC, Hillary was quoting this guy a lot when in April and May she was still saying there was "no change" in strategy.

38 posted on 12/09/2007 11:38:57 AM PST by cookcounty (Ja-pan Jack Murtha, The ex-Marine who thinks Okinawa is on his Middle East map.)
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To: smoothsailing

Eating crow ...


39 posted on 12/09/2007 11:39:17 AM PST by Chad_the_Impaler
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To: Chad_the_Impaler

Just further proof that, “Success has a thousand fathers, but failure is an orphan.”


40 posted on 12/09/2007 11:49:44 AM PST by appeal2 (r)
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To: Griddlee
Col. Chesty Puller, when 60,000 Chinese troops surrounded the 1st Marines at Chosin.

And Col. Chesty Puller was correct. I have a friend who is a survivor of the Chosin and just this morning I stumbled on an article about another survivor in a small town paper in Eastern Oregon.

One of the ‘Chosin' few

41 posted on 12/09/2007 11:53:42 AM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.com)
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To: smoothsailing
National politics is such a sleazy arena hardly anyone can enter without being soiled. James Webb of Virginia was someone I admired for years. We served in the same battalion in Vietnam. It is pathetic that Webb, Anthony Zinni, Batiste, and others have debased themselves by adopting a defeatist line for the promise of political power.
42 posted on 12/09/2007 11:56:41 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: smoothsailing

Something that no one brings up - is the Speech that President Bush gave right after 9/11.
Something to the affect that it will not be an easy quick fix, we won’t be told what is happening and we should keep the faith.

We have a lazy lazy media. Young people that have been handed everything from birth that is so used to instant gratification has also fallen for the Clinton liberal ploy.

On Friday afternoon the Clintons give stories to the media that allows the reporters to quickly file something so they can leave for the weekend.

This also allows the media to pay less and therefore get less. In order to make a profit they have removed the incentive of true investigative reporting.

Because most of them are liberals at heart, they don’t want to know the truth if it means going against their ideology. The front page of the Washington Post, LA Times and New York Times is like a running advertisment for the liberals.

Are there any investigate reporters left?


43 posted on 12/09/2007 12:00:55 PM PST by ODDITHER
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To: smoothsailing
Was he really anti-war ? or was he anti-administration strategy ?

"...we went to war with a flawed plan that didn't account for the hard work to build the peace after we took down the regime. We also served under a secretary of defense who didn't understand leadership, who was abusive, who was arrogant, and who didn't build a strong team."

"I think the current administration repeatedly ignored sound military advice and counsel with respect to the war plans."

"Donald Rumsfeld is still at the helm of the Department of Defense, which is absolutely outrageous. He served up our great military a huge bowl of chicken feces, and ever since then, our military and our country have been trying to turn this bowl into chicken salad. And it’s not working.

"The military is a reflection of society, and because of that there is always a percentage of soldiers, Marines, airmen and sailors who get it terribly wrong." I also think the people of Iraq respect the U.S. military and will keep that in perspective. They'll appreciate the way we investigate and hold people accountable."

"Standing up a war czar is just throwing in another layer of bureaucracy. Excuse me -- we have a chain of command already and it's time for our leaders to step up and take charge."
44 posted on 12/09/2007 12:12:45 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: All; Allegra; Anita1

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http://www.Freerepublic.com/~aloharonnie/

http://www.Freerepublic.com/~anita1/

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45 posted on 12/09/2007 12:21:13 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; Anita1
GREAT home pages - both of you.

God bless America and her troops.

46 posted on 12/09/2007 12:33:04 PM PST by Allegra (Greetings from a kinder, gentler Iraq. God bless US and Coalition Forces.)
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To: jveritas; jrooney; elhombrelibre
>>>"Victory has many fathers but defeat is an orphan." <<<

Evidently Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are intent on being parents of an orphan.

That so many Democrats, Democrat presidental candidates included, join them has the potential of a national disaster of unthinkable proportions.

47 posted on 12/09/2007 12:37:05 PM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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To: HardStarboard

Exactly.


48 posted on 12/09/2007 12:39:55 PM PST by jveritas (God bless our brave troops and President Bush)
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To: smoothsailing

Thanks and bookmark for later head explosive action

lol


49 posted on 12/09/2007 12:45:19 PM PST by Leofl (I'm from Texas, we don't dial 9-11)
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To: smoothsailing

General Batiste, we want to - have to - win this war. We are pleased to have you back.


50 posted on 12/09/2007 12:49:04 PM PST by mtntop3
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