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I have a suggestion for dealing with this moral dilemma. Instead of wrestling with the metaphysical task of determining whether robots, dogs or dolphins have souls, why don't we look at rights from a different perspective? -- A right is a sanction against another person or entity. For example, the Bill of Rights is a list of prohibitions that the state must not violate. Likewise, instead of, "Those with souls have a right to life" the commandment is "Though shalt not kill".

Farm animals don't have a "right to life" but if we find a young boy torturing a chicken, he is disciplined for it -- not for the sake of the chicken, but for our own good. We simply cannot tolerate people in society who take pleasure in the misery of other living things. Otherwise the boy might direct his murderous tastes to his own kind.

1 posted on 12/13/2007 7:02:29 AM PST by Dan Evans
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In the last month, Japanese scientists have unveiled robots capable of serving food and even playing the violin and trumpet.

My computer can play CDs, and my microwave prepares food. Does that mean they have rights?

What an ass.

2 posted on 12/13/2007 7:04:48 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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Only if those rights extend to my toaster and iPod.

One electronic is equal to any other.


3 posted on 12/13/2007 7:05:05 AM PST by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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Q. When does artificial intelligence demand humane treatment?

A. Never.

Even posing this question opens the curtain on the irrational projection of human identities onto creatures and things which are not human.


6 posted on 12/13/2007 7:05:56 AM PST by BenLurkin
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Scientists are unwilling to define WHEN life begins so as to further justify the selfish act of infanticide that is abortion.

Some also have a god complex and want to believe that they have created LIFE so to treat their creation with RESPECT, they want to have Scientist given RIGHTS for robots.

Only now waiting for them to force the robots to love them “or else”.


7 posted on 12/13/2007 7:06:31 AM PST by weegee (If Bill Clinton can sit in on Hillary's Cabinet Meetings then GWBush should ask to get to sit in too)
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Why don’t we wait until a robot asks us, unprompted, about it?


10 posted on 12/13/2007 7:08:43 AM PST by SampleMan (We are a free and industrious people. Socialist nannies do not become us.)
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Machine rights.
Interesting.


14 posted on 12/13/2007 7:18:11 AM PST by Darksheare (Cannibal Soup, a meal within yourself.)
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A robot is just a collection of parts and a program. No program I ever wrote had or deserved rights of any kind. If we’re going to extend rights to a collection of parts, we might as well extend them to a single part. Or a frying pan.


15 posted on 12/13/2007 7:19:45 AM PST by LibWhacker (Democrats are phony Americans)
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Come on, come on - certainly there are some machines that deserve humane treatment. My girlfriend calls me The Love Machine, yet she overworks me and constantly overtaxes and abuses my mechanism; doesn’t that rate some sort of sanction?

Be kind to your fridge and it’ll be kind to you!


16 posted on 12/13/2007 7:22:23 AM PST by Jack Hammer (here)
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Right and before you know it they will be telling you

"F*** you @$$h0le"

17 posted on 12/13/2007 7:22:26 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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PETER — People for the ethichal treatement of every robot.’

It also describes in vulgar slang the type of people that would join such a group if it existed.


18 posted on 12/13/2007 7:32:01 AM PST by Greg F (Duncan Hunter is a good man.)
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The robots will have to demand their rights the same way we did with the Brits.


20 posted on 12/13/2007 7:47:31 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Government is the hired help - not the boss. When politicians forget that they must be fired.)
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I suppose the matter depends whether they’re considering moral or legal rights. Even corporations have legal rights, and they’re not exactly human.

On the other hand, moral rights that are not divinely given are rather arbitrary and meaningless, just a matter of taste. You might as well struggle over the notion that chocolate tastes better than vanilla.

I suppose some religions might allow full human rights to non-humans. Which one does the author rely on here?


21 posted on 12/13/2007 8:08:19 AM PST by rightwingcrazy
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Do robots deserve rights?

That is an easy one... NO.

Having Rights means also having Responsibilities. This is an often forgotten fact in our “I got Rights, man” society. But citizens being willing to take personal responsibility for their actions is an ESSENTIAL part of maintaining a civilized society where everyone has individual Rights.

When dogs, cats porpoises, robots and other non-human entities are equipped and willing to accept responsibility for themselves then, and only then, are they deserving of Rights.


27 posted on 12/13/2007 8:24:33 AM PST by WayneS (Follow the 2nd Amendment; Repeal the 16th.)
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Atheists deny the soul – and by extension, they must deny the possibility of free will. If there is no supernatural element to human beings, we are merely genetic robots responding to our environment.

Non sequitur. It is known to be impossible, even in theory, to absolutely predict the position and velocity of a subatomic particle -- by the author's "reasoning" that means that subatomic particles are supernatural.

30 posted on 12/13/2007 8:53:02 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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Human beings have responsibilities because they have Godly souls. Robots do not have souls – they can never transcend their programming. Animals do not have souls – they cannot transcend their programming.

By this reasoning, a human who gives no outward sign of having "transcended his programming" (e.g. someone raised by bad parents who grows up to be a criminal thug) has no soul and may be treated as eighty kilos of meat that emits 310K blackbody radiation and greenhouse gases.

31 posted on 12/13/2007 8:55:53 AM PST by steve-b (Sin lies only in hurting others unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. --RAH)
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Do robots deserve rights? The question is less ridiculous than it sounds. As scientists develop ever more sophisticated robots, we are faced with an ethical dilemma: When does artificial intelligence demand humane treatment?

When they develop conciousness and intellect equal to a human mind .... give them freedom.

32 posted on 12/13/2007 8:56:09 AM PST by Centurion2000 (False modesty is as great a sin as false pride.)
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How about we look at it from an even DIFFERENT perspective, because, whether humans care to think about it or not, or realize it, there ARE other intelligences out there.

Some DAY we’re going to come face-to-face with another race of creatures who are intelligent, perhaps from another star system.

And, whether folks care to admit it or not, dolphins, whales, apes and some other animals exhibit great intelligence, perhaps not quite on par with humans, but definitely an intelligence.

So, it is a foregone conclusion that eventually robotic “entities” will exist, and they will have some sort of intelligence. (On the other hand, I know that my computer is very good at playing chess and beating me quite often, but I’ve no qualms about turning it off, because I understand it is a program with mathematical algorithms... which, theoretically is all our own minds are... but on a protein level rather than an electrical-digital level).


35 posted on 12/13/2007 12:55:09 PM PST by Rick.Donaldson (http://www.transasianaxis.com - Visit for lastest on DPRK/Russia/China/Etc --Fred Thompson for Prez.)
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Isaac Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics.
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
Later, Asimov added the Zeroth Law: "A robot may not harm humanity, or, by inaction, allow humanity to come to harm"; the rest of the laws are modified sequentially to acknowledge this.


38 posted on 12/13/2007 1:03:23 PM PST by Bratch (“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”)
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In general the concept of rights has not been successfully defined, not even in law. It’s fine to talk about rights, but realize that nobody knows the rules of the game.


42 posted on 12/13/2007 5:06:28 PM PST by RightWhale (anti-razors are pro-life)
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What an interesting topic.

I would support giving rights to an intelligent machine capable of making moral decisions, harboring desires, and shaping its own identity...if such a machine could be constructed.

I don't think a machine like that could ever be made, but then again I'm not very educated in computer science. Of course, the best minds in human history have been wrong when it comes to predicting the bounds of human achievement.

44 posted on 12/13/2007 5:41:56 PM PST by timm22 (Think critically)
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