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Faulty sub welds spur inspection of 4 carriers, 3 more subs
12/14/07

Posted on 12/15/2007 3:17:25 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: quikdrw; LasVegasMac

Or a pop machine.


61 posted on 12/16/2007 1:39:51 PM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Compartmentalization is a beautiful thing.
62 posted on 12/16/2007 1:45:07 PM PST by magslinger (cranky right-winger)
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To: lewislynn
I saw a show on how they are using computerized welders on ships now.

Supposedly, the welds are better because of all the monitoring of ambient air temp, material temp, torch temp, etc.

The computer will compensate as necessary to maintain the optimum welding process...

63 posted on 12/16/2007 1:50:46 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: Stonewall Jackson

The USS Detroit AOE-4 got the boilers from the Kentucky.


64 posted on 12/16/2007 1:56:46 PM PST by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: quikdrw
Actually, the boilers from Kentucky were provided to Detroit's sister-ships, Sacramento and Camden. When Iowa was reactivated for service off Vietnam, most of her engine room crew came from these two ships (as the Navy had switched from 600psi boilers to 1200psi boilers save for those on a handful of older ships). The same thing happened in the 1980's when all four Iowa-class battleships were reactivated and in need of engine room personnel.
65 posted on 12/16/2007 2:25:58 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
One of the History Channel shows was about a WWI era sub, the O-9, that was reactivated for training purposes in the early days of WWII.

At some point in its history, it was struck amidships, and repaired. Any way, it, along with two other O-class boats, was supposed to do a "deep" test dive off of Portsmouth, NH. It was last in line to go, and it didn't come back up.

I had an old neighbor that was in the Coast Guard back then, and he claimed to have been involved in the search a sub. I said the "Squalus", and he said, "no, another one".

So I guess he just wasn't telling a tale.

Then he tells me that the Squalus sank because the captain didn't give enough notice before diving the boat.

He claimed to have talked with one of the sailors from the Squalus and what really happened was that the cook opened a hatch to go out and dump the garbage. "They never found his body..."

66 posted on 12/16/2007 2:56:36 PM PST by Calvin Locke
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To: NavVet
Bag in my Sub days, we used to always take the welders to sea with
us for sea trials after any major welding job.


I understand there is a similar land-lubbers tradition in Russia:
bridge-builders AND their families have to stand under a new bridge
for the first day of operations.
67 posted on 12/16/2007 3:08:14 PM PST by VOA
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To: Stonewall Jackson

You are correct about the boilers and where they went.

Are you sure Iowa was active for Vietnam? I know that New Jersey was. New Jersey was so effect, that the North Vietnamese mentioned it by name at the Paris peace talks.


68 posted on 12/16/2007 4:54:48 PM PST by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: magslinger; sionnsar; Doohickey; SmithL; AFPhys

I notice that they painted a “FR” on the bow of that target.

Good thing, too.

Otherwise, the flyboys might be confused about which end is the front..... 8<)


69 posted on 12/16/2007 5:00:47 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: xrmusn

That might be the 698 boat: missing welds found for the 2nd platform (fwd) on the sound isolation hangers that hold the deck assy from the hull. 1980-81.

She was idly shining her flashlight on the deck hangers, and noticed shadows between the plate and the hull frames. But the welds had been both signed by the welder, the welder foreman, and the inspector(s) ... but were not there.


70 posted on 12/16/2007 5:04:59 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: quikdrw
Are you sure Iowa was active for Vietnam?

Arrgh! Yes, you are correct. It was the New Jersey that served off Vietnam. That's what I get for trying to type a post and watch a football game at the same time. The brain turns to mush.

71 posted on 12/16/2007 5:44:55 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: NavVet

Sounds reasonable to me. That ought to be SOP, and known up front to the welders.


72 posted on 12/16/2007 5:46:14 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: Doohickey
The biggest hole on the ship is about 28” in diameter.

On the original Polaris missile subs, it was even smaller - - 22" as I recall. The boats had three inertial navigation systems, which were too large to be loaded on board fully assembled. The gyros and accelerometers had to be aligned after installation to an accuracy of an arc-second or so. This was done by lapping the interface surfaces and checking the alignment with manually operated optical instruments. All this was before lasers were available for such precision work; it all depended on technicians working with their bare hands. (Accuracy of the ballistic missles was totally dependent on how well they did the alignment job).

73 posted on 12/16/2007 6:05:38 PM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: Calvin Locke
There were several US submarines lost in training accidents in WW2.

The O-9 was lost in 450 feet of water about fifteen miles off Portsmouth, New Hampshire (her crush depth was only 200 feet) with a crew of thirty-three officers and men. Her wreckage was located on September 20, 1997 and the team that located her reports that her hull is crushed from the conning tower all the way back to the stern.

The R-12 was a training submarine that the US was planning on donating to the Brazilian Navy. On June 12, 1943, the R-12 was conducting torpedo attack drills off Key West, Florida when her forward battery compartment began flooding. The crew attempted to blow ballast tanks to bring her to the surface, but their efforts were overcome by the flooding seawater, and she went down with forty Americans and two Brazilians.

The S-28 started the war as a combat submarine, serving mainly in the Aleutians where she sank the freighter Katsura Maru #2, before becoming a training submarine off Hawaii. On July 4, 1944, the S-28 was conducting anti-submarine training with the Coast Guard cutter Reliance when all contact was lost. An extensive search-and-rescue mission was launched, but the only thing they located was a large oil slick that came to the surface near S-28's last position a few days later. Fifty officers and crew went down with the S-28.

In addition, two submarines, the Tullibee and Tang were lost due to defects in their own torpedoes that caused the weapons to circle around and hit the subs. Tullibee went down with 79 of 80 men, while Tang was lost with 78 of 83 men.

74 posted on 12/16/2007 6:06:19 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (The Hunt for FRed November. 11/04/08)
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To: mylife
The best boats are made at Electric Boat in New London Pretty impressive to see them made, I did some work at the Boatyard back in the 70's and to watch some of the old timers in the Blacksmith shop make parts for the boats was fascinating. They would do all the bending of steel by Hand and Heat [no hydraulics] just huge steel mesh floor plates where they would stick the pry bars Heat up and bend the steel to whatever shape they needed. I still have some of the tools they made me [they had alot of time on hand between jobs]. A lot of the fittings were special made in the mold and casting shop, no way you could use a pipe or fitting from a plumbing supply house everything is made to EB's specs and mostly done right there. As a matter of fact you could not bring any pipe, steel or any welding rod into the plant for fear of it ending up being accidentally used.
75 posted on 12/16/2007 6:40:48 PM PST by ABN 505
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To: ABN 505

I saw the USS Ohio built and launched. Very impressive


76 posted on 12/16/2007 6:43:07 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: kc8ukw

They’ve been placed back in service for a couple of weeks now.


77 posted on 12/16/2007 6:50:51 PM PST by realpatriot (Some spelling errers entionally included!)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
I seem to remember that New Jersey sunk an island off of Vietnam.

My brother is a plank-owner on Iowa from when it was last commissioned. I was on the AE that loaded it when it came out of the yards. I flew over during the UN-REP and Vert-REP and he gave me a tour of the ship.

He was a Senior Chief, then. I thought it was pretty bad that Iowa had 9 Master Chiefs, then. I always one Master Chief was more than enough.

78 posted on 12/16/2007 6:56:39 PM PST by quikdrw (Life is tough....it's even tougher if you are stupid.)
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To: 19th LA Inf

I’m not sure about boomers, but on real submarines the weapon shipping hatch was larger to accommodate the uphaul cables and other rigging.


79 posted on 12/16/2007 8:25:19 PM PST by Doohickey (Giuliani: Brokeback Republican)
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To: quikdrw

....that Iowa had 9 Master Chiefs, then. I always one Master Chief was more than enough.....


Probably had so much ‘hashmarks’ aboard because it required the ‘old timers’ to operate much of the equipment.
I kind of recall that when the BB’s were off Lebanon they put the call out for former CW operators...


80 posted on 12/16/2007 10:31:04 PM PST by xrmusn
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