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Colorado Heroine May Have Been Legally Prevented from Using Beretta as Security Guard
Vanity | 16 December, 2007 | Marktwain

Posted on 12/16/2007 10:43:41 AM PST by marktwain

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To: Hazcat
Corbon .38 Special 110-gr. DPX Ammunition

121 posted on 12/16/2007 4:36:29 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: XeniaSt

My post was somewhat of a joke BUT I have found that the CorBons do not work as advertised in my P3AT. Zero expansion.

I use Silver Tips as that is what my personal testing has shown to be best penetrating and expanding. Now that Buffalo Bore is making .380 I am planning on giving them a try.

I already use their Heavy 45LC loads for hunting.


122 posted on 12/16/2007 4:41:50 PM PST by Hazcat (We won an immigration BATTLE, the WAR is not over. Be ever vigilant.)
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To: marktwain

The article explains two things.
First, her Beretta is most likely in 9mm, a lethal round, but it is known for it’s insufficient stopping power.
Second, that the State of Colorado is run by a bunch of nannies who are afraid that armed guards might actually be armed.


123 posted on 12/16/2007 4:48:17 PM PST by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: fella

Ping


124 posted on 12/16/2007 4:50:58 PM PST by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: XeniaSt

Not part of the CRS (Colorado Revised Statutes)= It looks like a local, city or county ordnance.


125 posted on 12/16/2007 4:53:42 PM PST by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: Steamburg; marktwain
Second, that the State of Colorado is run by a bunch of nannies who are afraid that armed guards might actually be armed.

What is being discussed in the article is a CITY ordinance for the city of Colorado Springs.

There is no state law covering the topic.


126 posted on 12/16/2007 4:54:51 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Luke Skyfreeper

Unless you are intending to run over him with an Abrams. Then 12 fps. is quite effective if he is only about 6 feet away.


127 posted on 12/16/2007 5:23:03 PM PST by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: claudiustg

Isn’t that “shoot till they stop (moving) or start decomposing”.


128 posted on 12/16/2007 5:25:10 PM PST by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: XeniaSt

Sorry, I should have been more clear, I did state that the restriction was a City or County Ordinance, but I also stated that I thought that Colorado Government had become a Nanny State. Those statements should probably not have appeared together. I still believe that the State and its subdivisions are moving rapidly toward an over regulated system designed to make California Transplants feel more at home.


129 posted on 12/16/2007 5:34:18 PM PST by Steamburg (Your wallet speaks the only language most politicians understand.)
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To: Deo volente

I bought a 92FS for my son. Best gun I ever bought. I’d target shoot against any pistol with it-ANY pistol.


130 posted on 12/16/2007 5:35:47 PM PST by mozarky2 (Ya never stand so tall as when ya stoop to stomp a statist!)
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To: CowboyConservative

It seems that practicing at a range is way different than being in a situation where someone’s shooting at you. And from what I read, she was approaching the shooter while firing.

I’ve never been in a situation where my life was in danger while shooting at a target. However, I have participated in shooting sports where stress is involved, specifically bowling pin and USPSA competitions. In some of those USPSA matches, there were somewhat stressful situations and in many cases, we had to engage targets while we were moving. We used to joke that one of our range masters was planning to start a match by hitting us with an electrical cattle prod. I understand how difficult it is to hit your target while under stress. And it’s even more difficult to do so while you’re moving. And, as I said, I did this knowing that I was in a controlled, safe environment.

And it’s a known fact that the vast majority of “well trained” people in her situation fire far more rounds than actually hit the target. It’s unfortunate, but true. Of course, I’m talking about both military and law enforcement here.

Mark


131 posted on 12/16/2007 5:36:38 PM PST by MarkL
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To: XeniaSt
I sure would not want to fire a compensated pistol in dim light.

You would be blinded by the flash.

That hasn't been my experience shooting at dimly lit ranges... Maybe it depends more on the powder and load used. But I've shot pistols with compensators for many years on relatively dark ranges, where the only light down range was a spotlight on the target, and it wasn't all that bright.

Mark

132 posted on 12/16/2007 5:42:33 PM PST by MarkL
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To: CowboyConservative

So how many gunfights have you won, Cowboy?


133 posted on 12/16/2007 6:00:02 PM PST by Nachoman (My guns and my ammo, they comfort me.)
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To: Steamburg
The city ordinance may have been put in place to provide
CO Sps Police with after hours work

134 posted on 12/16/2007 6:00:31 PM PST by Uri’el-2012 (you shall know that I, YHvH, your Savior, and your Redeemer, am the Elohim of Ya'aqob. Isaiah 60:16)
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To: Myrddin
I agree with the previous poster with respect to an S&W 686+ with 7 rounds. Seven rounds of .357 magnum from a 686+ would likely have been equally effective. We don't know enough from the article to say whether the Beretta was 9mm or 40 S&W. Apparently 10 rounds did the job.

True, however most states which have a legal requirement for liscenced security personnel to be armed with a revolver further specify that said revolver be no more powerful than a .38 Special, which is totally inadequate. (When I went through training for the Commonwealth of Virginia as a security officer, this was the case, and I suspect Colorado's statutes read similarly, if not identically.)

the infowarrior

135 posted on 12/16/2007 6:16:23 PM PST by infowarrior
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To: Steamburg
Unless you are intending to run over him with an Abrams. Then 12 fps. is quite effective if he is only about 6 feet away.

Yes, highly effective. Since an Abrams weighs at least 60 tons, it makes for a really good impact.

The down side is that an Abrams is rather large to be a good weapon for CCW.

136 posted on 12/16/2007 6:59:09 PM PST by Luke Skyfreeper
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To: Steamburg
Isn’t that “shoot till they stop (moving) or start decomposing”.

Doesn't emptying the magazine into attacker #1 mean that one will be unarmed against attacker #2?

137 posted on 12/16/2007 7:07:58 PM PST by supercat (Sony delenda est.)
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To: marktwain

The Lord protected her in more ways than one.


138 posted on 12/16/2007 7:15:15 PM PST by pray4liberty (The Truth sinks people whose only recourse is lies.)
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To: aruanan
The word is "implying". It's the one who is reading or hearing something that does the inferring. Furthermore, you can infer something without its ever having been implied.

Absolutely correct. My wife infers things that I never implied all the time. I've often used the old Barry Farber line "Please do not infer what I did not imply.

139 posted on 12/16/2007 7:23:16 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (If liberals were merely stupid then the laws of probability would dictate that at least some of thie)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
I've often used the old Barry Farber line "Please do not infer what I did not imply.

That's a good one. So, other women do that, too?
140 posted on 12/16/2007 7:31:45 PM PST by aruanan
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