Posted on 12/18/2007 9:01:41 AM PST by stockpirate
I for one am tired of Republicans who are not willing to treat the children of illegal aliens in the same manner as the Democrats.
Why is it that Republicans are so weak?
We need to just look at the treatment by the Clinton's ATF of the illigal aliens whose mother died bringing her son in from Cuba.
Did the Democrats say he should stay here in America?
Did they say he had certain rights under our laws and Constitution now that he was on our soil?
The answer is NO!
Clinton and the Democrats sent the ATF in in the dead of night and sent him back to their Hero-in-Chief Castro.
Please forgive if some of my sords are mis-spelled, I am mad as heck.
Looks like you’re going to stay mad for a while.
Let’s treat the children of illegal aliens in the same way that Democrats treat the children of the American middle class... They get notta.
No doubt I will. But maybe some media talking heads on the right will start to mention how the Democrats treated the little boy from Cuba and put this to rest.
We should treat illegal immigrant children the same way we treat Democrats?
Gosh, I don’t dislike the little guys that much.
“We should treat illegal immigrant children the same way we treat Democrats?
Gosh, I don’t dislike the little guys that much.”
I meant the same way the Democrats treat them. <]:-)
GREAT VANITY PING!
GOP bu** kissing mode disengaged.
Because it is a tough political football to handle. It’s easy to reason why things should be withheld from illegal aliens because after all, they are here illegally! But people as a whole become generally protective of childen, and it’s tough to sell something that strips benefits away from them, even if they are illegal.
I’d prefer we avoid that issue all together and work to ensure they don’t end up in this country in the first place, thus skirting the problem all together.
This is a good effort at a flailing try to move the ball toward home plate....if you know what I mean.
Then I guess we should be sending the children of illegal immigrants back to 123 Main St.
You are asking us to emulate a wrong? We can easily point out how cruel, even vicious, the Democrats were for expelling a helpless child from the arms of loving, legal relatives, into the clutches of a cold and murderous dictatorship.
But in all fairness, we should hold true to our feelings. If a Mexican family is in a similar situation, we should want them to have the outcome denied to the little Cuban boy.
Many Mexican-American families are divided between legal and illegal residents. The legal family members have roots in the US. They own businesses and homes, they have jobs, and their children go to school here. They are citizens, and want to remain citizens. The husband may be legal, and the wife not. Some children may be legal, and others not.
But even back in the days of slavery, we realized that breaking up a slave family was just wrong. No matter what reason we give, if it is at all possible, the state should respect the family. And if slaves, the least of our people, should have their family respected, we should do the same for free people, even if they are only half citizens and half not.
It is written into our constitution itself that if a child is born here, they are automatically a US citizen, if they choose to remain one. And more than anything else, this was done to avoid even the prospect of breaking up families.
Now there are a lot of Mexican families that not even a single family member is a citizen, nor have they made any effort to become a citizen. If they are not, nor do not desire to become citizens, then they are and should remain foreign aliens, and subject to those rules.
But I cannot countenance forcing a family with at least one American citizen, to choose between deporting that legal citizen or breaking up their family.
For me, this is like deporting people convicted of a crime. For even though a jury may sentence me to death, they cannot as easily force me to surrender my citizenship. I may die, but I will not die a “foreigner”.
Elian Gonzalez should not have been forced back to Cuba. His mother gave her life to take him from that Hell, to live with relatives in the US. Her wishes should have been respected, and their family not divided.
The flailing is getting increasingly irrational. Just the other day someone told me that the government was going to take my house if they were allowed to punish companies that knowingly hire illegals.
There are probably 100 pre-schools and day cares within a mile of my house. I drive 60 miles a day to put my kid in a pre-school where the majority of the kids speak English. When my daughter starts school next September I will have moved to a neighborhood that is not 90 percent Mexican.
[... This is a good effort at a flailing
try to move the ball toward home plate...]
I’m aghast that I “FORGOT” about Elian Gonzales.
I’m aghast that I have fallen prey to MSM mind control.
I’m aghast that I “CAUGHT” Hillary’s forgetfulness.
Stockpirate makes an observation that I hope
will be used in the fight against invasion.
[...You are asking us to emulate a wrong?...]
You are missing the point, Pop.
The reason they sent Elian back was because his father was back in Cuba and he made public statements, possibly coerced, that he wanted his son back.
That may not be the best reason to send him back, but it was not a deportation for violation of immigration law.
That's what jets are for, and Mexico isn't exactly on the other side of the world. They can visit each other for vacations and holidays if the legal part of the family insists on staying in the US. If they really want to live together, nothing is stopping them from all moving to Mexico.
The legal family members have roots in the US. They own businesses and homes, they have jobs, and their children go to school here. They are citizens, and want to remain citizens. The husband may be legal, and the wife not. Some children may be legal, and others not.
If they want to stay together, they can all move south of the border. Nothing's stopping them. If they want to put economic opportunity above family, that's their choice.
But even back in the days of slavery, we realized that breaking up a slave family was just wrong.
Big difference. Mexican legal US residents have a choice of whether to leave their families. Slaves did not.
It is written into our constitution itself that if a child is born here, they are automatically a US citizen, if they choose to remain one.
Nope. It's written that a child born in the US, and subject to the jurisdiction thereoff, is a citizen. That clause which you conveniently forget (like most leftists), was explicitly added so that US-born children of people who are not legal permantent residents, like diplomats, travelers passing through the country, and illegal aliens, would not be given citizenship.
Unfortunately, SCOTUS has mangled the meaning the 14th Amendemnt to something other than what was originally intended, as it's done with much of the rest of the constitution. That, however, will change once we get another originalist like Scalia appointed to the bench.
And more than anything else, this was done to avoid even the prospect of breaking up families.
Nope. It was done to give freed blacks citizenship. Go read the debates surrounding the adoption of the amendment. It had absolutely nothing to do with "breaking up families."
But I cannot countenance forcing a family with at least one American citizen, to choose between deporting that legal citizen or breaking up their family.
Oh please. This isn't the 19th century. We're not dependent on horses for transporation any more. No family is going to be "broken up" because some members live a few hunderd miles away. Lots of American families live in different parts of the country, sometimes as much as 2,000 miles away, and keep in touch via telephone, email, and holiday visits. The same is true of many Mexican families. It's not hard for family members living in the US to pop down South of the border every few weekends for a visit.
This kind of melodrama you engage in, so typical of the left, does not, IMHO, belong on a conservative site like this.
The entry team was BORTAC, the Border Patrol’s tactical team. The BP was at the time part of the Justice Department and part of the INS which is why they got the call.
Despite all the hysteria the case came down to a simple international custody battle over Elian between the families. International treaties and norms we are signatory to were also part of the equation.
At the end of the day the family in the US lost the custody battle in federal court, they then appealed and lost again. The court found that the father had the prevailing interest in the case. They had their day (months actually) in court and when legally ordered to relinquish custody they refused and forced the feds to act.
So fine, what members of your family will you now send out of the US? Just the children? They will do fine in Guatemala or Mexico. Hey, if you want to take the wife down there to live with them, that would be no inconvenience, would it?
You don’t seem to realize that for a LOT of Mexican-Americans, the US *is* there home. They don’t *have* another home in Mexico that is just sitting empty, waiting for them. Or friends and relatives, either. Often their kids don’t even speak Spanish.
And they would be as inconvenienced as you and your family would be, if you all had to go to Mexico, or just half of you. But it would be okay, because you could visit, right?
Just sell you home, quit your job, pull the kids out of school and off you go.
While you sneer at me that only a leftist would hold the opinions I do, I sneer back at you doubly hard that only some mean-ass, cruel communist or fascist thinks its fine to muscle people around like it just doesn’t matter, that it’s no problem for them to just pick up and go, or be pushed out.
I hope you realize that a LOT of Republicans look at what you suggest in utter horror, just like they would with somebody proposing the reestablishment of segregation. Despite your pleas and entreaties that “They are happier with their own kind.” No, I am afraid I DO understand what you propose, and I think it is twisted.
And my family has been Republican since there was a Republican party. Probably Whigs before that.
Now I have no problem deporting individuals who are serious criminals, or foreign aliens who have no interest or desire to become citizens and just want to sponge off of welfare. But that is only a fraction of the good people you are talking about.
And no, I don’t support “sending the negroes back to Africa”, either.
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