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Our Disastrous, Canadian Future
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 21 December 2007 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 12/20/2007 4:37:40 PM PST by Congressman Billybob

Far from denigrating Canadians, I begin with high praise for one Canadian. I never miss the byline of Mark Steyn. He is a Canadian, living in Vermont, who publishes frequent articles in Canada, in the US, in Great Britain, and in Australia, and elsewhere.

Steyn combines humor, excellent research and powerful logic in articles on politics, philosophy and culture. He would be a lock to win the annual H.L. Mencken Award, except for its requirement that the winners be born in the US. But today’s subject centers on his latest best-selling book, “America Alone.”

One chapter in that book, entitled “The Future Belongs to Islam,” was republished in Macleans’ magazine, which is the Canadian equivalent to Time magazine. The Canadian Islamic Conference (CIC) filed a complaint against Steyn and Macleans’ accusing them of "exposing Canadian Muslims to hatred and Islamophobia."

CIC is in Canada what the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) is in the US. CAIR has threatened and taken assorted actions in court in the US similar to what CIC has done in Canada. However, CIC’s complaint against Steyn and Macleans’ in the Canadian Human Rights Commission (HRC).

Unlike courts, the HRC is staffed by laymen, not judges. Its members tend to be members of assorted groups who are, or claim they are, discriminated against. Judicial rules are not used; for instance, hearsay is admitted. There is no presumption of innocence. Possible bias on the part of witnesses is ignored. Complainants get help for free; respondents have to pay their own fees and costs.

As you may have gathered, this is a stacked deck. And finally, the broad Canadian press and most of its citizens have noticed that the HRC is not serving to improve Canadian society, but is a blackmail process that inhibits freedom of speech, religion and the press.

Could such things happen here in the US? After all, we have our First Amendment, which most nations do not have. It guarantees our freedoms in those and other areas. Yet, what is happening in Canada today, is a sample of where we are headed.

Most of the decisions of the HRC are rendered in the interests of ending discrimination or prejudice. But they are really about groups that claim they have been offended. Some judges and bureaucrats in the US are going down the same path, giving recovery for individuals who claim they are offended on behalf of their group.

It really would be a good idea for such people, their lawyers, but especially bureaucrats and judges, to read the text of the Constitution. Nowhere in that document does it guarantee each of us freedom from being offended. And people and groups who ride on that idea are not defending American ideals, they are attacking them, especially attacking the Constitution itself.

The process here is also similar to that in Canada. In venues from mass demonstrations to complaints in court, representatives of assorted groups claim discrimination. And if they win their cases in court, they claim attorneys fees and costs. Often, they offer witnesses whose careers consist of complaining and gaining money. And last, in many instances, the complaints are made against smaller cities, smaller school boards, or individuals who lack resources to fight back against their accusers.

In this aspect, the complaint against Steyn and Maclains’ are atypical. They have the wherewith all to fight back. They will not fold under pressure regardless of the merits of their case. Many of the cases in the US are brought against financially-weaker defendants, and the defendants cave rather than face the possibility of having their budgets gut-shot by the fees and costs extracted by the Complainants – often represented by the ACLU.

In Canada, as in the US, the environment that sacrifices real freedoms on the altar of false equality was created by legislation deliberately passed by their Parliament and our Congress. The legislation was written with apparent good intentions. But the results have been the opposite of the intentions.

The Steyn matter in Canada shows us our future, unless we change course. And, that future ain’t pretty.

Many of the facts for this article were drawn from LifeSite.com at this address: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/dec/07121902.html. The legal conclusions, however, are mine.

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About the Author: John Armor practiced in the US Supreme Court for 33 years. John_Armor@aya.yale.edu He lives in the 11th District of North Carolina.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; extortion; islamofascism; marksteyn
Thanks to FR, I saw the excellent article on the details of the Islamic attack on Steyn and Macleans'. Since I've been opposing the ACLU in case after case for decades, I saw the parallels from Canada to the US. Hence, this column.

John / Billybob

1 posted on 12/20/2007 4:37:41 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
There is no free speech or free press in Canada. Never has been. Never will be.

Worst of all Canadians have no idea what free speech means.

I find it disquieting to have a fascist dictatorship on America's borders.

2 posted on 12/20/2007 4:49:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Congressman Billybob; backhoe; conniew; fanfan; Rb ver. 2.0; ari-freedom; davidosborne; ovrtaxt; ...
A lawsuit has been served against our Canadian "sister" site, Free Dominion.
3 posted on 12/20/2007 4:58:16 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Congressman Billybob

Thanks for your attention to this issue. IMHO, Canadian public opinion is swinging around rather swiftly on this issue.

Canuckleheads are not complete idiots, after all.


4 posted on 12/20/2007 5:02:11 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

makes me wanna puke.


5 posted on 12/20/2007 5:03:39 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Congressman Billybob; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; conniew; backhoe; -YYZ-; ...
Thanks for the ping, Anti-Bubba182.


6 posted on 12/20/2007 5:04:30 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Congressman Billybob
The legislation was written with apparent good intentions. But the results have been the opposite of the intentions.

I think you are giving the legislators too much credit. What is happening to Steyn is exactly what they want.

7 posted on 12/20/2007 5:08:22 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Congressman Billybob

He is a Canadian, living in Vermont

I believe Mark Steyn lives in Peterborough, NH.


8 posted on 12/20/2007 5:09:11 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: Congressman Billybob

“Could such things happen here in the US? After all, we have our First Amendment, which most nations do not have. It guarantees our freedoms in those and other areas.”

Canada does have something similar to the First Amendment. Here’s an excerpt from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms:

“2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other means of communication.”

There are more fundamental freedoms; but those are the ones that are germane to this case (IMHO).

It will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court of Canada does with this case (if it should make its way there). The SCOC should pay more attention to the Charter freedoms than a HR tribunal is likely to do.


9 posted on 12/20/2007 5:12:23 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ModelBreaker

I agree with that, especially with the state of Canadian Libel law. The powers that be want an iron grip.


10 posted on 12/20/2007 5:16:32 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Congressman Billybob

I went to High School and University in New Brunswick from 1976-1985. I saw the writing on the wall then. It has now come to fruition.


11 posted on 12/20/2007 5:17:38 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: muawiyah

By that “logic” there isn’t any in the US either. Can I have “Doesn’t Have a Clue” for $1000 Alex?


12 posted on 12/20/2007 5:18:03 PM PST by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Dang. You are absolutely right.

Whenever I put something in my column that I am “certain” is correct based on my “excellent” memory, I open the door to this kind of error. LOL.

Thanks.

John / Billybob

13 posted on 12/20/2007 5:18:12 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
It also has this.....

These rights are generally subject to the limitations clause (section 1) and the notwithstanding clause (section 33). The limitations clause in section 1 allows governments to justify certain infringements of Charter rights. Every case in which a court discovers a violation of the Charter would therefore require a section 1 analysis to determine if the law can still be upheld. Infringements are upheld if the purpose for the government action is to achieve what would be recognized as an urgent or important objective in a free society, and if the infringement can be “demonstrably justified. ” Section 1 has thus been used to uphold laws against objectionable conduct such as hate speech (e.g., in R. v. Keegstra) and obscenity (e.g., in R. v. Butler). Section 1 also confirms that the rights listed in the Charter are guaranteed.

We don't even really own our 'own' property, under our constitution.

Freedom was handed to us by our parents, and grandparents, in the late 40's, and we have squandered the meaning of it.

/rant

14 posted on 12/20/2007 5:22:38 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Congressman Billybob

NH might be getting infiltrated by Dims but we are still a longs ways from being like VT!


15 posted on 12/20/2007 5:25:25 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: AntiKev
Take a look at the "logic" in post #14.

American logic includes a clear understanding of the real purposes of the Second Amendment

16 posted on 12/20/2007 5:26:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: All

Too bad Canadian Libal Law doesn’t cover what they write about Americans on their forums.

It is libel in the purest sense of the law.

I’ve never seen such rot from a friendly nation of people who have no reason for their ignorance except their own insecurities.


17 posted on 12/20/2007 5:34:38 PM PST by imintrouble
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To: muawiyah; AntiKev
American logic includes a clear understanding of the real purposes of the Second Amendment

No, not anymore.

Not for a while, now.

The schools, the malls, the offices, the airports, etc.

All places where the right to defence would seem logical...in many States, you do not have your second amendment rights. I wish you did, but you don't.

18 posted on 12/20/2007 5:34:56 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Congressman Billybob
This crap will spread here if we give the Dems a victory in 08.

We'll all be living in Saudi Ameriqa

19 posted on 12/20/2007 5:37:29 PM PST by Species8472 (Politically motivated science is meaningless)
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To: imintrouble; USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Canadian Libal Law

You misspelled "libations".

Canadian Libation Laws require a beer fridge in every household.

20 posted on 12/20/2007 5:38:03 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan
We can carry firearms openly around here ~ without permits. We need permits to "conceal" them.

Obviously restrictions in the schools don't work.

21 posted on 12/20/2007 5:39:27 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: imintrouble
I’ve never seen such rot from a friendly nation of people who have no reason for their ignorance except their own insecurities.

Btw, have you ever been to Democratic Underground?

They are Americans, and they hate America.


Wait!

Did you just say.........

Too bad Canadian Libal Law doesn’t cover what they write about Americans on their forums.

On their forums?

Forums like FR, where we are free to say what we think, learn, and grow?
You want to sue Canadian posters, on Canadian forums, for slander, and libel???

Way to shut down the internet.

Man up.

22 posted on 12/20/2007 5:47:02 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: muawiyah

May I ask an innocent question?

When you go to the mall, or for a hair cut, do you take your gun?


23 posted on 12/20/2007 5:49:22 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: fanfan
Would be none of your business. Fact is you don't find barbershops around here at the mall ~ maybe a little strip mall along with a grocery store.

I've seen people sitting there waiting for a haircut with full holsters strapped on.

24 posted on 12/20/2007 5:52:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: fanfan
The point is to make Canadians even more miserable than their abominable weather can make them.

More lawsuits is what they need.

25 posted on 12/20/2007 5:53:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Congressman Billybob

Thanks very much for the ping, Anti-Bubba182.

OUTSTANDING article, John. This is as important as anything you have written. Thanks for all of your work.


26 posted on 12/20/2007 5:54:05 PM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt

You are welcome.


27 posted on 12/20/2007 5:56:28 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: fanfan

Eh?


28 posted on 12/20/2007 5:56:47 PM PST by La Enchiladita (This, This is Christ the King, The Babe the Son of Mary)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

I believe he owns several houses - seems like I remember a column of his talking about it =


29 posted on 12/20/2007 6:08:13 PM PST by maine-iac7 (",,,but you can't fool all of the people all the time" LINCOLN)
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To: imintrouble
A few Canadian forums are pro American.

One characteristic is their almost unqualified detestation of the various "Human Rights Commissions." Next is their belief in the corruption of the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Coming in strongly is their disgust at the Federal Liberal Party. Then there is Pierre Eliot Trudeau, ah, that man......

30 posted on 12/20/2007 6:38:23 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: Congressman Billybob; All

Bumping your article and buttressing it with another very good read I saw linked at homelandsecurityus.com...

http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/12/islam_not_just_another_religio.html


31 posted on 12/20/2007 7:00:45 PM PST by PGalt
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To: Congressman Billybob

ACLU has become too indiscriminate in some of the cases it takes.

Islamic “rights” is a joke. The Islamic agenda is evil—Islamists want the “right” to trmple on the guaranteed individual rights in the Constituion and that can never happen.


32 posted on 12/20/2007 7:09:39 PM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Thanks AB182.


33 posted on 12/20/2007 7:55:26 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Profile updated Tuesday, December 18, 2007___________________https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NewHampshireDuo; Congressman Billybob

Mark lives in Lyme, NH (north of White River Junction). Also spends time in Quebec and London.


34 posted on 12/20/2007 8:02:44 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: fanfan
Well put. Those are some of the reasons why it’s impossible to predict how the SCOC will rule on this case(or, inevitably, a similar one).

And, yes, property rights were deliberately left out of the Constitution.

35 posted on 12/20/2007 9:15:53 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: muawiyah
After visiting Canada this fall, I must say what you don't know really can hurt you. The Canadian press does not have to worry about 'demos' or penetration. The local Canadian affiliates told me nothing about Britney Spears, Jamie Lynn Spears, Lindsay Lohan, DogThe Bounty Hunter, etc.

Call me naive, but the local news should not only exist to convince me to "stay tuned" for the national late show.
36 posted on 12/20/2007 9:21:13 PM PST by TxCopper
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To: Congressman Billybob; All

“Stand By Steyn”...more commentary here...

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/019224.php#comments

Thanks to Robert Spencer, Hugh Fitzgerald and all of the outstanding posters at jihadwatch.


37 posted on 12/21/2007 2:07:19 AM PST by PGalt
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To: Anti-Bubba182

BTTT


38 posted on 12/21/2007 2:55:28 AM PST by E.G.C.
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To: All

The insecurities rise even to this forum I see.

My apologies to the American people for mis-spelling of the word libel - as was pointed out several times by the Canadian membership who dote on correction, insinuation, and taunt. But then Canadians rarely apologize for much.

As for Free Dominion - nothing surprises me about the treatment of Conservative people in the nation to the north.

When most of the country is either rabid socialist, leaning towards communism, and devoted to taking in every disenfranchised displaced person in the world, giving away their hard won services such as doctors, educators, land, jobs, and handouts, as well as harboring (harbouring) American deserters who were never Americans to begin with - how could a clean intelligent forum like Free Dominion exist?

Oh should I mention the disintegration of religion other than the ever-growing Islamic worshipping population?

O Canada where have you gone?


39 posted on 12/21/2007 3:48:19 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: fanfan

Apparently your hate laws for internet use do not apply to Americans: the one group towards which free-for-all hatred is directed.

I wouldn’t waste a dime suing Canadians, I would rather have my words speak for themselves.

Thanks to the CBC influence, the conglomeration of internet clustermuck, and your socialist education system, you are growing a nation of short-sighted robots who demonstrate pride in their country through ridiculous comparison with the U.S.


40 posted on 12/21/2007 4:10:40 AM PST by imintrouble
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Calpernia; milford421; Founding Father

Bump and ping.


41 posted on 12/21/2007 6:30:00 AM PST by nw_arizona_granny (I vote to outlaw hidden links in articles. If the URL is worthy of clicking, then show it.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Good commentary, as always. Yup, it’s creeping ever closer...


42 posted on 12/21/2007 9:52:08 AM PST by MizSterious (Deport all the illegals to sanctuary cities.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

btt


43 posted on 12/28/2007 10:15:22 AM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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