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Our Disastrous, Canadian Future
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 21 December 2007 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 12/20/2007 4:37:40 PM PST by Congressman Billybob

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Thanks to FR, I saw the excellent article on the details of the Islamic attack on Steyn and Macleans'. Since I've been opposing the ACLU in case after case for decades, I saw the parallels from Canada to the US. Hence, this column.

John / Billybob

1 posted on 12/20/2007 4:37:41 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
There is no free speech or free press in Canada. Never has been. Never will be.

Worst of all Canadians have no idea what free speech means.

I find it disquieting to have a fascist dictatorship on America's borders.

2 posted on 12/20/2007 4:49:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Congressman Billybob; backhoe; conniew; fanfan; Rb ver. 2.0; ari-freedom; davidosborne; ovrtaxt; ...
A lawsuit has been served against our Canadian "sister" site, Free Dominion.
3 posted on 12/20/2007 4:58:16 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Congressman Billybob

Thanks for your attention to this issue. IMHO, Canadian public opinion is swinging around rather swiftly on this issue.

Canuckleheads are not complete idiots, after all.


4 posted on 12/20/2007 5:02:11 PM PST by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: Congressman Billybob

makes me wanna puke.


5 posted on 12/20/2007 5:03:39 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: Anti-Bubba182; Congressman Billybob; GMMAC; Clive; exg; kanawa; conniew; backhoe; -YYZ-; ...
Thanks for the ping, Anti-Bubba182.


6 posted on 12/20/2007 5:04:30 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Congressman Billybob
The legislation was written with apparent good intentions. But the results have been the opposite of the intentions.

I think you are giving the legislators too much credit. What is happening to Steyn is exactly what they want.

7 posted on 12/20/2007 5:08:22 PM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Congressman Billybob

He is a Canadian, living in Vermont

I believe Mark Steyn lives in Peterborough, NH.


8 posted on 12/20/2007 5:09:11 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: Congressman Billybob

“Could such things happen here in the US? After all, we have our First Amendment, which most nations do not have. It guarantees our freedoms in those and other areas.”

Canada does have something similar to the First Amendment. Here’s an excerpt from the Charter of Rights and Freedoms:

“2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

(a) freedom of conscience and religion
(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other means of communication.”

There are more fundamental freedoms; but those are the ones that are germane to this case (IMHO).

It will be interesting to see what the Supreme Court of Canada does with this case (if it should make its way there). The SCOC should pay more attention to the Charter freedoms than a HR tribunal is likely to do.


9 posted on 12/20/2007 5:12:23 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ModelBreaker

I agree with that, especially with the state of Canadian Libel law. The powers that be want an iron grip.


10 posted on 12/20/2007 5:16:32 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Congressman Billybob

I went to High School and University in New Brunswick from 1976-1985. I saw the writing on the wall then. It has now come to fruition.


11 posted on 12/20/2007 5:17:38 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: muawiyah

By that “logic” there isn’t any in the US either. Can I have “Doesn’t Have a Clue” for $1000 Alex?


12 posted on 12/20/2007 5:18:03 PM PST by AntiKev ("No damage. The world's still turning isn't it?" - Stereo Goes Stellar - Blow Me A Holloway)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
Dang. You are absolutely right.

Whenever I put something in my column that I am “certain” is correct based on my “excellent” memory, I open the door to this kind of error. LOL.

Thanks.

John / Billybob

13 posted on 12/20/2007 5:18:12 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
It also has this.....

These rights are generally subject to the limitations clause (section 1) and the notwithstanding clause (section 33). The limitations clause in section 1 allows governments to justify certain infringements of Charter rights. Every case in which a court discovers a violation of the Charter would therefore require a section 1 analysis to determine if the law can still be upheld. Infringements are upheld if the purpose for the government action is to achieve what would be recognized as an urgent or important objective in a free society, and if the infringement can be “demonstrably justified. ” Section 1 has thus been used to uphold laws against objectionable conduct such as hate speech (e.g., in R. v. Keegstra) and obscenity (e.g., in R. v. Butler). Section 1 also confirms that the rights listed in the Charter are guaranteed.

We don't even really own our 'own' property, under our constitution.

Freedom was handed to us by our parents, and grandparents, in the late 40's, and we have squandered the meaning of it.

/rant

14 posted on 12/20/2007 5:22:38 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Congressman Billybob

NH might be getting infiltrated by Dims but we are still a longs ways from being like VT!


15 posted on 12/20/2007 5:25:25 PM PST by NewHampshireDuo (Earth - Taking care of itself since 4.6 billion BC)
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To: AntiKev
Take a look at the "logic" in post #14.

American logic includes a clear understanding of the real purposes of the Second Amendment

16 posted on 12/20/2007 5:26:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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Too bad Canadian Libal Law doesn’t cover what they write about Americans on their forums.

It is libel in the purest sense of the law.

I’ve never seen such rot from a friendly nation of people who have no reason for their ignorance except their own insecurities.


17 posted on 12/20/2007 5:34:38 PM PST by imintrouble
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To: muawiyah; AntiKev
American logic includes a clear understanding of the real purposes of the Second Amendment

No, not anymore.

Not for a while, now.

The schools, the malls, the offices, the airports, etc.

All places where the right to defence would seem logical...in many States, you do not have your second amendment rights. I wish you did, but you don't.

18 posted on 12/20/2007 5:34:56 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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To: Congressman Billybob
This crap will spread here if we give the Dems a victory in 08.

We'll all be living in Saudi Ameriqa

19 posted on 12/20/2007 5:37:29 PM PST by Species8472 (Politically motivated science is meaningless)
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To: imintrouble; USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Canadian Libal Law

You misspelled "libations".

Canadian Libation Laws require a beer fridge in every household.

20 posted on 12/20/2007 5:38:03 PM PST by fanfan ("We don't start fights my friends, but we finish them, and never leave until our work is done."PMSH)
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