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To: EternalVigilance
>> IMO, they’ve both gone off the rails on this one. <<

I agree. Congressman King needs to explain why he has "confidence" that only Fred Thompson "will stand up for the rule of law". Last time I checked, Fred's Senate "record" of enforcing immigration laws was just as checked as the other "front runners"

5 posted on 12/20/2007 11:36:17 PM PST by BillyBoy (Fred Thompson isn't the second coming of Ronald Reagan, he's the second coming of Stephen Douglas!)
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To: BillyBoy

Stuff it, Billy.


11 posted on 12/20/2007 11:43:21 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~~~Jihad Fever -- Catch It !~~~ (Backup tag: "Live Fred or Die"))
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To: BillyBoy
Last time I checked, Fred's Senate "record" of enforcing immigration laws was just as checked as the other "front runners"

Last I checked, Fred never proposed extending government benefits to illegals, never leased government owned office space to the Mexican consulate (you know, the same Mexican consulate that gives papers and other assistance to illegal aliens) at a subsidized rate of $1.00 per year, never supported amnesty, and never called those who oppose amnesty racists and bigots. Fred finished out his Senate career with an A- after 9-11, and his record isn't NEARLY as "checked" as any of the other front-runners, ESPECIALLY the Dope from Hope.

BTW, Gilchrist's little endorsement (which I suspect he's now regretting) that you were trumpeting last week pales in comparison to THIS:


Signed by 84 leaders of Immigration Enforcement Groups!

In reaction to Jim Gilchrist's (Co-Founder of Minutemen) lone endorsement of pro-amnesty Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee:

We, the undersigned, state that our organizations stand against racism and Amnesty for illegal aliens. Instead, we stand for the enforcement of our existing immigration laws, the securing of America's borders, and attrition enforcement.

We have dedicated our efforts to fighting illegal immigration and we are compelled to warn the American public about the immigration stance and record of Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee.

We denounce Jim Gilchrist's solo endorsement of a pro-amnesty and Open Borders candidate for President. Mr. Gilchrist does NOT speak for us!

Mike Huckabee is pro-amnesty and favors a "path to citizenship" for illegal aliens currently in the US, which would require a lifting of the current penalties.

Mike Huckabee is against ICE raids and decried them in his home state, when illegal aliens were arrested at companies that financially support his campaigns.

Mike Huckabee supports benefits for illegal aliens such as taxpayer subsidized in-state tuition.

Governor Huckabee also favors a "touchback" provision, which we feel is a trick to confuse voters. He would have illegal aliens leave for a day, pick up new papers, and then reenter the US LEGALLY, which is not the back of the immigration line! He has stated that illegal aliens could leave and "You do have a pathway to get back here legally that would take days, maybe weeks, not years."

Mike Huckabee supported Comprehensive Immigration Reform Amnesty that failed in the US Senate and was rejected by a large majority of Americans. He stated that those who opposed the legislation are "driven by racism or nativism."

Mike Huckabee has distorted the goals of "attrition enforcement" and the positions of Mark Krikorian by adding visa expansions, expedited visas, and "touchback", which would counteract enforcement measures.

In truth, Mike Huckabee's stances on the illegal immigration issue are out of line with the vast majority of Americans.




SIGNED

William Gheen
Americans for Legal Immigration PAC
http://www.alipac.us

Ron Woodard
NC Listen Border Project
www.nclisten.com

Peter Gadiel
9/11 Families for A Secure America
www.911fsa.org/

Dan Sheehy
Author of "Fighting Immigration Anarchy: American Patriots Battle to Save the Nation"
www.FightingImmigrationAnarchy.com

RUSSELL LANDRY
Citizens Against Illegal Aliens
groups.msn.com/CitizensAgainstIllegalAliens/

Danny Smith
American Freedom Riders
www.americanfreedomriders.com/

Wanda Piety
Save America Fund
www.saveamericafund.com

Brook Young
Immigration Watchdog
www.immigrationwatchdog.com

Andy Ramirez
Friends of the Border Patrol
www.friendsoftheborderpatrol.com

Sandra Beene
Co-founder TX Minutemen
www.txminuteman.org

Hal Washburn
MCDC Washington State
www.minutemanhq.com

Allen Taylor
Hoosiers for Secure Borders
www.hoosiersforsecureborders.com

Jack McDermott
Pennsylvanians Against Illegal Immigration

Joseph L. Ray
MCDC Chapter Leader
www.minutemanhq.com

Jeff Wilson
Report and Deport
www.reportanddeport.org

S. Byron Gassaway
Rescue Without Borders
www.rescuewithoutborders.org

Melissa Gardner
Let Freedom Ring America
www.lframerica.com

Michael Apple
Minutemen Civil Defense Corps.
California-North Bay Chapter
www.minutemanhq.com

Johnny Tex
Johnny Tex and the Texicans
www.johnnytex.com

Gianluca Zanna
Co-Founder Mohave County Minutemen
www.mohaveminutemen.com

Ruthie Hendrycks
Minnesotans Seeking Immigration Reform
www.mnsirproject.com

Steve Hampton
Protect Our Borders
www.protectourborder.net

Hayward Vickery Jr.
US Border Watch
www.usborderwatch.com

Michael Franks
Former Texas State Republican Executive Committee Member.
Former Political Director, Texas Republican Liberty Caucu

Teela Roche & Mark Thies
South Carolinians for Immigration Moderation

Margaretann Bianculli
Greater Farmingville Citizens' Association

Bill Strong
CHOICE
www.choice.flashbit.us

Jon Healy
TechnoPatriots
www.technopatriots.com

Wally McCormick
Utah Minuteman

Phyllis Sears
Citizens Council on Illegal Immigration
www.cciiwc.com

Barb Coe
California Coalition for Immigration Reform
www.ccir.net

Daniel Smeriglio & Andrew Woodring
Voice of the people U.S.A
www.voiceofthepeopleusa.com

Bob Cox
www.patriotsborderalliance.com
Patriots Border Alliance

Steve Salvi
Ohio Jobs & Justice PAC
www.ojjpac.org

Bob Baker & Leon Donahue
Washingtonians For Immigration Reform
www.wfir.org

Michael A. Jackson
Government for the People
www.votemj.com

Tony Dolz
U.S. Congressional Candidate (California 30th District)
MCDC California
www.dolz.com

Carl Braun
State Leader MCDC- CA

Dan Amato
Digger's Realm
www.diggersrealm.com

Jeff Schwilk
San Diego Minutemen
www.SanDiegoMinutemen.com

Joe Turner & Chelene Nightingale
Save Our State
www.saveourstate.org

Conner Collier
V.P. of U.S. Border Watch
www.usborderwatch.com

Joe & Barb McCutchen
Arkansas Freedom
www.arkansasfreedom.com

A. B. Flanagan, III
KeepItAmerican.Biz
www.keepitamerican.biz

Jan Herron, Columnist
Magic City Morning Star

Robert M. Copley Sr.
Colorado Minutemen
www.sovereigntycolorado.com

Burr Deitz
New York Constitution Party
www.nyconstitutionparty.com

Paul Streitz
CT Citizens for Immigration Control
www.ctcic.net

Janie McCormick
Constitution Coalition

Saul Lisauskas
Stopp SPP & NAU
www.StopSPP.org

Frosty Wooldridge
Author & Paul Revere Riders
www.frostywooldridge.com

Kathy McKee, founder/chairman
Protect Arizona NOW
www.pan2004.com

Lupe Moreno
Latino Americans for Immigration Reform (LAIR)
www.latinoamericans.org

Ted Hayes
Los Angeles Activist
www.tedhayes.net

Nedd Kareiva
Stop the ACLU Coalition
www.stoptheaclu.org

Peter B. Gemma
columnist, Middle American News
www.manews.org

Paul & Jo Separk
The MidNight Writers
http://groups.myspace.com/saynotothenau

Frank Jorge
Antelope Valley Independent Minutemen
www.avimm.com

Ron Bass
United Patriots of America
www.UnitedPatriotsOfAmerica.com


Michael Kelley
NC Voice
www.ncvoice.info

Duane Smith
Nevada Action Coalition
www.nvaction.com

Mark Edwards
Founder of Unite to Fight 1 & 2 and Wake Up America
www.thewakeupamerica.com

Scott DiBenedetto
Pahrump Minutemen
www.pahrumpminutemen.com

Theresa Harmon
Tennesseans for Responsible Immigration Policies
www.TnRIP.org

Susan Smith
Nebraskans Advisory Group
www.nebraskansadvisorygroup.com

Jim Ludwick
Oregonians for Immigration Reform
http://www.oregonir.org

Robert R. Galbreath Jr.
Citizens for a Constitutional Republic
www.citizensforaconstitutionalrepublic.com

George Gush
Boycott State Farm Insurance
www.boycottstatefarminsurance.com

Jim Palmer
Buy Direct USA
www.buydirectusa.com

Chris Davis
America in Danger
www.americaindanger.com

Michael Williams
Border Hawks
BorderHawks.org

Chris Simcox
Minuteman Civil Defense Corps
Co-Founder of the Minutemen
www.minutemanhq.com

Walter Adams
PA Minutemen State Director
www.paminutemen.com

Joseph Ureneck
Massachusetts Citizens for Immigration Reform

Mike Vanderboegh
Alabama Minuteman Project

Dennis Murphy
Nebraska Minuteman Civil Defense Corp
www.nebraskaminuteman.com

Marvin Steward & Deborah Courtney
Minuteman Project Inc

Michael Strauss & John Loucome
LaPorte County Illegal Immigration Taskforce


Edward & Cynthia Kolb
Desert Visions
www.desertvisions.us

Doug Roy
Kentuckians for Immigration Reform and Enforcement
www.kfire.us

Michelle Dallacroce
Mothers Against Illegal Aliens
www.mothersagainstillegalaliens.org

Hal Netkin
Watchdog America
www.WatchdogAmerica.com

Col. Albert F. Rodriguez
You Don't Speak For Me
www.dontspeakforme.org

Steve Hampton
Protect Our Border
www.protectourborder.net

source: http://www.alipac.us/ftopict-94112.html


And this:


Illegals foes reject nod to Huckabee
By Jerry Seper
The Washington Times
12-13-2007
(Excerpted, click here to read the rest)

Minuteman co-founder James Gilchrist's endorsement of presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has spurred a backlash among illegal-immigration opponents who say the former Arkansas governor is soft on immigration enforcement.

"Mike Huckabee is pro-amnesty and favors a path to citizenship for illegal aliens currently in the U.S. that would require a lifting of current penalties," said William Gheen, whose 25,000-member Americans for Legal Immigration sent mass mailings yesterday to more than 300 pro-enforcement groups.

"Huckabee has released an immigration plan that contains the deceptive 'touch back' provision that the pushers of amnesty tried on us in Washington this year," he said. "He wants to trick the nation by having illegal aliens leave for a day to pick up new papers at an office set up across the border and then walk right back."

(snip)

Bob Wright, who heads the Patriots' Border Alliance, another Minuteman splinter group, said although Mr. Gilchrist helped move the issue of illegal entry into the U.S. "to it's rightful place on the national stage," his endorsement of Mr. Huckabee "is at best disturbing."

"While I believe it is possible for a professional politician to change his mind on a subject as he becomes more informed, I have serious doubts that is the case with Huckabee," Mr. Wright said. "His past rhetoric about the goals of Minutemen everywhere has been vicious — parroting the tired and discredited foolishness that an American citizen's desire to see the law enforced is somehow racist or xenophobic."

(snip)


And this:


Real Minutemen Do Not Endorse Huckabee

No National Minuteman Group has endorsed Mike Huckabee.

One individual Minuteman has personally endorsed him.

For the sake of clarity, it is important to note that the Minuteman
Civil Defense Corps (MCDC), the nation's largest Minuteman organization,
is a 501(C)4 non-profit organization and cannot and does not endorse any
candidate for public office. MCDC is not associated with Mr. Jim
Gilchrist, who today endorsed Mike Huckabee for president.

Jim Gilchrist’s erstwhile Minuteman Project is itself an organization
which by its own representations as a non-profit civic group cannot
legally endorse candidates. It does not have any volunteers who observe
illegal border activity. It has no border fence building projects. Jim
Gilchrist here speaks only for Jim Gilchrist, he does not speak for the
Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, nor is he nationally representative of
most patriots in the "Minuteman movement" – who under no circumstances
could ignore the failed record nor endorse the duplicitous “plan”
recently rolled out by candidate Mike Huckabee. The national media needs
to recognize that Jim Gilchrist’s endorsement is his own personal
statement, nothing more.

The Minuteman Civil Defense Corps emphasizes policy dealing with
national border security. The only "plan" to ensure border security that
is acceptable to our constituency would be a candidate policy statement
declaring that his first act as President will be to hold a press
conference and announce to the American people an executive order to
immediately deploy and fund 30,000 National Guard personnel to the U.S.
Borders (25,000 to the southern border and 5,000 to the northern border)
to complement a massive increase in U.S. Border Patrol Agent field
personnel, and a bilateral effort to secure our frontiers, smash the
drug cartels, shut down the human smugglers and protect the public
safety of the citizens who reside along the borders on both sides of our
national boundaries.

Unlike this last-minute opportunism attempted by Huckabee, many of the
other GOP presidential candidates have actually helped push the issue of
national border security forward for some time. Tom Tancredo’s many
years of hard work on the border crisis and illegal immigration issues
have all the candidates striving to sound like him. Duncan Hunter can
take personal credit for getting the highly effective San Diego border
fence built. Ron Paul has been to the border with us first hand and
aggressively pushed positive border legislation. Alan Keyes has done
more than anyone to support the organizational development of MCDC, and
personally participated in the Minuteman Border Fence Groundbreaking –
advancing a citizen’s construction effort which has forced Congress to
finally get the Feds building physical border fence.

Only one Minuteman group is conducting regular multi-state border
security efforts, building fence and aggressively monitoring Washington
DC: Minuteman Civil Defense Corps. We would like to extend an invitation
to all the presidential candidates, Republican and Democrat, to come to
the border and see what is really happening on our nation’s frontier.
Not to take the safe little government photo-op helicopter ride, but see
the lay-up sites full of trash and debris. See the rape trees. See the
violent crime in the border towns. Walk on the pathways of destroyed
environmental terrain trampled by tens of thousands of invading foreign
migrants. See what the American elites’ support of broken borders,
unfettered illegal immigration and sanctuary cities is doing to our
fellow Americans who live on our borderlands, and how these failed
policies imperil our nation’s safety, security and prosperity.

With your support MCDC continues to make Border Security and Illegal
Immigration a national priority that must be resolved. Now more than
ever we need your help to continue the fight.

OK my friends, I think this will do it -now spread my words far and wide!

Volunteer NOW - Donate NOW!

*YOU can make a REAL DIFFERENCE*. So, for your sake, for the sake of
your children, your grandchildren, and for generations to come, *please
help MCDC* continue its fight to protect and preserve the United States
of America and defend our Constitution.

Sincerely for these United States,

Chris Simcox, President
Minuteman Civil Defense Corps

More at Hot Air


Are you starting to get the hint why those of us who fought our asses off against amnesty this summer really don't like Open-Borders Mike, and why open-borders shills like FReeper Dane and Michael Medved are shouting his praises from the mountaintops?

The REAL Mike Huckabee: Exposing the Dope from Hope

26 posted on 12/21/2007 12:03:36 AM PST by lesser_satan (READ MY LIPS: NO NEW RINOS | FRED THOMPSON - DUNCAN HUNTER '08)
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To: BillyBoy
When Fred served in the Senate... the Border was not an issue even talked about... we were still all thinking that Reagan’s Amnesty enforcement clauses would be enforced. That is about the most clintonian attack you could launch on Fred... and tank sold his Conservatism for a cabinet spot and his campaign debt being paid off. He was a cheap buy.

LLS

45 posted on 12/21/2007 2:31:37 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: BillyBoy
Fred and Mitt have roughly equal records on immigration-- just OK but not stellar. The only candidate left in the race with a superb record on illegal immigration is Duncan Hunter.

Still, I wouldn't mind seeing Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney working together in the same fashion that Huckabee and Guilani are doing.

The Huckster and Julie Ann will work to either open our borders wider or subvert any enforcement. Fred and Mitt are at least persuadable to listening to the people. It is hard to tell which of the two would be better.

48 posted on 12/21/2007 2:47:37 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: BillyBoy
I agree. Congressman King needs to explain why he has "confidence" that only Fred Thompson "will stand up for the rule of law". Last time I checked, Fred's Senate "record" of enforcing immigration laws was just as checked as the other "front runners"

Thank you for making it abundantly clear that you've no idea what you are talking about.

It makes it much easier to scroll over the dross from now on.

61 posted on 12/21/2007 8:11:55 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus ("Hi, My name is Mitt, and I invented the fifty dollar abortion!")
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To: BillyBoy

Hey, did you know that your candidate Tommy Thompson endorsed Rudy?

http://www.joinrudy2008.com/article/pr/895

Tommy was just another Liberal.


68 posted on 12/21/2007 9:33:45 AM PST by RatsDawg (Hsu out the Democrats in 2008!, Go Hsu-less vote GOP)
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