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Clinton vs. Giuliani & Romney (One Point Apart: Clinton and Giuliani, Clinton and Romney)
Rasmussen Reports ^ | 12/22/07 | Scott Rasmussen

Posted on 12/22/2007 6:24:10 AM PST by Reaganesque

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To: rodeo-mamma
If it makes you feel good to compare a Marxist traitor to a good guy like Romney, go right on ahead, keep on deluding yourself.

Ok. You're right. I don't know Mitt, but I assume he is a good guy. And Mitt is just a regular liberal, more akin to Joe Lieberman, Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Paul Sarbanes, than the more Marxist variety represented by the former first co-dependent.

Having said that, he is a liberal and therefore should not ever occupy the White House.

61 posted on 12/22/2007 10:20:25 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: claudiustg
That brings us to Mitt. He is well spoken, energetic and attractive.

Its all about the..


62 posted on 12/22/2007 10:24:41 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: big'ol_freeper

If I wanted to make a personal attack on you, there would be no question about it. As for your point:

progressive=liberal

My counter is that it is a simplistic assertion unworthy of further comment, sort of like:

big’ol_freeper=stupid

Obviously, I don’t know if you’re stupid or not. I don’t have your IQ test results in my back pocket. What I do know is that your assertion was simplistic, and if simplistic is aproximately equal to stupid, then it was stupid.

Of course I mean this in a nice, constructive way. :^)


63 posted on 12/22/2007 10:24:56 AM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: claudiustg

That was not a simplistic assertion. The Democrats are known as the progressive party. They use the word progressive as a code word for liberalism because liberals run away from that label. In your post I was responding to you claimed that Georgie Romney was a progressive. My point was that a progressive is a liberal. Its more a fact of political life than any assertion on my part. Guess you kinda missed that.


64 posted on 12/22/2007 10:30:40 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: rodeo-mamma

It’s hard to tell the anti-Romney slanderers from Dim attack bots. They put a little Larry O’Donnell into each post.

I think Mitt’s going to take this thing. Their attacks are weak and without merit.


65 posted on 12/22/2007 10:31:20 AM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: rodeo-mamma

-—And it is because he has been a devoted father and husband his entire life, not just because he is very attractive.-—

Exactly so! His beauty is obviously more than skin deep. The image in this case reflects an underlying reality.


66 posted on 12/22/2007 10:35:59 AM PST by claudiustg (You know it. I know it.)
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To: rodeo-mamma
He was in the Senate during the Clinton years, I never heard him taking any stands during that time.

That is exactly my problem with Thompson. I love his white papers. He has the most conservative and detailed policy proposals that I have seen from any Repub. candidate, but I wonder about his leadership, and hence, his ability, were he to win the presidency, to push and propel his policy initiatives through the battle royal that will always be the lot of a conservative president.

Also, is it true that he was a cosigner of McCain Feingold? THAT is certainly not conservative.

67 posted on 12/22/2007 10:38:11 AM PST by FollowingTheGrace
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To: big'ol_freeper
Personal attacks? I'm just probing for your reasoning. You're the one doing all the name calling. And, you're not the only one who can be sarcastic. Make your point that Fred is more conservative than Romney without calling the other a "RINO" or liberal. I dare you. ;)
68 posted on 12/22/2007 10:53:16 AM PST by circumbendibus
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To: circumbendibus
Um...hello...show me where I made personal attacks against another freeper on here. I've never called a freeper stupid, a bigot or anything like that. I am guessing you are more comfortable with someone on the forum calling another those names than you are a poster defining a candidate for office as a RINO. That's pretty weak if you ask me.

You obviously have not read too many of my posts over time and I don't post to satisfy your need for proof for my arguments so if it means that much to you then you can go back over a few months of my posts to see my reasoning of why Fred or Duncan are conservative while Romney is liberal. Have a nice day.

69 posted on 12/22/2007 11:09:01 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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To: circumbendibus

Sorry. Don’t have the time or interest in looking up your old posts. I like Fred and Duncan Hunter, and I have my reasons. What are yours? I’m curious. You still have not supported your argument on this thread.


70 posted on 12/22/2007 11:22:00 AM PST by circumbendibus
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To: JCEccles; mewzilla; cripplecreek
To: mewzilla ...... According to multiple eyewitnesses, Mitt's father, Michigan Governor George Romney, in fact marched with Martin Luther King in Grosse Pointe, Michigan. You are boring us.

And, according to multiple eye witnesses I can scrounge up, I interviewed Robert E. Lee for my high school American History term paper.

History is not documented by stating "Some 72 year old named Shirley told someone that she remembers joining a march back in 1963 and that Martin Luther King and the Governor were somewhere in the crowd of thousands."

History is documented by corroboration with primary source material and the primary sources extensively document that Martin Luther King spoke at Grosse Pointe High School on 14 March, 1968 and there is no documentation whatsoever that Martin Luther King ever marched in Grosse Point in 1963 or at any other time.

According to the Grosse Pointe Historical Society, Martin Luther King never marched there.

Broder's book included a chapter on George Romney which says the former Michigan governor did indeed march with King in the town of Grosse Pointe. However, according to the records of the Grosse Pointe Historical Society, King never staged a march there -- and any such event certainly would have been documented. However, the historical society said King did visit (as opposed to an actual march) Grosse Pointe in March 1968 but that did not happen until after Broder's book was published. Furthermore, Romney was not even there when King spoke at Grosse Pointe High School.

Martin Luther King's speech at Grosse Pointe High School was delivered on 14 March, 1968 and can be accessed here

The extensive newspaper documentation of that Grosse Pointe High School speech by Martin Luther King collected by the Grosse Point Historical Society can be seen here

Even Mitt Romney himself admits that he never saw his gather march with King.

Mitt Romney acknowledged yesterday that he never saw his father march with Martin Luther King Jr. as he asserted in a nationally televised speech this month, and historical evidence shows that Michigan's Governor George Romney and the civil rights leader never did march together....Romney said his father had told him he had marched with King and that he had been using the word "saw" in a "figurative sense."

The historical record shows Martin Luther King marched at multiple places in the U.S. but not in Grosse Pointe and not with George Romney.

The historical record shows that George Romney supported the ideal of Martin Luther King at a time when many politicians did not and therefore figuratively marched with the ideals of Martin Luther King.

Why don't you just leave it at that instead of continuously attacking multiple Freepers on multiple threads who are pointing out the true history of the events.

To: cripplecreek .... You're calling this elderly woman a liar too? You're pathetic and sick in the soul. .... 5 posted on 12/21/2007 5:32:41 PM PST by JCEccles

71 posted on 12/22/2007 11:29:01 AM PST by Polybius
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
The primaries haven’t HAPPENED yet! Everything to this point is polling—which we all know is 100% accurate! (/sarcasm) And even if polling WERE 100% accurate, people can and do change their minds with new information. Basing the outcome of the primary process on preliminary polls ignores the interactions that occur as more information comes to light on the candidates and as various candidates fall out.

It is mind boggling to me why people, in general, place so much weight on polls. Everyone's individual vote is a precious franchise that should be cast with much thought. I don't want to let 400 anonymous people at the other end of a pollster's telephone line decide who will be POTUS. Following polls allows those 400 people, that happened to pick up the phone, to have unjustifiable influence--the poll becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

My 2 cents: Look at the issues. Look at the character. Vote for who you think will do the best job.

72 posted on 12/22/2007 11:31:28 AM PST by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: elizabetty

When I was in first grade, Nixon was running against Kennedy.

One of my classmates said to me, “Who are you voting for?” (as if we could vote)

I said, “Oh, I’m voting for Nixon!” (My parents were Republicans.)

My friend said: “I’m voting for Kennedy. He’s cuter!”


73 posted on 12/22/2007 11:54:11 AM PST by bethtopaz (Diplomacy is saying "nice doggie" until you can find a rock.)
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To: Reaganesque

Bttt!


74 posted on 12/22/2007 7:16:16 PM PST by TheLion
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