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Pastor, Can You Spare Us? (Mike Huckabee/John Hagee)
National Review Online ^ | Deember 21, 2007 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 12/22/2007 7:45:57 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule

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To: CharlesWayneCT

Huckabee’s immigration policy is why I can’t support him. Everyone who infers I am a racist for being against amnesty for illegals is off my list.


41 posted on 12/22/2007 10:15:23 PM PST by libbylu (I am voting for the prettiest.)
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42 posted on 12/22/2007 10:17:05 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: GOPPachyderm
(2) Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah;
Well then he is a heretic.
43 posted on 12/22/2007 10:19:07 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1; Mr. Mojo
As the nonprofit organization's president, Hagee drew $540,000 in compensation, as well as an additional $302,005 in compensation for his position as president of Cornerstone Church, according to GETV's tax statements.

He also received $411,561 in benefits from GETV, including contributions to a retirement package for highly paid executives the IRS calls a "rabbi trust," so named because the first beneficiary of such an irrevocable trust was a rabbi.

The John Hagee Rabbi Trust includes a $2.1 million 7,969-acre ranch outside Brackettville, with five lodges, including a "main lodge" and a gun locker. It also includes a manager's house, a smokehouse, a skeet range and three barns.

Taken together, his payment package, $842,005 in compensation and $414,485 in benefits, was one of the highest, if not the highest, pay package for a nonprofit director in the San Antonio area in 2001.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/tv_preachers/tv_preachers7.html
44 posted on 12/22/2007 10:21:52 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: epow

Here is a link if you are inclined to read it you will probably understand. Krauthammer, and he is dead on.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/06/AR2007120601966.html
little excerpt:
The appealing aspects of Huckabee’s politics and persona account for much of this. But part of his rise in Iowa is attributable to something rather less appealing: playing the religion card. The other major candidates — John McCain, Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson — either never figured out how to use it or had the decency to refuse to deploy it.

Huckabee has exploited Romney’s Mormonism with an egregious subtlety. Huckabee is running a very effective ad in Iowa about religion. “Faith doesn’t just influence me,” he says on camera, “it really defines me.” The ad then hails him as a “Christian leader.”

Forget the implications of the idea that being a “Christian leader” is some special qualification for the presidency of a country whose Constitution (Article VI) explicitly rejects any religious test for office. Just imagine that Huckabee were running one-on-one in Iowa against Joe Lieberman. (It’s a thought experiment. Stay with me.) If he had run the same ad in those circumstances, it would have raised an outcry. The subtext — who’s the Christian in this race? — would have been too obvious to ignore, the appeal to bigotry too clear.

Well, Huckabee is running against Romney (the other GOP candidates are non-factors in Iowa), and he knows that many Christian conservatives, particularly those who have an affinity with Huckabee’s highly paraded evangelical Christianity, consider Romney’s faith a decidedly non-Christian cult.

Huckabee has been asked about this view that Mormonism is a cult. He dodges and dances. “If I’m invited to be the president of a theological school, that’ll be a perfectly appropriate question,” he says, “but to be the president of the United States, I don’t know that that’s going to be the most important issue that I’ll be facing when I’m sworn in.”

Hmmm. So it is an issue, Huckabee avers. But not a very important one. And he’s not going to pronounce upon it. Nice straddle, leaving the question unanswered and still open — the kind of maneuver one comes to expect from slick former governors of Arkansas lusting for the presidency.

And by Huckabee’s own logic, since he is not running for head of a theological college, what is he doing proclaiming himself a “Christian leader” in an ad promoting himself for president? Answer: Having the issue every which way. Seeming to take the high road of tolerance by refusing to declare Mormonism a cult, indeed declaring himself above the issue — yet clearly playing to that prejudice by leaving the question ambiguous, while making sure everyone knows that he, for one, is a “Christian leader.”


45 posted on 12/22/2007 10:22:53 PM PST by libbylu (I am voting for the prettiest.)
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To: Mr Rogers

If a strong third party candidate like Bloomberg runs and splinters the vote, a voting bloc like the evangelicals (20% of the voters, give or take) could be large enough to decide the race.

If three Socialists run (say, Hillary, Bloomberg, and Rudy), a fourth party of Conservatives/Evangelicals could easily win.


46 posted on 12/22/2007 10:26:14 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Eccl 10:2; Mr Rogers

The swing vote will be the Catholic vote this year.


47 posted on 12/22/2007 10:27:21 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

Obama can do it and Huckabee can’t?


48 posted on 12/22/2007 10:29:23 PM PST by unspun (God save us from egos -- especially our own.)
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To: Gurn
John Hagee hasn’t said anything about the Catholic Church that isn’t true.

Hagee's theological improvisations and inconsistencies are of greater concern to me than anything he has said about the Catholic Church.

49 posted on 12/22/2007 10:31:33 PM PST by nwrep
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To: Responsibility2nd
"At least it's genuine when Pastor Mike speaks at a Church."

Maybe! Maybe not!

What it is---is ill advised. This man who would lead the western world is going to have to be willing to be president to all. He will offend a lot of people--Catholic and otherwise, me among them.

I had a Catholic grandmother and a full gospel, evangelical grandmother. They were each devout and had a great respect for each other, and both were women of great faith and personal strengths.

This is truly Hucksterish.

vaudine

50 posted on 12/22/2007 10:32:29 PM PST by vaudine (RO)
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That would be a FILTHY LIE. Of the worst sort. But you know that, don't you?
51 posted on 12/22/2007 10:35:52 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: GOPPachyderm
Pastor Hagee believes in a dual covenant....

Me too. I believe that God chose the Jews to bring Ethical Monotheism to the world, and that He chose America to spread Liberty therein.

52 posted on 12/22/2007 10:37:49 PM PST by onedoug
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To: Gurn

No correction? No retraction? Your lie stands alone?


53 posted on 12/22/2007 11:11:54 PM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: Ingtar

Hmmmm ??? I’d vote for Fred Thompson!!


54 posted on 12/23/2007 12:14:50 AM PST by CyberAnt (AMERICA: THE GREATEST FORCE for GOOD in the world!)
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To: wardaddy

I live in San Antonio and, although I am not a member of his church, I like Hagee. As has been said, he calls it like he sees it and that is the way I see it most of the time(conservative always, Republican usually).

I am a bit surprised that Hagee would provide implied support for the Huckster. They seem to hold very different viewpoints. Maybe Hagee is taking a few days off from writing sermons and needs to interject some entertainment value into the holiday season. His Sunday events are something to behold in person. TV does not do it justice.


55 posted on 12/23/2007 4:28:55 AM PST by ByteMercenary (9-11: supported everywhere by followers of the the cult of islam.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

What do all denominations have in common.... pass that plate. What drew me to conservatism was the idea that people are responsible for their own decisions. What turns me OFFFFF is any candidate using their faith (themselves) to make their heaven on this earth via their means and methods of either by force or legislating ‘guilt’ to strip clean bare the pockets of one’s own labor.

This modern era has allowed the two year old mentality to be elevated as the higher thinking, making and giving government, (which initially was by design to be the people) the god. Provider of all things and the legislator of sharing the misery factor.

My introduction to conservatism was ‘LAW & ORDER’, yet even through Republicanism that has been diluted to elevate a supposed pass the plate compassion to be above the LAW. There has been such a blending of liberalism and Republicanism, conservatism is becoming a thing of memory.


56 posted on 12/23/2007 4:54:49 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: wardaddy

The Catholic backlash won’t be here on FR. It will be in the voting booth. I’ve talked to two devout Catholics in the last few days, reliable Republican voters, who will not vote for Huckabee because of this, ever.

Huckabee may get the nomination, but he will never be President. Catholicism is the majority religion in both Florida and Ohio, and the churchgoing Catholics who tend to vote Republican won’t do so if they perceive the candidate to be bigoted against their religion.

First the Mormons, then the Catholics. Who will he tick off next?

This is a stupid move by Huckabee.


57 posted on 12/23/2007 5:31:16 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (An independent Freeper, not paid by any political campaign.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

I’m no Hagee fan either. I have listened to his Church services on the radio. He told an anti-Catholic Pope joke, and preached a sermon on prosperity, basically saying that he was rich because God loved him more than he loves others. Yuck. I turned the radio off.

San Antonio has several mega-churches, but Hagee is the only one who really rubs me the wrong way.


58 posted on 12/23/2007 5:37:25 AM PST by sockmonkey
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To: LadyNavyVet
First the Mormons, then the Catholics. Who will he tick off next?

Well, this Southern Baptist will never vote for him...

A long time ago, I was told about politics, "When you wrestle with pigs, you both get dirty - but the pig loves it!"

When you mix politics and religion, the name of God inevitably gets dragged through the mud - to the glee of non-believers.

I'm a conservative evangelical, but I understand the Bible can be interpreted in more than one way. Some of the folks sharing the pew may vote democrat. I disagree with that, but it doesn't disqualify someone as a Christian. It takes a Huckabee to claim someone with a different political belief "drinks a different Jesus juice."

And am I the only one who takes offense at Jesus being compared to a brand of drink?

60 posted on 12/23/2007 7:05:50 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Amnesty is Huckabee's middle name!)
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