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When Did Hillary See MLK?
WaPo and Books and Articles About HRC | 12/23/2007 | Me

Posted on 12/23/2007 8:07:55 AM PST by pjsbro

On March 4, 2007, at the 42nd Anniversary of Bloody Sunday in Selma, Alabama, Mrs. Clinton recounted how as a young girl she had the great privilege of hearing Dr. Martin Luther King speak in Chicago: “ The year was 1963”, Clinton said in her speech. “My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear someone that we had read about, we had watched on television, we had seen with our own eyes from a distance, this phenomenon known as Dr. King.

At Selma, Hillary said she had seen MLK in 1963, so she would have been 15 or 16 at that time. But authors Don Van Natta, Jr. and Jeff Gerth, (“Her Way”, 2007) seem to think that Hillary was then 17, which would have put her at a King speech in late 1964 or 1965. A Washington Post article a few weeks ago had Hillary at an MLK speech “on a Sunday night in 1962”. Carl Bernstein, the former WaPo writer in his book “A Woman In Charge”, says Hillary saw King in the the fall of 1961 (Hillary would have been 14 at that time). And the Boston Globe also recently had Clinton with King in the spring 1962.

So when was it? Was Hillary at King’s speech on that “cold night in January” 1963, or the spring of 1962. Was it 1965 or the fall of 1961?

Why can’t these “journalists” get their facts straight? Don’t they read each others accounts? Why hasn’t the media looked into these details, which are strikingly different in each account?


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There's MUCH more to this "story". The WaPo article is at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801526_pf.html.

A transcript of HRC's Selma speech is at http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/03/clintons_selma_speech_text.html

1 posted on 12/23/2007 8:07:56 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro

Her lips move she lies it is not a surprise


2 posted on 12/23/2007 8:09:57 AM PST by al baby (Hi mom)
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To: pjsbro
Mods: The title should be: When Did Hillary See Martin?

Can you fix?

3 posted on 12/23/2007 8:12:44 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro

A better question than “When did Hillary see Martin?” is “Did she ever see him at all?”


4 posted on 12/23/2007 8:14:29 AM PST by RichInOC (Hillary Rodham Clinton is a lying slag.)
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To: RichInOC

Bingo!!


5 posted on 12/23/2007 8:15:18 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro

Thanks for pointing out the propagandists propping up the liar.


6 posted on 12/23/2007 8:17:02 AM PST by PGalt
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To: pjsbro

A twenty-six-year-old Methodist youth minister named Donald
Jones arrived at First Methodist Church in Park Ridge. Jones was tall, had a blond crew cut, and drove a 1959 fire-engine red Impala convertible. More than a few young girls had crushes on him.


7 posted on 12/23/2007 8:17:25 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro

It would be interesting to see when and where MLK visited Chicago. Should be easy for an MLK biographer to catalog.

I figger about the time that Bill Clinton saw all them churches burning in Arkansas.


8 posted on 12/23/2007 8:17:49 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: pjsbro

If Hillary was seeing Dean Martin, she probably was in Vegas, not Selma.


9 posted on 12/23/2007 8:17:58 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: pjsbro

Who gives a damn? She’d be no less a communist.


10 posted on 12/23/2007 8:20:10 AM PST by onedoug
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To: pjsbro

http://www.hillaryproject.com/index.php?/en/story-details/hillary_clinton_and_her_martin_luther_king_jr


11 posted on 12/23/2007 8:23:03 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping that it will eat him last..)
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To: PGalt

After seeing the MSM fuss over Mitt Romney’s allegedly false recollection that his father had marched with Dr. King, I took to the internet to see how Mrs. Clinton’s claim would stand up to a not- so-rigorous Google and Lexis-Nexis search. I really wanted to see how much, if any, the MSM had researched the Clinton claim with nearly as much alacrity as they had the Romney claim.


12 posted on 12/23/2007 8:23:58 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro

Typical Clinton tactic-treating black Americans like fools too stupid to understanding they are being played for fools.


13 posted on 12/23/2007 8:25:35 AM PST by em2vn
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To: pjsbro
Heck, I wonder how old Martin was in the early '60s?


15 posted on 12/23/2007 8:27:03 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TornadoAlley3
I saw this link when I was researching this story.

But it is striking how these mainstream 'journalists' can't seem to agree on the basic details of this story.

16 posted on 12/23/2007 8:27:42 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro

So Hillary was in Selma liestening to MLK and Bubba was in Arkansas watching the KKK burn churches?


17 posted on 12/23/2007 8:35:44 AM PST by umgud (no more subprime politicians)
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To: pjsbro

Yet another Clintoon lie.


18 posted on 12/23/2007 8:35:58 AM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: pjsbro

http://www.hillarythemovie.com/trailer.html


19 posted on 12/23/2007 8:37:36 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: pjsbro

Hmmm. Did anyone ask the Hildabeast what this “Martin” looked like?


20 posted on 12/23/2007 8:40:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Baynative
And ten years later this old bat was nekkid, in the hallway outside my apartment, puking under the door.

Bet she remembers that.

21 posted on 12/23/2007 8:41:36 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: george76

“Hillary’s Choice” by Gail Sheehy (10/1999) Excerpted in Chicago Sun-Times-Dec 10, 1999-According to Sheehy, in January 1963 Hillary was taken to see MLK at Orchestra Hall in Chicago. Hillary was 15 at the time. Reverend Jones did not ask permission from the parents of the 20 children he shepherded. “His [King’s] message was entitled “Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution.” (It was one of the earliest versions of the speech by the same name delivered by Dr. King at the National Cathedral in Washington four days before his assassination on April 4,
1968.) His basso profundo voice building,

“A WOMAN IN CHARGE: The Life of Hillary Rodham CLinton” June 5, 2007-According to Bernstein, Jones was assigned to Hillary’s church during the summer of 1961. “That fall, when MLK jr again came to preach in Chicago, Jones took Hillary and other members of his youth group to Orchestra Hall to hear him.

Bernstein: some parents had refused to let their children go, but Dorothy had granted Hillary permission. After the program, Jones took his awed students backstage to meet Dr. King. King’s sermon, “Sleeping Through the Revolution”.

“HER WAY: The Hopes and Ambitions of Hillary Rodham Clinton” by Jeff Gerth and Don Van NAtt 2007): in the fall of 1961, another change in administration would further challenge Hillary’s beliefs.
A twenty-six-year-old Methodist youth minister named Donald
Jones arrived at First Methodist Church in Park Ridge. Jones was tall, had a blond crew cut, and drove a 1959 fire-engine
red Impala convertible. More than a few young girls had crushes on him. Most notably, every Sunday and Thursday evening, beginning that September, Reverend Jones taught his University of Life program, which included a heavy helping of radical politics, poetry, art history, and countercultural thought.

Van Natta, Jr.:When Hillary was seventeen, [That would be 1n October 1964] Jones announced that he was going
to take the group to hear King speak at Chicago’s Orchestra Hall.Hillary was thrilled, though some of her friends’ parents refused permission for their children to listen to the “rabble-rouser.” More than one thousand people were there, and Hillary was enchanted with King and his speech, which was entitled “Remaining Awake through a Revolution.” After the speech, Jones escorted Hillary and her friends to meet King.

Sally Jenkins, WAPO article Dec 9, 2007, “Growing Up Rodham”: a day in 1961 when Don Jones blew into town, in a red Chevy Impala convertible. The new youth minister at the First United Methodist Church wore white
bucks and played the guitar. Jones arranged discussions with disadvantaged children in Chicago and took his youth group to hear Martin Luther King Jr. speak at Orchestra Hall on a Sunday night in 1962. King’s address was “Sleeping Through the Revolution,” and in his vibrato he decried suburbanites who passed the poor by. Jones introduced the children to King personally, and Hillary was so affected that she volunteered to babysit for the children of migrant workers during harvest.

Chicago Sun-Times Blog (http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2007/03/clintons_selma_speech_text.html) HRC’s Selma Speech, Sunday, March 4, 2007: The year was 1963. My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear someone that we had read about, we had watched on television, we had seen with our own eyes from a distance, this phenomenon known as Dr. King.

He titled the sermon he gave that night “Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution.”

Boston Globe, 10.21-2007-Marcella Bombardieri Globe Staff: Page A1: Clinton has said she knew almost nothing about Martin Luther King Jr. until Jones brought a
group from the church to hear King speak at Chicago’s Orchestra Hall in spring 1962.

Washington Post-03-10-1992/Style page E1-Lloyd Grove, Washington Post Staff Writer Hillary’s mother, Dorothy Rodham, attributes her liberal-Democrat identity, athwart the rock-ribbed Goldwater Republicanism of Hillary’s businessman-father Hugh, to her experiences at the local Methodist church, working with the underprivileged in Chicago’s inner city and caring for the children of Mexican migrant workers in rural Illinois. “I know that was very meaningful to her. It kind of opened her eyes,” said the Rev. Don Jones, an ethics professor at New Jersey’s Drew University who was the youth minister of Hillary’s church. “I remember that when she was 16, I took the whole youth group to Chicago to hear this famous preacher one Sunday night in Orchestra Hall. Afterward, we all went up and I introduced her to Martin Luther King Jr.”

Washington Post, January 11, 1993, The Education of Hillary Clinton, Martha Sherill, Washington Post Staff Writer, Style, Page B1: “Donald Jones arrived in Park Ridge when Hillary was in ninth grade. He was 30 years old...Under Jones’s tutelage, there were lake camp retreats with swimming, winter retreats with
skiing — but he also took “The University of Life” to the South Side of Chicago to meet street kids, gang kids, blacks, Hispanics at a youth center there, actually leading them all in a successful discussion of “Guernica.” And in 1962, he took them into the city again, to Chicago’s “Sunday Evening Club,” to hear the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. speak. “Hillary still talks about it, remembers it vividly,” says Jones. “She says that afterward, I took everybody backstage to meet Reverend King. Now, I can’t say that I recall this precisely, but she says that I introduced King to each of the kids, one by one.”


22 posted on 12/23/2007 8:46:04 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: RichInOC

Better question, why would I care.
I could care less if she saw him 40yrs ago.
Will not tell me abything i do not know about her already.
I know Hillary lies when ever she speaks, it is all I need to know.


23 posted on 12/23/2007 8:46:28 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: al baby
It is habitual with both of them... Somehow the MSM just ignores it. “Let Clinton be Clinton” means let them just tell any story they want they are so wonderful!

On the other hand it looks like neither one of them can remember anything correctly so someone might ask if they aren’t both showing the first signs of Alzheimer's disease.

24 posted on 12/23/2007 8:51:15 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: RedEyeJack

Do you recall anything about Romney saying he saw his father march with Dr. King?


25 posted on 12/23/2007 8:52:43 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: Nailbiter

Not only did HRC hear Dr. King speak, she was introduced to him by after the program by her youth minister.


26 posted on 12/23/2007 8:54:18 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro

Good idea to check out Hillary’s truthfulness, but would she lie to us? :)

The best way to ask the Mods to fix the title is probably to hit abuse on your own post & insert the request where you are supposed to describe the abuse.

Otherwise, the Mods are less likely to see your question to them, especially if you address your question to yourself.

Another way to increase the chance of the Mod changing the title is to address a public post to the Admin Moderator. Maybe that’s what you intended to do.


27 posted on 12/23/2007 8:54:21 AM PST by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: BillF

Thanks for your help but how do I address the Admin Moderator?


28 posted on 12/23/2007 8:56:37 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: pjsbro
Bookmark
Bump
29 posted on 12/23/2007 8:57:36 AM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: pjsbro

You address “Almighty High and Mystic Ruler”.


30 posted on 12/23/2007 8:59:00 AM PST by REDWOOD99
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To: Lancey Howard
Heck, I wonder how old Martin was in the early '60s?

THAT Martin wasn't even a gleam in his father's eye yet!

31 posted on 12/23/2007 9:01:35 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW!)
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To: pjsbro
“Do you recall anything about Romney saying he saw his father march with Dr. King?”

The way I heard it Edmund Hillery took him to watch his dad and King march thru burning black churches in Arkansas while cheering for his life-long favorite team, the New York Yankees.

32 posted on 12/23/2007 9:02:27 AM PST by RedEyeJack
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To: pjsbro
I'm rushing to vote for the most religious candidate and the one who saw MLK the most.

Some of these people need to get serious.

33 posted on 12/23/2007 9:03:15 AM PST by purpleraine
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To: pjsbro

Hit the “Report Abuse” button just under the keywords. When the box comes up, ask the mod to change the title as you request.


34 posted on 12/23/2007 9:04:01 AM PST by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: pjsbro
We know you meant to post- "When the Hillary Did Hillary See Martin?"
35 posted on 12/23/2007 9:05:41 AM PST by mikrofon (Merry Christmas)
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To: BillF

Thanks Bill. Done


36 posted on 12/23/2007 9:06:03 AM PST by pjsbro
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Saw him! She and George Romney MARCHED with him!

And Mitt watched!


37 posted on 12/23/2007 9:06:56 AM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: pjsbro

The point I was making is that she just meeting someone famous, is in in of itself irrelvant to whether she can be good pres. I know she cannot, because she lacks moral compass.
How do I know she islacking??
Easy she lies when she has no need.


38 posted on 12/23/2007 9:07:56 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: pjsbro
Not only did HRC hear Dr. King speak, she was introduced to him by after the program by her youth minister.

An introduction the pastor himself doesn't remember: "Now, I can’t say that I recall this precisely, but she says that I introduced King to each of the kids, one by one.”

BTW, good cites in your post 22.

39 posted on 12/23/2007 9:13:44 AM PST by Eroteme
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To: pjsbro
According to the Chicago Historical Society MLK first came to speak in 1964.

In 1966 King moved into a 'slum' apartment on the West Side. That summer is also when he led some marches into White neighborhoods for 'open housing'.

40 posted on 12/23/2007 9:18:00 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: Eroteme
The amazing thing to me is how all these so-called journalists can't get simple facts straight. To me the whole story of HRC's going to hear King was totally fabricated.

Recall that Romney was raked over the coals by media and bloggers when he said he "saw" his father march with Dr. King.

41 posted on 12/23/2007 9:18:33 AM PST by pjsbro
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To: Condor51
According to the Chicago Historical Society MLK first came to speak in 1964

How do you know this?

42 posted on 12/23/2007 9:20:42 AM PST by pjsbro
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That was then and this is now Hillary..In the mean time when was it you started working for the commie party...Was it when you met or saw Martin which by the way some say was a commie too..

http://www.martinlutherking.org/thebeast.html

While looking up things on King I ran across this..Could it be that Hillary knew him from the commie friends they both knew..I never could understand why a person like King had a holiday named for him..


43 posted on 12/23/2007 9:22:13 AM PST by PLD
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To: umgud

“So Hillary was in Selma liestening to MLK and Bubba was in Arkansas watching the KKK burn churches?”

I’m guessing it was closer to the time Bubba and his buddy were riding in the back of buses in Arkansas to show solidarity with Rosa Parks.


44 posted on 12/23/2007 9:22:29 AM PST by Will88
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To: pjsbro

From what I understand this youth minister was later fired by the congregation.

I don’t know the specifics, but I do know if my child was being taken without my knowledge to be brainwashed and radicalized, I would raise the roof at this church.


45 posted on 12/23/2007 9:23:39 AM PST by I still care ("Remember... for it is the doom of men that they forget" - Merlin, from Excalibur)
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To: pjsbro

The Clinton’s have trouble with the word “is”, Romney has the same problem between see & saw.


46 posted on 12/23/2007 9:23:57 AM PST by BigFinn
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To: al baby
Photobucket This is the face of an innocent woman/sarc.
47 posted on 12/23/2007 9:25:59 AM PST by Plains Drifter (If guns kill people, wouldn't there be a lot of dead people at gun shows?)
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To: pjsbro

Hillary, all of us your age saw Dr. King. So why are you making your seeing him a big deal?


48 posted on 12/23/2007 9:28:20 AM PST by popdonnelly (Get Reid. Salazar, and Harkin out of the Senate.)
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To: pjsbro; dixiechick2000; WKB

good lord..............the fawning worship of race hucksterism

how inspiring

*I knew Charlie Evers.....does that count?

oh yeah...and Hodding Carter and Pat Derian too?


49 posted on 12/23/2007 9:30:42 AM PST by wardaddy (I have come to the conclusion that even though imperfect....Thompson is my choice by far.)
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To: pjsbro
Not only did HRC hear Dr. King speak, she was introduced to him by after the program by her youth minister.

I am sitting here wondering did she kiss his ring.

50 posted on 12/23/2007 9:30:43 AM PST by TYVets (God so loved the world he didn't send a committee)
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