I have a real problem having to prove I’m not guilty -vs- the assumption of innocence until proven guilty.
Since it’s not a crime to not be an American citizen, what’s the problem?
I have a real problem with illegal aliens killing police officers
That's nice.
If stopped for a traffic infraction, you have to prove you have a valid driver's license.
Is that a problem, too?
."Hispanic-American Rudy (Cheech Marin) is just having a fine day until an immigration raid as he's wrongfully prosecuted as an illegal immigrant. He doesn't know a word of spanish and forgot to bring his wallet and ID, he's forced to be deported to Mexico as he must find a way to get back to the U.S. even if he has to work for a club owner (Daniel Stern) for money."
http://www.amazon.com/Born-East-L-Chastity-Ayala/dp/B0000714BQ/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1198439193&sr=8-1
Can you say, "reasonable attorney fee" and "class action" under 42 U.S.C. 1983 and 42 U.S.C. 1988?
Well, if you want to clean up your back yard, you will have to do a little foot work to help your state clean it up!
What's big deal making a copy of your Birth Certificate/Green Card and keep it in your wallet?...valid DL=no problem...have a nice day.
Think that one has been to the courts, it's a non starter.
festus wrote: I have a real problem having to prove I’m not guilty -vs- the assumption of innocence until proven guilty.
Things must be getting slow down at the old police station. The newspaper story makes this procedure sound like another make work program to me. If as the story states: "Scottsdale Mayor Mary Manross supports the policy change and said that because every suspect is asked about citizenship, police are not engaged in racial profiling."
I often go about my business without carrying anything whatsoever that could be used to identify me, much less prove what state my allegiance is to. It is a rare day when you find me with more than three dollars in my pocket, because almost all of my purchases with the exception of sundry items are made with a credit card. I do have a drivers license because the state sends me one every 5 years for a small fee, but that is in my billfold which sets on the kitchen counter for weeks on end.
I have a question, could any of you tell me what papers you carry to prove your allegiance is to the United States? I do have a birth certificate certified by the clerk of the county in which I was born. Perhaps my DD-214 might be used to establish my allegiance.? Maybe I can use my High School Diploma or how about a transcript of the grades I received while attending college.? Perhaps you would be satisfied if I produced printed cards attesting to my membership in such organizations as the Boy Scouts, the Elks, or the Marine Corps League. I don't carry any of those things with me and I might have to search awhile to find several of them. What do all of you carry?
I have been living in this country for the best part of a Century. During all that time I have never been asked for proof of my citizenship. I fly the Stars and Stripes on a pole right outside my front door, and I am Infuriated with the very thought that anyone especially one of our elected officials would have the audacity to question my citizenship.
Semper Fi
An Old Man
Huh? Your guilt or innocence isn't in question. When you're arrested for committing a crime or misdemeanor, you'll be asked to prove that you're legally here. If you can't prove it and your English isn't fluent (I added that because nobody will admit to any “racial profiling"), then they contact ICE to find out who you are and what's your record.
If you're here illegally, you'll be deported before or after a trial and sentencing for what you did.
It’s not a matter of guilt of innocence, it’s a matter of criminal trespassing. Besides, guilt or innocence is a legal term, it has nothing to do with consequences for ones actions.
[I have a real problem having to prove I’m not guilty -vs- the assumption of innocence until proven guilty.]
Isn’t the fact they have invalid (stolen) ID, no drivers license, can’t speak English, and give a phoney address enough PC to ask the questions?
They're not kicking down doors or pulling people out of cars randomly. They've already been arrested for some crime. Shouldn't you have to prove your identity if you're arrested? If not, I could rob a bank and say I was you, get out on bail and you go to jail. Checking citzenship during an arrest should be required.
Do you have a problem showing your passport when entering customs after a trip abroad?
I don't.
I kind of have a problem with this too. Let me see... I was born in Detroit, but I don’t carry a birth certificate to prove it, only a Colorado DL, an El Paso County CCW permit, my military ID... lemme see, Ham radio license... Ummm.... Social Security Card, NRA card and library card. None of those SAY I’m a citizen....
Then again, I served 26 years in the military, and my ham license can’t be issued to a foreign citizen (not the way it is issued, though foreigners can hold a temporary US license while visiting).
My DL isn’t “proof”...
My CCW permit required my birth certificate I think, I can’t remember now...
So... am I a citizen if I can’t “prove it”? Hmmmm