HEEHAW, HEEHAW
Posted on 12/24/2007 5:41:16 AM PST by stillafreemind
Well, that's not the way it happened. In 2000, for example, here are the results of the Hawkeye Caukeye:
87,666 total votes. Bush 35,948 (40.99%), Forbes 26,744 (30.50%), Keyes 12,496 (14.24%), Bauer 7,487 (8.53%), McCain 4,093 (4.67%), Hatch 898 (1.02%)
If simply playing the Christian card were enough, especially in the GOP Iowa Caucuses, Keyes and Bauer would have creamed the rest. Forbes was mostly a secular pro-growth candidate and McCain didn't play the Christian Card and between them, you have 35%. I don't remember Bush playing the Christian Card in Iowa, at most I remember one debate, where he said that Jesus most influenced him as a philosopher. What else did he do?
I don't know Bobby Tall Horse. I don't support Huckabee. But I resent this "duped again" stuff.
HEEHAW, HEEHAW
Now see, I took that differently than you did. I took it that people were so glad to see and hear that Bush was a Christian that they didn’t go deep enough on his conservatism. Maybe I took Bobby wrong there, huh?
What were our options realistically in 2000? I liked Forbes, but he had never been elected to anything. McCain was running as an anti-Republican "maverick", opposed tax cuts and was beloved of the MSM. Keyes was a terrific orator, but a nutter. Bauer had also never been elected to anything.
Dubya had been Governor, won election in Texas twice, run on cutting taxes, a sane foreign policy and generally as a conservative. Bush would've won, if he'd never mentioned Jesus.
That is amazing.
I didn’t quite make clear; but there are also the usual hucksters out there Godly or not.
The dog can stay; but keep him away from that awful son of his.
Saving the Republican Party
Our party can not survive unless we adhere to our basic conservative principles and nominate a person whose values lie in those principles and one that all Republicans will support. If we fail, history will record the death of the Republican party as occurring during the caucus primaries of 2008. This is not speculation on my part, but the opinion of many other experts in political science. Many republicans and independents would either vote for a democrat or abstain, rather than vote for anything less than a person with "true conservative" values.
Take a closer look at the candidates
Rudy Giuliani is intelligent and has proven himself to be capable as mayor of New York City, however Rudy is a liberal in every sense of the word. He is pro-abortion, pro-gay, and pro-gun control. I just can't vote for someone who "cross dresses" and marches in gay pride parades. He is liberal, no other way to put it. He would not represent the values of the Republican party and would not garner the support of all Republicans by any stretch of the imagination. Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.
Mitt Romney is sharp, intelligent and on the face seems to be a good candidate to save the party. If you look closer you will find that in the past few years he has supported sanctuary cities for illegal aliens, supported pro-choice on the abortion issue, supported gay marriages and was elected governor of the most liberal state in the union. Mitt's Mormon religion is not a factor and should not be a factor in America. Mitt may have made a real change as he has stated and may have come to embrace a conservative views on the issues, but he'll have to prove it to me AND that may take years. Mitt might be make a good president for the republican party one day, but not in 2008. Mitt should wait a few years and give us the proof we need that in fact he is a "real conservative" as he says he is. The Republican Party would not be united behind Mitt in 2008, due to his religion. This is a shame , but a fact. We would loose to the Democrats in 2008 if Mitt was nominated.
Mike Huckabee is a good speaker, probably a nice guy and I'm sure an excellent preacher. Mike is conservative on only two issues, abortion and marriage. He is a populist liberal on all other important issues. His popularity base is evangelicals who can't seem to separate religion from electing the leader of the free world. . He was even endorsed by the Democratic governor of Ohio, who said that he reflected Democratic liberal views as well as the other Democratic candidates. He has even went so far as to criticize President Bush, calling his foreign policy "bunker mentality". Huckabee is a Democrat running as a republican, no other way to put it. He would divide the republican party and cause a division from which we could not recover. He is more dangerous to the republican party than having a democrat elected. Probably the most dangerous thing about Huckabee is his naivetie on how to deal foreign policy and the threats facing our nation today. To put it bluntly, he is ignorant on foreign affairs and the part the United States plays as being the premier world superpower and bastion of freedom. Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.
John McCain is a true American hero and I honor and respect him for all he has given in the service of his country during the Viet Nam war. John is a conservative on most issues, but John tends to flip -flop on the issues. Last year he and the despicable Edward Kennedy were two of the main players in the Amnesty Bill that Pres. Bush was pushing down the throats of the American people. Thank God the people spoke up and the bill was defeated. If McCain was the nominated and elected I have no doubts that he would revive that very bill and the next time it may pass. I don't trust him to stop illegal immigration and therefore he gets "thumbs down" from me. He also tends to be a little "hot headed" at times. I'm not sure we need an emotional "hot head" with his finger on the button, if you know what I mean. The Republican party would not unite behind McCain due to a lack of trust. We would loose to the Democrats in 2008 .
Ron Paul...can you say "nut case"....Ron has a libiterian view of what the world and the US should be like. He is so far off having "true conservative" values, he is not worth discussion. The fringe radicals seem to like his message , much the way people who bought in to Ross Perot did some years ago. Ron's idea of US foreign policy is for the US to withdraw from everywhere and become an isolationist country and "everybody would leave us alone" Total BS. Ron could not unite the party, in fact he would cause a split. Death of the Republican Party as we know it would occur if he was the nominee.
Duncan Hunter..... A "true conservative" in every sense of the word. Duncan is strong on all conservative issues, especially illegal immigration. Duncan could unite the party behind him. Our party would have someone that all republicans could support. The liberal media has failed to get behind Duncan, which is what should be expected. They would prefer a republican candidate , like Huckabee, which would divide our party and be easier for the democrats to defeat next November. Duncan gets a "thumbs up" from me.
Fred Thompson. Fred is the only candidate that is conservative on all issues. He is a Federalist, meaning that he is a supporter of states rights and less government. Fred is the candidate that there are absolutely no negatives. He has never flipped his position on any issue. Fred is the one candidate that would appeal to every Republican. Ron Paul supporters might be the exception, but most of them are libertarian and nothing short of a revolutionary would please them anyway. Fred is for lower taxes, stronger military, anti abortion, anti gay-marriage, stopping illegal immigration and less government involvement in our lives, all main stay issues of the Republican Party. Fred is the only candidate in the list that could unite the party and defeat the democrats in 2008.
Just the Facts... check them out for yourself. America awaits your decision.
Huckabee has surged because he won a couple of debates and he’s got evangelical support. If a quick rise can happen to the liberal pro-life evangelical Huckster, it can happen to the conservative pro-life evangelical Hunter.
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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts
Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts
I think that about sums it up.
I have been a southern Protestant (Presbyterian) all of my life and have been a member of three churches as I have moved for my career. I would not vote for ANY of my ministers, or associate ministers, for ANY elected office. They are trained to be socialists.
In college/grad school, I dated a lovely girl who got her M.Div. at Yale Divinity School. We broke up because I was an avowed capitalist working on my MBA and she could not reconcile that with her school work and the environment at Yale.
Both of us did just fine in our chosen professions and family life, BTW.
The author of this piece needs to get off his high horse.
Nailed It.
Thanks. I hope this laid back modern Elmer Gantry can’t pull the wool over too many good but gullible eyes.
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