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Americans Clearly Divided on Gun Control
Angus Reid Global Monitor ^ | December 26, 2007 | NA

Posted on 12/26/2007 10:10:53 AM PST by neverdem

People in the United States are almost evenly split between those who want tighter firearm legislation and those who believe this is unnecessary, according to a poll by Rasmussen Reports. 42 per cent of respondents believe their country needs stricter gun control laws, while 44 per cent disagree.

The U.S. Constitution’s Second Amendment guarantees Americans the right "to keep and bear arms." Some American states have enacted their own gun control regulations, independent of existing federal legislation.

Earlier this month, eight people died inside a Nebraska shopping mall when 19-year-old Robert Hawkins fired over 30 rounds of ammunition. Hawkins later killed himself.

In April, Cho Seung-hui killed 32 people—fellow students and teachers—at the Virginia Tech University campus in two separate incidents, before turning his gun on himself. The shooting is the deadliest of its kind in American history and revived a debate on whether the country should introduce new legislation on gun control. In December 2005, Virginia judge Paul Barnett stated that Cho presented "an imminent danger to himself as a result of mental illness."

On Dec. 20, the U.S. Congress approved legislation aimed at keeping guns away from mentally ill persons. The bill, which has yet to be signed into law by U.S. president George W. Bush, would demand background checks for gun buyers in order to determine whether their mental health status is clear. Democratic New York congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy—a chief sponsor of the bill—saluted the successful vote, saying, "Together, we have crafted a bill that will prevent gun violence, but maintain the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens."


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1 posted on 12/26/2007 10:10:53 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

No armed government with unarmed populace. Live free or die. I am keeping my gun.


2 posted on 12/26/2007 10:15:12 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: neverdem
What kills me is the folks who scream “get your laws off my body” and that abortion is in the Constitution are the ones trying to put their laws on my guns while declaring the second amendment does not allow me to possess a firearm.

Loons.

3 posted on 12/26/2007 10:15:12 AM PST by Vision (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: neverdem

I think only the mentally fit should be able to enjoy First Amendment rights (sarc). I wonder how the American people would respond to a pollster who asked that kind of question.


4 posted on 12/26/2007 10:15:28 AM PST by demshateGod (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: neverdem
Notice how Angus Reid ignored Jeanne Assam in Colorado.

I'm sure that was just an inadvertent oversight. </sarcasm>

5 posted on 12/26/2007 10:22:44 AM PST by Bob
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To: neverdem

The author of this article failed to note the complete prohibition of guns on the VT campus, which is the end-popint of “stricter laws” and the fact the massacre still happened. Furthermore, the article places the two positions between “more laws are needed” and “more laws aren’t needed” without allowing the possibility that “too many laws are present and should be repealed.” For example, the prohibition at VT that allowed the shooter to rack up such a high death toll without opposition or resistance.


6 posted on 12/26/2007 10:22:47 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: neverdem
42 per cent of respondents believe their country needs stricter gun control...

It isn't up for debate or compromise. The right to keep and bear arms is not a right because the government grants it - instead, the government is only legitimate because it recognizes the right. Push enough gun control and the effort will spawn a civil war.

7 posted on 12/26/2007 10:24:26 AM PST by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: neverdem
What amuses me, is the fact that all the examples listed were already “gun-free zones” meaning that guns shouldn’t have been there in the first place. Seems to me if we had less “gun free zones” and more folks carrying, then we’d have less of these massacres...
8 posted on 12/26/2007 10:24:34 AM PST by Kidan (Tolerance is the virtue of a man without convictions - G.K. Chesterton)
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To: neverdem

The first question is a setup:

1. How closely have you followed recent news stories about shootings in Colorado?


9 posted on 12/26/2007 10:26:14 AM PST by donna (Duncan Hunter: US Army, 1969-1971, with service in Vietnam)
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To: neverdem

42 to 44 percent, but which way is it moving?


10 posted on 12/26/2007 10:28:30 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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To: neverdem

I noticed


11 posted on 12/26/2007 10:28:47 AM PST by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: neverdem
Notice how Angus Reid ignored Jeanne Assam in Colorado.

I did notice that. Every year hundreds of home invasions, robberies, etc. are foiled when the intended victim is able to defend himself with a firearm.

This is never mentioned in these gun control pieces.

I'll be keeping my guns. And if Hillary gets elected, we'll be needing them more than ever.

12 posted on 12/26/2007 10:30:44 AM PST by cowboyway
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To: neverdem

13 posted on 12/26/2007 10:32:27 AM PST by Daffynition (The quieter you become, the more you are able to hear.)
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To: Kidan; Xenalyte

Where I live they don’t have any like free gun zones; I know because i’ve had to go to the gun store and pay for one, well I’d have to pay if they would acutallyy wiiat on me; the basturds always through me out. I dunno, it’s like they won’t sell you a gun if you had a few drinks, you know. I evne volonteered to do the wait thing till they todl me it was three days which I pointed out was why i’d come in with the bottle in a bag, I mean, you don’t expect I gotta sit at hte store for 3 damned days with nothing to dow fro crise sake, and then what, they throwed me out.

So where are those free gun zones anyway?


14 posted on 12/26/2007 10:32:48 AM PST by glide625
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To: neverdem

There aren’t a whole lot of things I view as political absolutes or imperatives; the second amendment is one of them. My message to the libs on this one is simple: I’m willing to die trying to defend the amendment; are you willing to die trying to take it away from me?


15 posted on 12/26/2007 10:33:21 AM PST by damondonion
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To: neverdem
I had an dream last night about two men in Wal Mart who had their guns on their hips and they were dressed in western style attire.

Out of curiously I asked the men how come they are not concealing their guns per our state laws.

The man came right out and said would you rather me have it handy or have to take the time to reach down and have to retrieve it if some nut case decides to go on a rampage.

Mmmm rather you had it handy.

So I guess in my dream I didnt realize the law changed.

Have no clue where that was in my mind that I had to dream about it...btw could not find one thing I needed to buy and I left in an RX 7 (have no clue about that either as I have driven a van for the last 25yrs).

16 posted on 12/26/2007 10:35:13 AM PST by Global2010 ( I yell Go Hunter and my Lab runs to the door. Dang.)
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To: neverdem
Polls are only a monitor to those who impose their opinions upon others as to how effectively their message is getting out. Nothing more...
17 posted on 12/26/2007 10:35:20 AM PST by jcparks (Claire, Its time)
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To: neverdem
Oh, really "Americans are Clearly divided on Gun Control." Then why, oh why, have our liberal/socialists in the dimocRAT party totally shut the door on any discussion of individual gun ownership, Al Gore, Jr. lose his own state of TN during the 2000 election, just to mention a few?

dimocRATS also have pollsters and they know how to read the results, thus they have dropped their "gun control" mantra in all but the most liberal cities/states. If the 'RATS thought they'd win on that issue, then they would surely run on it.

Just like raising taxes, and other socialist agenda items, they are pretty much silent on those issues UNTIL they get elected.

18 posted on 12/26/2007 10:35:42 AM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: neverdem

“We have no clear mental health data on Applicant Y, therefore we must deny his/her request for a gun permit.”

It will go there, and it will go much farther.

RIGHT to keep and bear arms...


19 posted on 12/26/2007 10:35:42 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: neverdem

I’m not divided about it.

And I don’t give a rats ass what the other half thinks.


20 posted on 12/26/2007 10:36:28 AM PST by Larry Lucido (Hunter 2008)
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To: neverdem
Oh, bull. Carolyn McCarthy has NEVER been about gun rights. EVER.

In case anyone was wondering, find out who sponsored HB1022.
21 posted on 12/26/2007 10:39:19 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: M203M4
"It isn't up for debate or compromise. The right to keep and bear arms is not a right because the government grants it - instead, the government is only legitimate because it recognizes the right. Push enough gun control and the effort will spawn a civil war."

It should NOT be up for debate or compromise, but unfortunately, it is. The SC has cut into the 1st Amendment in the area of political speech while extending pornographic speech, etc., and it has taken a big chunk of our property rights, without much fuss from the citizens on either. I fear that the 2nd Amendment is going to receive worse treatment when the case from D.C. is ruled on.

22 posted on 12/26/2007 10:41:18 AM PST by penowa
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To: OCCASparky

Whoops—meant HR 1022—that’s the bill that reimposes an even stricter version of the so-called “assault weapons ban”.


23 posted on 12/26/2007 10:41:35 AM PST by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: neverdem

Cold. Dead. Hands.


24 posted on 12/26/2007 10:43:57 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: neverdem

“How is a sincere criminal, trying hard, going to get ahead in his profession if his victim fails to cooperate?
Almost all crime depends on the cooperation of the victim. If the victim refuses his assigned role, the criminal is placed at a disadvantage, one so severe that it usually takes an understanding and compassionate judge to set right.”

LAZARUS LONG


25 posted on 12/26/2007 10:47:12 AM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: neverdem

I find this hard to believe. It’s another stupid article to make things appear fair and balanced and to make you mad and to distract you. Wonder what the powers that be are up to in their late night meetings?

I don’t believe most Americans are going to want to give up their guns.


26 posted on 12/26/2007 10:48:34 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: demshateGod

Mr. Journalist who wants to abolish the Second Amendment,

Before publishing your column calling for the eradication of gun rights did you do all of the following?

a) Undergo a Federal background check to see if you should be allowed to exercise your First Amendment rights.

b) Fill out and sign an affidavit to testify that you should be allowed to exercise your First Amendment rights.

c) Wait for five days to “cool down” before you exercised your First Amendment rights.

d) Have your column writings tested by local authorities with a copy of your writing style on file. (Otherwise known as a “ballistic fingerprinting”)

e) Have the serial number of your column recorded with your name and address by local, state, and federal authorities.

f) Get fingerprinted by your local police.

g) Take a mandatory 16-hour Journalism Safety course.

h) Have your name and address published in the local newspaper stating that you had applied for a permit to carry your column around with you.
(In Ohio)

j) Are you required to keep your columns locked in a cabinet when not in use.

k) are you allowed to write only one column every 30 days?


27 posted on 12/26/2007 10:55:26 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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To: neverdem
Article Headline:
Americans Clearly Divided on Gun Control

However, note this tidbit at the bottom of the original: This telephone survey of 800 Likely Voters

So based on that the headline SHOULD read:

800 Americans Clearly Divided on Gun Control

But this gem is from their original Dec 18th release of the same poll:

There is a strong partisan difference on the issue of gun control. A majority (62%) of Democrats say that the country needs stricter gun control laws.

Only 25% of Republicans feel the same way.

Sooooooo, if only 25% (200 of 800) of Republicans 'want' stricter laws (which I think is BS), how many MORE democrats made up the poll to get up to this 42% (336 of 800)????

My conclusion is that this poll is utter Brady Bunch propaganda bullcarp.

oh and BIG surprise that RATS want more GC laws - not.

28 posted on 12/26/2007 10:57:29 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: neverdem
"Divided" my ass.


29 posted on 12/26/2007 10:58:44 AM PST by pabianice
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30 posted on 12/26/2007 10:58:48 AM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: yldstrk

Isn’t it amazing how the MSN just ignores all those people the half ass cop blew away.


31 posted on 12/26/2007 11:02:37 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: neverdem
The poll that will never be written about: http://www.usatoday.com/news/quickquestion/2007/november/popup5895.htm

Good Hunting... from Varmint Al

32 posted on 12/26/2007 11:02:39 AM PST by Varmint Al
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To: neverdem
"...the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." US Constitution

Period! End of story!

33 posted on 12/26/2007 11:09:01 AM PST by mort56
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To: neverdem
On Dec. 20, the U.S. Congress approved legislation aimed at keeping guns away from mentally ill persons.

I thought there were already restrictions on mentally ill people owning guns. They've worked really well I see.

I wish that just for once, some of these people would see that passing laws doesn't affect the behavior of criminals. If they cared about obeying the laws, they wouldn't be criminals. Anyone who's bound and determined to shoot up place will get the gun to do it, no matter what laws and restrictions are in place. It's called the black market.

34 posted on 12/26/2007 11:12:47 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: glide625
Where I live they don’t have any like free gun zones; I know because i’ve had to go to the gun store and pay for one, well I’d have to pay if they would acutallyy wiiat on me; the basturds always through me out. I dunno, it’s like they won’t sell you a gun if you had a few drinks, you know. I evne volonteered to do the wait thing till they todl me it was three days which I pointed out was why i’d come in with the bottle in a bag, I mean, you don’t expect I gotta sit at hte store for 3 damned days with nothing to dow fro crise sake, and then what, they throwed me out. So where are those free gun zones anyway?

You raise an interesting thought there. Gun free zones and free gun zones are exactly the same thing.
35 posted on 12/26/2007 11:16:42 AM PST by BerryDingle (With friends like the media, who needs enemas?)
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To: demshateGod

Why would anyone be interested in a poll?

Technically speaking, inalienable/unalienable rights that pre-exist the very formation of the country, and constitution, are not subject to public opinion. They left that part out, conveniently.


36 posted on 12/26/2007 11:19:12 AM PST by Freedom4US
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To: neverdem

oh the 42% half to me dimwits (dems)


37 posted on 12/26/2007 11:25:17 AM PST by angelcindy ("Where's the Fence??")
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To: yldstrk

I’m with you. Molon Labe!


38 posted on 12/26/2007 11:35:17 AM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: glide625; BerryDingle
I have discovered Glide625's real identity.



That, or he's A+Bert.
39 posted on 12/26/2007 11:55:38 AM PST by Xenalyte (Can you count, suckas? I say the future is ours . . . if you can count.)
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To: neverdem
I hate this kind of stupid formulation: "Americans are clearly divided..." - on every issue their is a difference of opinion. That by definition is a "clear division". It says NOTHING.

Second, American voters vote against anti-gun, ie anti-self defense, candidates. When the Republicans won the majority in Congress in '94 for the first time in 40 years, President Bill Clinton, no mean political analyst, blamed the Democrats push for gun control for the loss of about 26 seats. If "gun control" were a 50-50 proposition and gun control has 100% backing in the MSM and the elites, why have the Democrats given up on "gun control"? Why have over 35 States passed Concealed Carry Weapon laws, since Florida started the trend in '87? Why would Democrat Presidential Candidate John Effin' Kerry see the need to dress up in camo, carry a shotgun and go bird hunting?

The political reality is that "gun control" is a political loser. Why has there been zero, ZERO, public demand and push for more "gun control" after Virginia Tech, the Omaha Mall and the Colorado church attacks? And Angus-Reid, whoever the h*** he is, can bloviate all he wants about the polls, but the professional politicians, who actually need to get votes, ignore ol' Angus-Reid.

40 posted on 12/26/2007 11:58:33 AM PST by Jabba the Nutt (Just laugh at them!)
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To: Xenalyte

that lloks like my parole officer; is that a confederate flag in the background?


41 posted on 12/26/2007 11:58:37 AM PST by glide625
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To: neverdem
I wonder who paid for the poll. The question doesn't sound like one that any gun rights group would ask. (Being as it's a stupid question!) It's an old trick of the antis to ask "Do you favor stricter gun laws?" without specifying what "stricter" means.
42 posted on 12/26/2007 12:01:23 PM PST by Redcloak (Dingos ate my tagline.)
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To: Vision
Loons.

No.

Their intent is to enslave or kill you. Disarming you by any means makes it safer for them to try.

43 posted on 12/26/2007 12:04:13 PM PST by Navy Patriot (The hyphen American with the loudest whine gets the grease.)
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To: Xenalyte


He writes as he speaks
He IS Wolf Blitzer!
44 posted on 12/26/2007 12:22:14 PM PST by BerryDingle (With friends like the media, who needs enemas?)
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To: Jabba the Nutt
The political reality is that "gun control" is a political loser.

Nationally, that's true.

Why has there been zero, ZERO, public demand and push for more "gun control" after Virginia Tech, the Omaha Mall and the Colorado church attacks?

There are efforts around the country for true believers, e.g. Bloomberg's "illegal gun" initiatives, controls on the sale of ammo, "assault gun" bans, etc. They can't completely stifle themselves.

45 posted on 12/26/2007 12:27:44 PM PST by neverdem (Call talk radio. We need a Constitutional Amendment for Congressional term limits. Let's Roll!)
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To: Condor51
Condor51 said: "My conclusion is that this poll is utter Brady Bunch propaganda bullcarp."

Maybe not.

(0.25*432) + (0.62 * 368) = 336 = 0.42 * 800

This might represent an over-polling of Republicans over Demoncrats of 432 to 368, an admittedly unlikely occurrence.

If equal numbers of Republicans and Demoncrats were surveyed, then we might expect:

(0.25 * 400) + (0.62 * 400) = 348 = (0.44 * 800)

In either case, it should be obvious that, despite having a majority of Demoncrats, that is 62%, in favor of stricter gun controls, there is no way that such mis-guidedness should result in actually permitting any further gun control to be enacted.

The only reason to expect such further infringements is if the Republicans continue to elect RINOs like Arnold in Kalifornia or Mitt Romney. Guns are only useful for many important applications BECAUSE they are "unusually lethal". I wouldn't be interested in owning one which was somehow rendered "unusually NON-lethal".

46 posted on 12/26/2007 12:41:55 PM PST by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: M203M4

Hear! Hear!
This right is not a result of government.


47 posted on 12/26/2007 12:45:33 PM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion.)
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To: neverdem

Don’t forget - they are also pushing in Canada and some American jusisdictions for Knife Control, too - just like in the UK. As they made up the term “Saturday Night Special” for inexpensive handguns, “Assault Weapon” for sporting semiautomatic rifles, and “Sniper Rifle” for a scoped bolt-action rifle, they NOW have the term “Rambo Knives” to describe any large sport-utility knife, typically ones a foot or longer and including a blade guard and saw teeth on the back spine of the knife. REALLY! They are coming to take them away.


48 posted on 12/26/2007 12:47:11 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: xzins

To paraphrase: All it takes to stop a crazy man with a gun is a sane man with a gun.


49 posted on 12/26/2007 12:47:36 PM PST by Tenniel2 (The Clinton era: jackboots, plane crashes, murders - and those were the good days. (Hat tip to Bray))
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To: BerryDingle; Xenalyte

just because I choose to lieve blitzed doesn’t mean I’m a wolf or that I feed adult bverages to dogs or something. Although I had a Scottish terreier who liked Guiness; he’s dead now.


50 posted on 12/26/2007 12:58:05 PM PST by glide625
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