Posted on 12/28/2007 12:40:59 PM PST by neverdem
Read this and learn something:
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2005/03/03/hockey-stick-1998-2005-rip/
And the biggest increases in Global Warming occurred during the Clinton/Gore years. Hmmm, I think you are onto something.
thanks for the link. any way you can summarize and translate what is being said?
Are you implying that AGW is real, and will destroy the planet, and that conservatives must accept the death of millions (and a poorer lifestyle for billions) in order to prevent it?
Or are you saying that conservatives MUST become better educated to recognize and argue AGAINST AGW extremists in order to save the planet from socialism and one-world government control?
And feel free to read point #4 in my profile. If there is no new global temperature record by 2013, only then would I say that global warming has stopped -- temporarily. Anything said before that is premature and intended to score skeptical points in the public mind.
1) The worst-case estimates of the environmental and economic effects of AGW are overstated. Almost certainty correct, but the likely results of mid-range perditions are still alarming.
2) There has been warming, but it’s due to some other case (ex: solar flux).
The problem with this theory is that it fails to account for the warming we should be seeing due to greenhouse emissions.
It would be easy for proponents of this view to get the attention of main-stream climate theorists, all they would have to do is either 1) demonstrate that the well understood atmospheric chemistry that predicts AGW as result of “greenhouse gases” is incorrect, and/or 2) demonstrate some countervailing effect that is preventing warming from occurring despite the greenhouse effect.
To date the skeptics has not been able to do either, and by this point it’s highly unlikely that either the atmospheric chemistry and physics is incorrect or such countervailing mechanisms remain undiscovered.
Aerosols injected into the stratosphere have been suggested; sulfur aerosols in the troposphere can create acid rain problems, as they did in the 70's.
I like acid rain.
George Bush stopped global warming!
We did?
DaveLoneRanger posted the same title from the New Zealand Climate Science Coalition. I figured someone should post the original from New Statesman.
And feel free to read point #4 in my profile. If there is no new global temperature record by 2013, only then would I say that global warming has stopped -- temporarily. Anything said before that is premature and intended to score skeptical points in the public mind.
I have read it. I'm still a denier. IIRC, a substantial majority of the climate change literaure in the last few years doesn't support anthropogenic global warming.
Global warming will stop when Al Bore stops jetting around blowing hot air into the wind.
Glaciers are growing around the world, including the United States
There are real, measurable, and significant adverse environmental consequences to atmospheric carbon dioxide enrichment, but anthropogenic climate change isn't one of them. The AGW crowd says NOTHING about them. That's because the greens are funded by the private, tax-exempt, "charitable" foundations of oil company wealth. I don't have time to get to this before Shabbat, but I'd be happy to do so on Sunday evening.
Crucify the heretics!
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Villagers: (enter yelling) A witch! A witch! We’ve found a witch! Burn her! Burn her!
(After Sir Bedimere gets the crowd to admit that they dressed her up as a witch, their only basis for accusing her is that one of them claims that she turned him into a newt. But because he “got better”, they need some way of determining her guilt).
Bedimere: there are ways of telling if she’s a witch. What do you do with witches?
Villagers: Burn them!
Bedimere: And what do you burn, apart from witches?
Villagers: Wood?
Bedimere: Right! So why do witches burn?
Villagers: Because they’re made of wood?
Bedimere: Right! . Now, what else do you do with wood?
Villagers: Build bridges with it!
Bedimere: But do we not also build bridges from stone; does wood float in water?
Villagers: Yes.
Bedimere: And what else floats in water?
King Arthur: (after more confused suggestions from the villagers) A duck!
Bedimere: Right! So, if she weighs the same as a duck, she’d float in water, and she must be made of wood, so.
Villagers: A witch! Burn her!
(They weigh the woman on a large scale with a duck in the other balancing basket, but inexplicably the scales do not tilt one way or the other. As the villagers drag the woman away, the witch looks at the camera and says with resignation “it was a fair court”.)
Bedimere: (to King Arthur) Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science?
Are you really concerned with how we look? I don’t believe it. Your backdoor attempt at pushing this bull on us deniers is a waste of your time.
“There are real, measurable, and significant adverse environmental consequences to atmospheric carbon dioxide enrichment, but anthropogenic climate change isn’t one of them...”
Do you have an explanation of how the atmospheric physics and chemistry predicting that “greenhouse gases” will raise atmospheric temperature is incorrect? If so, you really ought to publish it, as this would totally shake up the world of climate modeling.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2005/03/03/hockey-stick-1998-2005-rip/"
Interesting that the author did not, for example, cite this:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/312/5773/529b
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