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Row breaks out over Benazir Bhutto's death (Government's explanation a "pack of lies" ON Drudge)
Telegraph. uk ^ | 18-28-07 | Isambard Wilkinson, Pakistan Correspondent, and Bonnie Malkin

Posted on 12/28/2007 3:08:58 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

The burial of Benzair Bhutto was today marred by heavy violence across Pakistan as a bitter row broke out over how she died.

As hundreds of thousands mourned the murdered opposition leader, the country's Interior Ministry claimed she had died from hitting her vehicle's sunroof when she tried to duck after a suicide attack.

However, one of Miss Bhutto's aide rejected the government's explanation of her death as a "pack of lies".

Brigadier Javed Cheema, a ministry spokesman, said Miss Bhutto had died from a head wound she sustained when she smashed against the sunroof's lever as she tried to shelter inside the car.

"The lever struck near her right ear and fractured her skull," Mr Cheema said.

But the explanation was ridiculed by Farooq Naik, Miss Bhutto's top lawyer and a senior official in her Pakistan People's Party.

"It is baseless. It is a pack of lies," he said.

"Two bullets hit her, one in the abdomen and one in the head. It was a serious security lapse........"

(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: bhutto; pakistan; wot
I don't see how she could be hit in the abdomen when that was not exposed as she stood in the sunroof of the armoured car.
1 posted on 12/28/2007 3:08:59 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I don’t see how she could fracture her skull by ducking into the sunroof and hitting her head. She was either hit by shrapnel or one of her security guards clubbed her in the head.
2 posted on 12/28/2007 3:12:25 PM PST by Ditter
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Sounds like a magic bullet....

Check the grassy knoll.


3 posted on 12/28/2007 3:12:49 PM PST by y6162
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To: Anti-Bubba182; jeffers
Bingo....you picked it up also.

I think the Pakistanis are making it their mission just to piss me off...I have never seen a people who can't get a story straight.

Black is white...white is black......grrrrrrrrr.

4 posted on 12/28/2007 3:13:18 PM PST by Dog
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To: Dog

You mean, besides Democrats?


5 posted on 12/28/2007 3:14:34 PM PST by Dr.Deth
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To: Ditter

The thing is there is no angle for an abdomen shot. If Bhutto was ducking she would have to pass the handle and hitting her head on that is at least possible.


6 posted on 12/28/2007 3:16:54 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Ditter
Perhaps the kilos of Semtex going off moved something.

Not to be worried, madam Senator Clinton has called for an International investigation. The UN guy and the EU guy who got booted from Afghanistan will help Bill Clinton with it.

7 posted on 12/28/2007 3:18:09 PM PST by colonialhk (Harry and Nancy are our best moron allies)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I don't see how she could be hit in the abdomen when that was not exposed as she stood in the sunroof of the armoured car.

If I could see your video or photographic evidence of the actual event, just prior to her dropping down inside the vehicle, I might be able to make a comment.

8 posted on 12/28/2007 3:22:36 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Anti-Bubba182
And I talking about video or photographic evidence of the *actual* event, just prior to her dropping down inside the vehicle, I might be able to make a comment.

I too have seen images of her sticking out of the sun roof, but that is not an image of the *actual* event where her upper abdomen area might have been exposed.

9 posted on 12/28/2007 3:27:31 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: y6162
According to your story, Hernandez passes you and starts walking up the ramp. Then you say you were struck on the right temple. The spit then proceeds to ricochet off the temple, striking Newman between the third and the forth rib. The spit then came off the rib, made a right turn, hitting Newman in the right wrist... causing him to drop his baseball cap. The spit then splashed off the wrist, pauses -- in mid-air, mind you -- makes a left turn and lands on Newman's left thigh. That is one magic loogie.

I find the Paki explanation just as absurd as the Seinfeld scenario.

10 posted on 12/28/2007 3:30:53 PM PST by steveo (Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: y6162

She was killed by her security detail. (As was a certain president.)


11 posted on 12/28/2007 3:35:10 PM PST by Publius (A = A)
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To: Publius
She was killed by her security detail. (As was a certain president.)

So you know the truth about McKinley.

12 posted on 12/28/2007 3:43:30 PM PST by ConfusedAndLovingIt
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To: dragnet2
Benazir Bhutto: Seconds Before Death
13 posted on 12/28/2007 3:51:57 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Publius

also another female PM from that part of the world....Indira Gandhi


14 posted on 12/28/2007 3:54:34 PM PST by xp38
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Sounds like the intended assassin didn’t get the job done, so she was driven away to a secure location where it was done properly.

Or maybe I just need a tin foil hat...


15 posted on 12/28/2007 3:56:32 PM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: airborne

I read that was a bullet proof vehicle....and bomb resistant.


16 posted on 12/28/2007 3:58:11 PM PST by BurbankKarl
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To: y6162

Well, Arlen was in town to meet her yesterday.


17 posted on 12/28/2007 3:58:11 PM PST by petitfour
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To: airborne
Sounds like the intended assassin didn’t get the job done, so she was driven away to a secure location where it was done properly.

No, you're confusing Bhutto with Princess Diana.

18 posted on 12/28/2007 4:03:22 PM PST by Publius (A = A)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Yeah, I've seen that photo. That is not an image of the actual event.

However, if you look closely at the photo you provided, under the white object on the roof, possibly the sunroof or some type a light bar, you can clearly see her clothing underneath it, and it would appear her upper abdomen area was exposed.

19 posted on 12/28/2007 4:03:56 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Anti-Bubba182
No one in the car was even injured. Bhutto is dead because she was stupid and careless when it came to her own security. She routinely ignored or rejected recommendations from her security details, such as 5 days ago, when she refused a "Popemobile"-style bulletproof glass enclosure in a dangerous area where she had received death threats. It is amazing she wasn't shot at there.

Her death was inevitable. Perhaps she even wanted it. She seemed to have a martyr complex. All very sad for a very educated woman with a long history in the region.

20 posted on 12/28/2007 4:06:05 PM PST by montag813
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Totally exposed. Just so stupid it hurts my head.


21 posted on 12/28/2007 4:08:07 PM PST by montag813
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To: montag813
Whoever had her killed got a two-fer deal.

They got rid of her and made Musharref look guilty in the process.

Wahabbi Muslim Taliban terrorist types,most likely. Throws a monkey wrench in so many things.

22 posted on 12/28/2007 4:12:14 PM PST by airborne (Proud to be a conservative! Proud to support Duncan Hunter for President!)
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To: montag813

I agree. From the video I have seen of her, she seemed to have a big ego, a savior ego if you will...In a country filled with armed fanatical religious crazies, this was predictable. Then throw in the fact that the current chief witch doctor wanted her in the boiling kettle....Like her, the rest is history.

Watching some video last night of the festivities, we saw one guy banging his head against a burned out bus.


23 posted on 12/28/2007 4:17:25 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

Some pix of the vehicle and the sunroof latch (as well as a couple of supposed x-rays) here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/28/bhuttos-skull-xray-blo_n_78599.html


24 posted on 12/28/2007 4:18:27 PM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: dragnet2
Probably you will not find a photo closer to the event than that.

We don't know what the white thing is or what it was made of. There is a speaker on top of the car. Maybe the white bar is like a lecturn or hand hold for use in a campaign. It is just possible that there was an upper abdomen shot, but I doubt it.

What difference does it make if she was shot? If the government wanted to make up a story, why make one certain to cause controversy?

25 posted on 12/28/2007 4:19:04 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: steveo

Dude you owe me a keyboard!!! perfect...


26 posted on 12/28/2007 4:21:51 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ ("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Probably you will not find a photo closer to the event than that.

Regardless, it's not a photo of the actual event, so no evidence there as to weather she stood up a little further, reached out to shake one of the fanatics hands or whatever.

Again, if you look closely at the photo you provided, under the white object on the roof, possibly the sunroof or some type a light bar, you can clearly see her clothing underneath it, and it would appear her upper abdomen area was exposed.

27 posted on 12/28/2007 4:23:53 PM PST by dragnet2
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To: Anti-Bubba182
I have no doubt she hit her head, but hitting it hard enough to fracture her skull and kill her? That seems a stretch to me. I think it was an assassination, an inside job.
28 posted on 12/28/2007 4:25:01 PM PST by Ditter
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To: ConfusedAndLovingIt

you are referring to his sudden worsening and death 8 days post-shooting after he ate and drank? Inquiring minds want to know!


29 posted on 12/28/2007 4:45:32 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: Tigen; AliVeritas; Grimmy; gonzo; DeaconBenjamin; indcons; sukhoi-30mki; Eyes Unclouded; ECM; ...
Pakistan ۋﮧ۱م

FReepmail if you want on or off
30 posted on 12/28/2007 4:57:04 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

This is really appalling- the cover up must have begun while her body was still warm.


31 posted on 12/28/2007 5:03:00 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom

The official explanation is that the gunman fired three shots, all of which missed. She ducked back into the car. While she was ducking, the bomb exploded. The force of the explosion threw her head back into the roof of the car, fracturing her skull, which killed her.

Sounds plausible to me. Whether it is in fact true or not no one posting here can know for sure.


32 posted on 12/28/2007 5:09:13 PM PST by TheConservator ("I spent my life trying not to be careless. Women and children can be careless, but not men.")
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To: TheConservator

In 36 hours I’ve read 3 official versions. I now believe none of them.


33 posted on 12/28/2007 5:11:12 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: airborne
Whoever had her killed got a two-fer deal. They got rid of her and made Musharref look guilty in the process.

Agree 100%. Sharif perhaps.

34 posted on 12/28/2007 5:13:42 PM PST by montag813
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Re: The title of the thread mentioning Drudge.

Whatever happened to Drudge’s breaking story about John Edwards love child? Did it fizzle out?


35 posted on 12/28/2007 5:35:53 PM PST by no dems (FRED THOMPSON: The only Conservative running who can beat Hillary or Obama.)
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To: no dems

I don’t know.


36 posted on 12/28/2007 5:52:57 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Calling Arland Specter

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37 posted on 12/28/2007 6:08:27 PM PST by Elle Bee
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To: Dog

how bout that kid named Josh who lied to his own diary ?


38 posted on 12/28/2007 6:10:31 PM PST by advertising guy (If computer skills namedo us, I'd be back-space delete.)
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To: savedbygrace
Some pix of the vehicle and the sunroof latch (as well as a couple of supposed x-rays) here:

Observations:

1. That is a very poor quality image.

2. That is not a "fracture". That is, in medical terminology, "a big friggin' chuck missing or depressed into the intracranial cavity".

3. They must have done a CT to document intracranial damage. Where is it?

39 posted on 12/28/2007 6:32:24 PM PST by Polybius
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To: TheConservator
The official explanation is that the gunman fired three shots, all of which missed. She ducked back into the car. While she was ducking, the bomb exploded. The force of the explosion threw her head back into the roof of the car, fracturing her skull, which killed her. Sounds plausible to me.

See Post 39.

If the X-Rays are genuine (big "if"), that explanation would fit the images.

Notice that the edges of the defect caused by the missing "big friggin' chunk" have a triangular appearance as if a hatchet had made it. If you slip and fall and hit your head against the edge of a metal plate, the force is small and you would expect a linear skull fracture at worst.

With the powerful blast of a bomb driving the head back, however, the edge of the metal plate would impact the skull with great force thereby leaving the triangular, hatchet shaped defect. The bone fragment (and it looks like a sizable chunk of the skull from size of the skull defect) would then be driven into the brain like a knife through butter.

40 posted on 12/28/2007 6:46:54 PM PST by Polybius
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To: montag813

What would Sharif gain by killing Bhutto??He’s already called for a boycott of the polls by his party.


41 posted on 12/28/2007 8:55:36 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: montag813

If you want to win real elections in that part of the world,you have to pay the price of exposing yourself to the people.Unlike Musharraf who fights elections where he is the only candidate & corners 95% of the votes.Bhutto & her supporters have gone on record to say that she had been provided inadequate security by the state & on the subcontinent,it’s the state’s job to provide the vast chunk of your security resources irrespective of your political affiliation.


42 posted on 12/28/2007 8:58:02 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: WoofDog123
you are referring to his sudden worsening and death 8 days post-shooting after he ate and drank? Inquiring minds want to know!

That's just the story the Government wants you to believe. Look behind the facade, man!

43 posted on 12/31/2007 8:19:04 AM PST by ConfusedAndLovingIt
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