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LA Gang F13 Accused of Targeting Blacks
AP (via MyWay news) ^ | Dec 30, 2007 | THOMAS WATKINS

Posted on 12/30/2007 12:27:36 PM PST by Mr. Mojo

LOS ANGELES (AP) - In a murderous quest aimed at "cleansing" their turf of snitches and rival gangsters, members of one of Los Angeles County's most vicious Latino gangs sometimes killed people just because of their race, an investigation found.

There were even instances in which Florencia 13 leaders ordered killings of black gangsters and then, when the intended victim couldn't be located, said "Well, shoot any black you see," Los Angeles County Sheriff Lee Baca said.

"In certain cases some murders were just purely motivated on killing a black person," Baca said.

Authorities say there were 20 murders among more than 80 shootings documented during the gang's rampage in the hardscrabble Florence-Firestone neighborhood, exceptional even in an area where gang violence has been commonplace for decades. They don't specify the time frame or how many of the killings were racial.

Los Angeles has struggled with gang violence for years, especially during the wars in the late 1980s and early '90s between the Crips and the Bloods - both black gangs. Latino gangs have gained influence since then as the Hispanic population surged.

Evidence of Florencia 13, or F13, is easy to find in Florence-Firestone. Arrows spray-painted on the wall of a liquor store mark the gang's boundary and graffiti warns rivals to steer clear.

The gang's name comes from the neighborhood that is its stronghold and the 13th letter of the alphabet - M - representing the gang's ties to the Mexican Mafia.

Federal, state and local officials worked together to charge 102 men linked to F13 with racketeering, conspiracy to murder, weapons possession, drug dealing and other crimes. In terms of people charged, it's the largest-ever federal case involving a Southern California gang, prosecutors say. More than 80 of those indicted are in custody.

But eliminating the gang won't be easy. It's survived for decades and is believed to have about 2,000 members. Its reach extends to Nevada, Arizona and into prisons, where prosecutors say incarcerated gang leaders were able to order hits on black gangsters.

According to the indictment, F13's leader, Arturo Castellanos, sent word in 2004 from California's fortress-like Pelican Bay State Prison that he wanted his street soldiers to begin "cleansing" Florence-Firestone of black gangsters, notably the East Coast Crips, and snitches.

His followers eagerly obeyed, according to federal prosecutors.

In one case, F13 members came across a black man at a bus stop, shouted "Cheese toast!" and fired. "Cheese toast" is a derogatory name for East Coast Crips, Assistant U.S. Attorney Kevin S. Rosenberg said.

The victim, apparently targeted only because of his skin color, survived being shot several times, Rosenberg said.

F13 isn't the only Latino gang linked to racial killings. Last year, four members of The Avenues, a gang from the Highland Park area east of downtown Los Angeles, were convicted of hate crimes for killing a black man in what prosecutors called a campaign to drive blacks from that neighborhood. And last January, authorities announced a crackdown on the 204th Street gang following the killing of a 14-year-old black girl.

The violence goes both ways, said Adam Torres, a Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department gang detective whose beat includes Florence-Firestone.

During a recent patrol on the east side of the neighborhood, he pointed to a cinderblock wall peppered with bullet holes. Torres said the Crips still control that area and any Hispanic there is at risk of being shot.

Despite the wave of violence, George Tita, a criminologist with the University of California, Irvine, said racially motivated gang killings are an exception. Latinos and blacks are far more likely to be murdered by one of their own.

"You don't see these major black-brown wars, either within the context of gangs or outside the context of gangs," Tita said.

Residents of Florence-Firestone are loath to discuss gangs, fearful they might end up as targets, but there are signs of change. Murders in the neighborhood dropped from 43 in 2005 to 19 in 2006, Baca said. For 2007, there were 19 murders as of Dec. 24.

Jose Garcia sees the difference. The security doors on the store where he works aren't covered with graffiti as often and he hasn't heard a gunshot in two months.

"It used to be at least once or twice a week," he said.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; cheesetoast; eastcoastcrips; f13; florencia13; gang; gangs; immigration; la; losangeles; race; racewar; racewarcoming; theavenues; war

1 posted on 12/30/2007 12:27:39 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: Mr. Mojo

Calling Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton...
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Crickets.....


2 posted on 12/30/2007 12:33:20 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Mr. Mojo
Black bangers kill brown bangers, and then later it's the reverse.

Ummmmm...this sounds terrible, but is this bad?

3 posted on 12/30/2007 12:33:38 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin

Yeah, it’s bad.


4 posted on 12/30/2007 12:35:23 PM PST by Bodhi1 (Homeschools for a reason.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Somehow - the MSM will blame this on whitey...
5 posted on 12/30/2007 12:35:47 PM PST by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: 2banana

Yeah.


6 posted on 12/30/2007 12:38:04 PM PST by apocalypto
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To: Mr. Mojo

You mean other than whites, someone is capable of a hate crime??????????


7 posted on 12/30/2007 12:45:07 PM PST by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: Mr. Mojo
I’ve been saying for years that the first skirmishes in the coming civil War will between mexicans and blacks.

Dispassionately, it appears that the mexicans have the mojo to do it, and the blacks are going to lose out.

I’ve watched it in Norristown, Pa, once largely black, now largely mexican.

Meanwhile, I collect various field arms...

8 posted on 12/30/2007 12:45:46 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Bulldawg Fan
All of the hispanics that I've talked to say that they are white....
9 posted on 12/30/2007 12:46:44 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: 2banana
Somehow - the MSM will blame this on whitey...

Allow me to amend that:

Somehow - the MSM will blame this on whitey law-abiding citizens who support the 2nd Amendment.

10 posted on 12/30/2007 12:52:07 PM PST by kromike
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Just whites. You should know this. Just ask the “honorable” (get this one) “”reverends”” Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson. They’ll tell you so.


11 posted on 12/30/2007 12:52:56 PM PST by RedCobra
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To: Mr. Mojo
It is beyond the police to control it. Call out the National Guard and sweep the entire area. Blood let if necessary. Build a huge concentrate camp on one of the channel islands and drop by aircraft a little food once in a while. Sounds good but just kidding, or am I.
12 posted on 12/30/2007 12:56:23 PM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Latinos hunting down blacks because of their race. Now there’s a Hate Crimes Conundrum for you.

You can’t have a Hate Crime unless the victim is black, but you also can’t have a Hate Crime unless the perpetrator is white.

So whataya do? Whataya do?


13 posted on 12/30/2007 12:59:35 PM PST by samtheman (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Mr. Mojo
LA Gang F13 Accused of Targeting Blacks

So is Gang F13 a nickname for the LAPD?
14 posted on 12/30/2007 1:00:02 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Mr. Mojo

Only 19 murders this year in that neighborhood? How many neighborhoods does Los Angeles have? Where is Villalagrossya now that his mistress dumped him? What does he have to say about his illegal aliens shooting black Americans sitting at bus benches? Maybe black people don’t count as Americans in his racist eye.


15 posted on 12/30/2007 1:00:19 PM PST by Haddit (Duncan Hunter)
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To: Mr. Mojo

I live in the area. As an Hispanic, it makes no difference. Everyone is an equal-opportunity target. I hear gunshots at night. Black, white, brown, yellow and all colors in between are victims. Women are raped as a part of gang initiation and it seems to get worse every year. I look forward to moving out of the area when I can afford it.


16 posted on 12/30/2007 1:01:32 PM PST by rbosque ("A goverment big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away"----B. Goldwater)
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To: bill1952
All of the hispanics that I've talked to say that they are white....

I tell my half "Hispanic" children the same thing. The questions start up after a day at the beach when I'm extra-crispy and they're bronzed brown...Why is daddy red? Why is he walking funny? Why is he screaming every time he moves? LOL!!!

17 posted on 12/30/2007 1:07:25 PM PST by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

“Despite the wave of violence, George Tita, a criminologist with the University of California, Irvine, said racially motivated gang killings are an exception. Latinos and blacks are far more likely to be murdered by one of their own.”

“You don’t see these major black-brown wars, either within the context of gangs or outside the context of gangs,” Tita said

Another “Charrdony swillin’, tofu munchin’ bleedin heart liberal expert” heard from!


18 posted on 12/30/2007 1:08:33 PM PST by gc4nra ( this tag line protected by Kimber and the First Amendment (I voted for McClintock))
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To: Bulldawg Fan

Ummm No; only whites are capable of hate crimes ,,, sort of like traffic police not having quota’s ,, they’re just “Goals and Objectives”...


19 posted on 12/30/2007 1:10:51 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Mr. Mojo

IMHO, Latino gangs will operate at some deep level, as an unofficial paramilitary arm, of the “reconquista” movement.

As communities become overwhelmingly Latino, the gangs move in. Whether by coincidence or by design, they serve the purpose of driving away, even more non-Latinos.

I can see the day, that starts to happen on a macro scale, throughout the American southwest.

Which I believe, is exactly the plan.

It seems almost obvious.

Why is it, someone as smart as our President, who sees threats clearly when they’re oceans away from us, can’t see this one right in front of our face??

What’s the disconnect?


20 posted on 12/30/2007 1:12:36 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (I'm a proud Yankee Doodle Protectionist)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Yes, and black gangs in the NE/Upper Midwest have been targeting whites for years, even driving them out of whole neighborhoods 30-35 years ago. Thugs are as thugs do, no matter what their race.


21 posted on 12/30/2007 1:13:56 PM PST by Clemenza (I NO Heart Huckabee)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Have apartments for rent in Boston... September - a young professional Black women came by for a look/see... She wanted the apartment BUT she wanted to know the racial makeup of the neighborhood, e.g. Were there any Hispanics in the neighborhood? - exact question...

Answer: Everyone in the neighborhood is a professional and some may be Hispanic.

She passed on the apartment.

22 posted on 12/30/2007 1:15:39 PM PST by xtinct (I was the next door neighbor kid's imaginary friend.)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Are nthey supposed to start killing more whites and asians and Indians? Just to be fair, of course.


23 posted on 12/30/2007 1:15:42 PM PST by gitmo (From now on, ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not put.)
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To: Caipirabob

LOL! Good post. Thanks. - Bill


24 posted on 12/30/2007 1:17:02 PM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: Mr. Mojo

This is happening only in sanctuary cities.


25 posted on 12/30/2007 1:32:46 PM PST by rocksblues (Just enforce the law!)
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To: Logical me

Take it a step further. Declare that all gangs are terrorist organizations and bring in the Special Forces.


26 posted on 12/30/2007 1:38:03 PM PST by Cuchulain ("...never treat with the enemy; never surrender to his mercy, but fight to the finish.")
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To: bill1952
I had a Hispanic man tell me straight up that he liked to live in white neighborhoods. He was a very nice guy, had a family, kids and a couple of well taken care of dogs. Not a gang banger at all.
27 posted on 12/30/2007 1:44:58 PM PST by BBell
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To: BBell
I had a Hispanic man tell me straight up that he liked to live in white neighborhoods.

I had a black guy tell me the same thing. People like to be safe.

28 posted on 12/30/2007 2:35:58 PM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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To: Mr. Mojo

29 posted on 12/30/2007 2:38:58 PM PST by BJungNan
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30 posted on 12/30/2007 2:41:09 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: Mr. Mojo

Last year Cnn had a special on the 18th St gangs. If you’re black and you dare cross that street, you’re a dead man.

Scary, horrible stuff.


31 posted on 12/30/2007 2:45:56 PM PST by AuntB (" It takes more than walking across the border to be an American." Duncan Hunter)
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To: Mr. Mojo
This is the notorious MCheckerHead13 gang


32 posted on 12/30/2007 2:46:22 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: Mr. Mojo

Lovely. Way to start a race war.

No need to remind me to stay away from cities.


33 posted on 12/30/2007 3:15:54 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Mark was here

If I, as a white man, said that I liked to live in white neighborhoods it would be construed as a racist statement! Racism is a one way street. NOT!!!


34 posted on 12/30/2007 3:31:48 PM PST by BBell
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To: Mr. Mojo
Cheese Toast?
35 posted on 12/30/2007 3:35:54 PM PST by razorback-bert (Remember that amateurs built the Ark while professionals built the Titanic.)
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To: rocksblues
This is happening only in sanctuary cities.

So, how does that playout for sanctuary states? Mr. Bill is our governor and he has made our whole state a sanctuary state. There are a lot of murders but it's usually Mexican on Mexican. We've definitely noticed an increase in gang activity all over NM.

36 posted on 12/30/2007 3:52:26 PM PST by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Logical me

>Build a huge concentrate camp on one of the channel islands and drop by aircraft a little food once in a while.<

Bad idea! Too close to California. A much better location is:
Johnston Island is a low sand and coral island, 717 miles W.S.W. of Honolulu. It is 1,000 yards long, about 200 yards wide, and reaches a greatest height of 44 feet in “Summit Peak” near its eastern end.

The United States Fish and Wildlife Service is scheduled to gain oversight of the island in 2004 as a wildlife refuge. It is not normal practice for a wildlife refuge to be established over a plutonium landfill and there is still considerable concern that the contaminants absorbed by fish could carry the threat elsewhere.

http://www.janeresture.com/johnston/


37 posted on 12/30/2007 3:55:00 PM PST by B4Ranch (( "Freedom is not free, but don't worry the U.S. Marine Corps will pay most of your share." ))
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To: Mr. Mojo
Latino gangs sometimes killed people just because of their race...

It's a darned lie! The only racists in this country is us white crackers.

38 posted on 12/30/2007 4:01:29 PM PST by Rudder
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To: BJungNan
I see your MchecherHeads and raise you the Notorious JugHeaders. That cat Jughead is one bad m*******


39 posted on 12/30/2007 4:08:24 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Aztlan My Azz: La Raza is Spanish for Tan Klan)
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To: Mr. Mojo; BJungNan

THAT has to be the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. How anyone can be that stupid is beyond me. Targeted killing of those nuts would be easy.

I wonder how much panic there would be in gang banger land if we started a rumor that there are fatal levels of lead in the paint that tatoo artists use? LOL The police could pick them up as they scrambled to plastic surgeons to get them removed.

40 posted on 12/30/2007 4:37:18 PM PST by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: gaijin

It’s an issue because of the “protected class” pecking order. They should all be declared urban terrorisrts and shove them into a re opened Alcatraz..


41 posted on 12/30/2007 7:54:53 PM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: NRA2BFree

I have heard that Alamogordo has become rather dangerous as of late.


42 posted on 12/30/2007 8:03:33 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Tennessee Nana
Crickets.....


43 posted on 12/30/2007 8:03:46 PM PST by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Cobra64

:)


44 posted on 12/30/2007 8:18:01 PM PST by Tennessee Nana
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To: Mr. Mojo; calcowgirl; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Sooner or later we are going to have to “take out the trash!”
And the only way that will happen in L.A. is if RINOld calls out the CA NG, institutes martial law, secures the gang infested areas. And deploy the NG to the border since Jorge Boosh won’t do it.

Of course with a RINO governor, none of the above will ever happen. Whatever happened to all the FReepers who campaigned for RINOld back in 2003???

Happy New Year

I hope the Lakers play better in the second half of tonight’s game than they did in the first half...
and change their shorts(they’re wearing the old short shorts)! LOL


45 posted on 12/30/2007 8:38:16 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: NRA2BFree

Yea but just think about it. He can rob a bank and no one will be able to distiguish his facial features.


46 posted on 12/30/2007 9:12:24 PM PST by BJungNan
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To: Mr. Mojo
"Latinos and blacks are far more likely to be murdered by one of their own."

is that supposed to be reassuring?

so if rape or murder is done by someones' own race, its less evil?

47 posted on 12/31/2007 3:10:09 AM PST by cherry
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To: Caipirabob
All of the hispanics that I've talked to say that they are white....

They have the best of both worlds. They can be white and an official US Government approved minority at the same time.

48 posted on 12/31/2007 3:19:26 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Scrape the bottom, vote for Rodham!)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Well, we've been screaming to shut down the borders for years. DC, including the prez, refuses to listen.

So I guess now the blacks will start screaming to shut down the borders. That'll get results. Especially when Al Pimpton and Jesse get involved.

49 posted on 12/31/2007 10:21:42 AM PST by LouAvul
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To: bill1952

The goal of the Latinos is two fold and openly stated. Kill off the blacks for now and use violent attacks against whites to keep them cowed.

After the blacks are killed off, whites will be targeted for elimination. We had better get really serious about this. Our erstwhile opponent is deadly serious.

If anybody cares, this is how Rome fell. Allowing barbarians within her borders.


50 posted on 12/31/2007 9:00:50 PM PST by Hawk1976 (747 superliners crashed into the WTC on 9/11, Steny Hoyer told me so on 8/7/07.)
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