[neverdem]

And, this in a state that almost always rejects a citizen's right to own a handgun and protect themselves from these vermin?

Who told you that about NY? These clowns need money, who cares about the Constitiution?

[Friend_from_the_Frozen_North]

I spent 2 years, 3 months there in the late 1980s; never wanted to stop and kiss the ground of a place when I left as much as I did the night I drove across the NY State line.

The CCW process was completely arbitrary (up to the discretion of the local magistrate) and you had to have 4 character references who have been New York State Residents and who had known you for 5 years. I was a soldier who had NEVER lived in New York previously - there was no way I could comply with that piece of Communist Legalism. I have good friends in New York but I have no desire to live (nor intention to visit) there again.