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Crumpled map solves mystery of German gun behind D-Day massacre (Amateur historian finds at a fair)
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^
| January 4, 2008
Posted on 01/04/2008 10:08:40 AM PST by Stoat
Crumpled map solves mystery of German gun behind D-Day massacre
Last updated at 17:03pm on 4th January 2008A baffling mystery of the D-Day landings was solved by an amateur historian - after he found a crumpled map at a fair in Stockport.
Experts have long disputed the location of the main Nazi gun battery which caused carnage on Omaha Beach, in terrible scenes which were recreated for the Hollywood film Saving Private Ryan.
The Germans had built a decoy gun emplacement overlooking the area while the location of the real guns which blasted the beach, where 2,000 men lost their lives, remained unclear.
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Gunning position: The location of the Nazi gun battery was long disputed
But Gary Sterne, a publisher and collector, stumbled on the answer as he browsed through items at a Stockport militaria fair and a piece of paper fell out of a pair of US serviceman's trousers.
It turned out to be an invasion map for Omaha Beach, which included an area marked Area of High Resistance he thought could be the "lost" Nazi gun emplacements.
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Amateur historian Garry Sterne tracked down the 'lost' gun emplacements after finding a tattered map
"It sparked my curiosity, because that area was previously thought to be just fields," he said.
The 43-year-old father of two from Cheadle Hulme travelled to Normandy to examine the area - and bought it.
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The headquarters of the 'lost' Nazi gun emplacements. Mr Sterne bought the site bit by bit from 32 different landowners
He spent thousands buying the 40-acre site bit-by-bit from 32 different landowners, and two years excavating trenches and bunkers to reveal the 'Maisy Battery'.
Mr Sterne believes this was responsible for the brutal bombardment of Omaha on D-Day and for days afterwards until its capture on June 9, 1944.
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Sterne spent two years excavating the trenches and bunkers at the site
Now Mr Sterne plans to open a museum on the site and the battery will be featured in a documentary for the BBC Timewatch programme.
Mr Sterne has contacted veterans of the US 5th Ranger Battalion, who confirmed taking Maisy Battery from the Germans.
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The radio room at the site, believed to be responsible for the brutal bombardment of Omaha on D-Day
The Timewatch documentary, Bloody Omaha, is presented by Richard Hammond on BBC2 on Sunday at 9pm.
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Thousands of American troops were gunned down as they landed at Omaha beach on D-Day
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How the carnage was captured in Saving Private Ryan
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Amateur historian unearths Nazi battery - Telegraph
Amateur historian unearths Nazi battery
By Stephen Adams Last Updated: 3:56pm GMT 04/01/2008
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An amateur British military historian has unearthed a vast underground Nazi gun battery thought to have caused carnage during the D-Day landings.
- Google Map: Maisy Battery
Gary Sterne discovered the huge 'Maisy Battery after he found a crinkled map which fell out of an old pair of US servicemans trousers at a military memorabilia fair in Stockport.
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Mr Sterne discovered an extensive installation the size of four football pitches
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It turned out to be an invasion map for Omaha Beach, which included an area marked Area of High Resistance. Mr Sterne, a publisher and collector, believed it could show the "lost" Nazi gun emplacements, which experts had never been able to locate. Most believed the area where Mr Sterne was looking was nothing but fields. But after travelling to Normandy to find out for himself he stumbled across an entrance to the complex in undergrowth. He said: It sparked my curiosity, because that area was previously thought to be just fields. He discovered an extensive installation the size of four football pitches, including bunkers, offices, a sizeable field hospital - less its roof - and housing for 155mm cannon. He found trenches in the land surrounding the buildings stretched for a mile and a half. Within hours of the landings on 6 June 1944 at least 2,000 Allied troops are thought to have died. In the days that followed until the fabled battery was captured on 9 June, hundreds more are believed to have lost their lives. Mr Sterne said he thought shelling from the battery contributed heavily to Allied losses. It was finally captured following aerial bombardment with 2,000lb bombs. The Omaha Beach landings and the terrible loss of life that resulted was dramatised in Steven Speilbergs 1998 blockbuster Saving Private Ryan, which starred Matt Damon in the lead role.
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The infrastructure of Maisy Battery remained largely intact
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Despite being heavily bombed itself, the infrastructure of Maisy Battery - or Grandcamp Maisy as it was also known - remained largely intact. However, over the years it was lost as nature took hold, and it remained buried in French soil for more than 60 years. Experts were divided about the batterys location until Mr Sternes find. The Germans had built a decoy gun emplacement overlooking the area and the location of the real guns which blasted the beach remained unclear. The 43-year-old father of two from Cheadle Hulme, Cheshire, has bought a house close to the battery and subsequently spent thousands buying 40 acres covering the site from 32 different landowners. He then took two years excavating the site. He said he received no animosity from the French towards his plan. Mr Sterne has also contacted veterans of the US 5th Ranger Battalion, who confirmed taking Maisy Battery from the Germans. They also revealed that they found $4.2million worth of French francs, which was shared among the men. Now Mr Sterne plans to open a museum on the site. The battery will be featured in a documentary for the BBC Timewatch programme, titled Bloody Omaha, which will be presented by Richard Hammond and broadcast on BBC2 this Sunday at 9pm.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:08:43 AM PST
by
Stoat
To: Stoat
I wouldn’t want to mix apples and oranges, but this is interesting in light of the whole “WMD in Iraq” argument. Sometimes figuring out where the weapons were located takes more than 60 years — even after you pretty much know where to look.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:13:54 AM PST
by
ClearCase_guy
(The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
To: indcons; archy
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:19:00 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
Very cool, thanks for posting.
To: Cyrano; shaggy eel; blackie
hmmm.... post #2 makes a good point.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:21:29 AM PST
by
Terriergal
("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
To: Tijeras_Slim
You’re quite welcome; I’m delighted that you’ve found it to be worthwhile :-)
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:21:33 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:22:29 AM PST
by
Petronski
(Willard Myth Romney: 51% negatives)
To: Stoat
Very interesting! Turning the site into a museum is a great idea. Hope they show this documentary on one of the BBC America cable channels, I’d like to see it.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:24:00 AM PST
by
Kolb
To: Stoat
Excellent article! Thanks for posting it.
To: Stoat; blam
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:26:20 AM PST
by
nothingnew
(I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
To: Stoat
A BTT for a great find. I’ve always wanted to own a bunker complex. :-)
To: Stoat
He spent thousands buying the 40-acre site bit-by-bit from 32 different landowners, and two years excavating trenches and bunkers to reveal the 'Maisy Battery'. One would think that he had to spend more than just "thousands" to buy those particular 40 acres.
To: Stoat
I can remember my Dad talking about how heavy the fire was that morning, he was with the 29th Infantry, VA, group. I know he would have enjoyed reading this article as much as I have, thanks.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:32:19 AM PST
by
cav68
To: ClearCase_guy
" in light of the whole WMD in Iraq argument. Sometimes figuring out where the weapons were located takes more than 60 years even after you pretty much know where to look. . . . . a perfect example of a perfect example. Congrats.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:32:29 AM PST
by
Freeper
(I was culture in the 60's and now with the Clintons' "running things" I am suddenly Counter-Culture.)
To: ClearCase_guy
" in light of the whole WMD in Iraq argument. Sometimes figuring out where the weapons were located takes more than 60 years even after you pretty much know where to look. . . . . a perfect example of a perfect example. Congrats.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:32:35 AM PST
by
Freeper
(I was culture in the 60's and now with the Clintons' "running things" I am suddenly Counter-Culture.)
To: Stoat
I will never forget our brave men who gave their lives that day.
To: Stoat
Looking at the Google map, it appears that this battery was about 5 or 6 miles from Omaha beach. Looks like the Germans had the beach zeroed in pretty well.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:34:02 AM PST
by
Ditto
(Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
To: Stoat
Great afternoon read, thank you for the post!
To: nothingnew
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:35:40 AM PST
by
blam
(Secure the border and enforce the law)
To: Stoat
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
To: All
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:41:06 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: ClearCase_guy
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:43:15 AM PST
by
Last Dakotan
(All my tools are hammers, except screwdrivers which are chisels and punches.)
To: Billthedrill; Stoat
Absolutely fascinating article!
Ive always wanted to own a bunker complex.
Hubby is always pondering what realtor a person contacts to buy a bunker. Or a compound. He's pretty sure there's some sort of "Bunker/Compound Real Estate Agency" that he's woefully unaware of.
(I think it's the diesel fumes talking...)
To: snowsislander
From the link in #21:
A WARTIME bunker used by Nazis to bombard Allied troops during the D-Day landings has been unearthed untouched after 60 years. British treasure hunter Gary Sterne found the base exactly as it was when German troops fled after the Normandy invasion in June 1944.
Gary, 41, said: Its truly incredible. Apart from damage to the radio room, the whole place seemed to escape bombing unscathed.
The bunker sprawls over 20 acres and is thought to be the hidden German battery that decimated US soldiers at Omaha Beach, seven miles away.
The encampment contains 40 buildings including a field hospital.
Some of the offices contain army papers as well as radio equipment.
Amateur historian Gary found it in dense undergrowth after buying a German army map at a French car boot sale.
The dad of two, from Manchester, kept it secret for three years so he could buy the land near the village of Grandcamp-Maisy.
He now plans to open it as a tourist attraction this year.
To: Nightshift
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:50:30 AM PST
by
tutstar
(Baptist Ping list - freepmail me to get on or off.)
To: Stoat
They also revealed that they found $4.2million worth of French francs, which was shared among the men.
Sounds more like Kelly’s Heroes than SPR.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:52:11 AM PST
by
kms61
To: nodumbblonde
Hubby is always pondering what realtor a person contacts to buy a bunker. Or a compound. He's pretty sure there's some sort of "Bunker/Compound Real Estate Agency" that he's woefully unaware of.MissileBases.com
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We have now sold 27 of these properties to excited owners that plan to refurbish and use them for various personal and commercial purposes. Because the availability of these properties is limited, we see them as an investment sure to grow in value...
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To: nodumbblonde
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:55:22 AM PST
by
mad_as_he$$
("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
To: nodumbblonde
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:55:36 AM PST
by
mad_as_he$$
("Has there been a code nine? Have you heard from the Doctor?")
To: nodumbblonde; Billthedrill; All
Thanks to everybody for all of your kind words :-)
For those truly interested in their own bunker, there are regular listings on eBay for 1950's vintage missile silo complexes and there is at least one dedicated realtor for such sites
Missile Bases 20th Century Castles, Unique underground properties.
It would indeed be fun, providing you have MANY millions of dollars to renovate your new home :-)
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:56:01 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Billthedrill
Ive always wanted to own a bunker complex. :-) Especially useful in the event of a Hillary administration...
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:58:34 AM PST
by
okie01
(THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
To: Stoat
I get goosebumps every time I think of the bravery of our troops that day on the beach.
To: Stoat
Fascinating. Thanks for the article.
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:00:26 AM PST
by
Route66
(America's Main Street - - - Fred D. Thompson / Consistent Conservative...The One with Gravitas)
To: Stoat
How the carnage was captured in Saving Private Ryan The scene from Private Ryan was poor. The gate on the landing barge goes down just 75 yards directly in front and 5 yards beneath an MG-42 in a hardened emplacement. No one could have gotten off the boat without being hit but sure enough, the shakey handed LT. and his men make it to the beach and take out the pillbox.
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:06:59 AM PST
by
fso301
To: Terriergal; Stoat
Good stuff all around!
I was a (almost) teenager during this time. ;)
I turned 14 in Oct of ‘44.
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:07:54 AM PST
by
blackie
(Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
To: Freeper; ClearCase_guy
...... in light of the whole WMD in Iraq argument. Sometimes figuring out where the weapons were located takes more than 60 years even after you pretty much know where to look..."No WMD in Iraq," has now achieved Urban Legend Status, just like "Al Gore's Stolen Victory." It's going to be mighty hard to break the newly established myths after the MSM has literally invested itself and many millions in establishing them.
For example, how many Americans know that advanced Iraqi fighters were found buried in the sand ...completely by accident? It's a very big country, of which we have dug up very little.
BTW, now that Clint Eastwood and Steven Spielberg have discovered WWII, are we going to be treated to a WWII "Disneyland," in which factual data that doesn't fit the fantasy is going to be ignored in some sort of faintly disrepectful, if not to say unpatriotic, revisionist history? I.E., will it turn out that the Waffen SS, or the Japanese who used American prisoners for bayonet practice were reacting to some racist imperialistic American crime?
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:08:22 AM PST
by
Kenny Bunk
(Round up the Dark Horses, boys. This herd of contenders ain't makin' it.)
To: fso301
No one could have gotten off the boat without being hit but sure enough, the shakey handed LT. and his men make it to the beach and take out the pillbox. Well if they didn't there would have been no movie!
;-)
In all seriousness someone had to have made it..somewhere... I guess they just took a little literary liberty there.
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:12:31 AM PST
by
Terriergal
("I am ashamed that women are so simple To offer war where they should kneel for peace," Shakespeare)
To: Constitution Day
I want the one that has the small, modest house on top and the runway out back.
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:17:25 AM PST
by
Sender
(You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
To: cav68
Your dad was with the 29th Inf? They got the worst of it, as I recall.
To: kms61
They also revealed that they found $4.2million worth of French francs, which was shared among the men. Sounds more like Kellys Heroes than SPR.
Wait a minute- that's not 4.2 million...it's 42 MILLION!
[actually, 1.6/16 mill....] -Crapgame
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:20:08 AM PST
by
archy
(Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
To: Stoat
Very cool article. More here from an older story on the same subject:
http://www.armourer.co.uk/maisybattery.htm
"Not knowing where I was going or what I was looking for, I continued walking across the fields until to my amazement I found I was standing on concrete. I followed the concrete to the edge of the tree line and discovered a bunker entrance... then a tunnel, an office, store rooms, headquarters buildings, radio rooms, bunkers
and most importantly mounts for 155mm cannons," he recalled.
To: fso301
The scene from Private Ryan was poor. The gate on the landing barge goes down just 75 yards directly in front and 5 yards beneath an MG-42 in a hardened emplacement. No one could have gotten off the boat without being hit but sure enough, the shakey handed LT. and his men make it to the beach and take out the pillbox. The day did not go easily for anyone, not even tank crews. But the gunners could have required a barrel change, or lost the end of a belt, or had any of a dozen other things happen that could have caused enough of a delay for a practiced crew to unload over the side.
But for most of those with heavier loads in deep water, or caught by uninterrupted direct fire, forget it.

At 0630 on 6 June 1944, after 18 months of training in secret, the 70th Tank Battalion rolled off of their landing crafts and onto Utah beach with the 4th Infantry Division. One of the first of the 70th Tank's soldiers to make it on the French shore was LT Franklin Anderson and his team of radiomen and engineers. Anderson was wounded by shrapnel after leaving the landing craft but made it to the seawall and directed the engineers as they blew holes in the wall for dozer tanks to enlarge.
Although A and B Companies were supposed to have been in the first wave, due to a mix up in the rendezvous area, the first tank on shore was commanded by PFC Owen Gavigan of C Company. C Company arrived with 12 of its 16 tanks and, under artillery and rocket fire, cleared obstacles with HE and bull dozer attachments and took key gun emplacements under fire, allowing follow-on ships filled with troops and supplies to make it to the beach. A Company was not so lucky. Before the tankers could disembark, one of the LCTs hit a mine and was blown in two. Nineteen tankers of the twenty on board died. As the rest of A Companies tanks hit the beach, they took up firing positions where they could support the infantry that were landing behind them. Two more tankers died during this operation, but the infantry landed safely.
70th Tank battalion engineers blew the seawall in front of B Company as their tanks hit the beach, but they met little resistance other than dismounted Germans exiting a bombed-out pillbox. All 16 of their tanks landed safely and moved through the breach made by the engineers and secured the causeway leading off the beach.
D Company, equipped with light tanks was assigned the mission of linking up with the 101st Airborne Division, which had landed behind the enemy defenses during the night. D Company found the infantry broken up into small groups under pressure from pockets of German resistance. By the end of the day, D Company had found large elements of the 101st and consolidated for the next morning's attack.
By nightfall, all the companies of the 70th Tank Battalion had reached their objectives and had consolidated the Utah beachhead.
The battalion fought its way north toward Cherbourg, at the head of the Cotentin Peninsula. C Company broke through to the 82nd Airborne at Ste. Mere Eglise on 8 June, and the battalion continued north, cleaning up pockets of resistance along the road north. The tankers fought continuously for days on end, doggedly clearing the last German resistance. The town of Azeville fell on 11 June. Montebourg followed on 19 June. Cherbourg itself was not taken until 26 June, three weeks of exhaustive combat after the D-Day invasion.
The 70th Tank's losses during D-Day were the largest for any single day in the war. During the "Longest Day", they had lost 16 tanks, with 22 men killed and 8 wounded. By the time the Eighth Infantry Regiment had cleared the Cotentin Peninsula, the number of lost tanks had grown to 32, with 29 men KIA, 31 MIA and 48 WIA. The 70th Armor Battalion earned another Invasion Arrowhead and a Presidential Unit Citation for its critical role in the invasion of Normandy.
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:28:09 AM PST
by
archy
(Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
To: texas_mrs; All
Very cool article. More here from an older story on the same subject: I'm delighted that you like it! :-)
Thanks very much for your posting of the outstanding article as well, which also includes this essential information for those who might like to visit the site:
WE ARE DELIGHTED TO REPORT THAT THE LONG-AWAITED OPENING
OF THE MAISY BATTERY TOOK PLACE ON APRIL 3rd, 2007
The site is at Route des Perruques, Grandcamp Maisy, Nomandy.
Open for visitors 10am - 4pm each day.
For more details call 0033 678 045625 or email gary@ maisybattery.com
The Armourer Magazine for Militaria Collectors
Updated Armourers Magazine page
The Armourer Magazine - The Maisy Battery
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:32:16 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:33:29 AM PST
by
auboy
To: Stoat
Very cool story. I’ll be forwarding it to my dad and see if he remembers anything about it - I believe his squadron was doing some of the bombing runs in that area around that time.
To: ClearCase_guy
Worth repeating:
I wouldnt want to mix apples and oranges, but this is interesting in light of the whole WMD in Iraq argument. Sometimes figuring out where the weapons were located takes more than 60 years even after you pretty much know where to look.
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:35:44 AM PST
by
null and void
(To anger a conservative, lie to him. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth. - M203M4)
To: Stoat
I read something about this a year or so ago on a gun collector’s site. A collector had a German helmet with the soldier’s name in it, traced his unit, and found he was a member of this battery. This battery stayed in action for a couple of days after D-Day and continued shelling the beach until it was captured.
To: Stoat; Brucifer
Amazing story! Thanks for posting ...
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:39:55 AM PST
by
Liberty Valance
(Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
To: All
The posted articles refer to an upcoming program from the BBC called "Bloody Omaha" , and I found this blurb about it that may be of interest:
BBC-OU Open2.net - History & the Arts Blog - Categories Timewatch, Bloody Omaha, The Greatest Knight, Wreckers
24 September
Bloody Omaha is finally finished after a six week edit. Richard is brought in to voice over the commentary and then the programme is dubbed and graded ready for broadcast. The programme didnt quite end up where we expected. The newly found battery at Maisy did not take the central role we thought it might. In the end the programme turned into an examination of the recent and ongoing research about Omaha and why so many died there. But in documentary making, stories often dont quite turn out the way you think they will and I think thats exactly what makes our job so exciting. Above all, I am proud of our re-telling of the incredible story of the Rangers on D-Day. What touched me most was hearing firsthand the very moving testimony of the veterans like Ray Tollefson they are an inspiration to us all.

About the author
Timewatch is the world's longest-running history series, having started in 1981, and is the BBC's flagship history series. Here, members of the production team share the highs, and lows, during the production process as they make some of the next series of programmes.
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(Emphasis added)
Please be advised that there are additional production notes about the program which may also be of interest. Please click on this link:
BBC-OU Open2.net - History & the Arts Blog - Categories Timewatch, Bloody Omaha, The Greatest Knight, Wreckers
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:47:58 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
To: Stoat
One reason for all the casualties on Omaha Beach was that almost all of the amphibious tanks were lost. The Brits and Canadians got most of theirs ashore, and used them to knock out the positions that caused so many American casualties on Omaha.
Just why all but a couple of amphibious tanks were lost on Omaha is a mystery, but I saw show a few weeks ago that tried to explain it. The tanks were Shermans, with a propeller in the back, and very flimsy Rube Goldberg system of canvas floats and screens.
So long as the sea was calm, and the float didn't leak too badly, the Shermans could crawl along, straight towards the beach, at a few knots. They had to go straight towards the beach because the canvas screens were designed to be strong enough to be hit by waves in the stern, and to push through the water in the bow, but they could not take wave action against their long, flimsy, sides.
On Omaha, a cross current pushed the Shermans sideways, along the beach. If they had just kept going, and hit the beach down from where they intended to, they might have been OK.
But the high canvas screens blocked the crew's view in every direction, except up. Up, they could see the steeple of a French Church on top of the bluffs, and it is thought that they steered for the steeple. As the cross current pushed the Shermans further down the beach, they had to turn at an angle to keep their bows pointed at the steeple. Since the crews couldn't see the water in any direction, they didn't know that they were turning sideways, and one by one, waves hit their sides, collapsed the canvas screens, and they sank.
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posted on
01/04/2008 11:54:36 AM PST
by
Pilsner
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