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Mark Steyn: It's the secular Left vs. the Christian Left
ocregister ^ | January 5, 2008 | Mark Steyn

Posted on 01/05/2008 4:56:50 AM PST by Puzzleman

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So, Iowa chose to reward, on the Democrat side, a proponent of the conventional secular left, and, on the Republican side, a proponent of a new Christian left. If that's the choice, this is going to be a long election year.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: christians; election; electionpresident; elections; fredthompson; gop; huckabee; ia2008; left; marksteyn; mikehuckabee; obama; republicans; secular; steyn; taxes
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To: Puzzleman

The part I liked best was, “On stage, he’s quick-witted and thinks on his feet... Put him in a presidential debate, and he’ll have sharper ripostes and funnier throwaways and more plausible self-deprecating quips than anyone on the other side. He’ll be a great campaigner. The problems begin when he stops campaigning and starts governing.”


21 posted on 01/05/2008 6:17:43 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Without limited government, there is no religous freedom!)
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To: kindred
Your words are strong....and they are true.

..I'm personally ashamed that so many, who call themselves Christians, are without discernment...

..they are misguided and easily led....like lemmings over the clift.

May God yet have mercy on our nation....

..although I fear it will be His judgment, instead.

22 posted on 01/05/2008 6:17:48 AM PST by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter...President '08)
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To: Puzzleman

As usual, Steyn slices and dices with an exceedingly sharp rhetorical knife to find the core truth. My wife and I had similar discussions last night concerning the Republican field, especially Huck. Fortunately, we are both on the same page on Huck: can’t exactly pin it down but the man is not worthy of our trust. Steyn’s column gives form to that feeling and gives it a name — the Christian Left.

Thanks for the Steyn post!


23 posted on 01/05/2008 6:19:26 AM PST by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Puzzleman
Bill Kristol: 12/23/07 "A deadlock Republican convention turns to the most qualified Republican of them all to be president on the fifth ballot, Dick Cheney. And he wins in a landslide in November."


You can purchase Cheney for President 2008 gear here:
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24 posted on 01/05/2008 6:23:56 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kindred

Rush is right, and you are wrong.

If Fred needs Rush to advance his cause for him during the republican primaries, then A) who will he get to advance his cause in the general, when a smaller percentage care about what Rush thinks, and B) he’ll suck as President, because he won’t be able to rally the troops around him in battle with Congress.

Reagan had good positions, but he would have been a total failure as President if he needed someone else to do his talking for him. A President must be a LEADER - capable of convincing others that the way he’s championing is the right way to go.

Rush isn’t lazy or weak-kneed. He’s well aware of what it takes to be a successful President, and knows the only way for it to sort out is by campaigning.

Campaigning isn’t something you do to become President. In large part, it proves you are qualified to be President. I’m not certain Fred Thompson understands that.


25 posted on 01/05/2008 6:24:18 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Without limited government, there is no religous freedom!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

“I think the sad fact is that a large segment of the American people—perhaps the majority—still look to government to solve their problems.”

Over FIFTY PERCENT of Americans receive some kind of government assistance! And lets not forget about the TENS OF MILLIONS of illegals who also receive free medical care, free eduction, free housing assistance and FREE FOOD!

Who says Communism is dead!

“Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.”
P.J.O’Rourke


26 posted on 01/05/2008 6:28:38 AM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: chicagolady
For example, according to today’s Republican Presidential candidates (with the exception of Ron Paul), patriotism demands that we click our heels to the Department of Homeland Security and that we enthusiastically support aggressive, preemptive war. This is exactly the kind of redefinition of patriotism used so brilliantly by Hitler and his fellow propagandists.

That is an obscene statement. We WERE attacked, and not just once. For 20+ years, we were attacked with growing sophistication by muslim extremists. We haven't gone 6 years without another successful attack because we are lucky or because they gave up. We HAVE our freedoms - including the freedom to shop at a mall without being blown up - because we took the fight to the extremists and forced them to fight our military on their home ground rather than ours. And we have our freedom because we've allowed foreign phone calls to be computer-monitored for developing plots against us.

Ron Paul is clueless about world politics, but he sure is getting rich by playing the idiots who support him.

27 posted on 01/05/2008 6:30:11 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Without limited government, there is no religous freedom!)
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To: Puzzleman
As usual, an interesting take. But Huck does not beat Obama. Both have equally good personalities, but given the choice, America will vote the first truly black president.

At any rate, the problems with both candidates will start when they begin to govern and thus I cannot support either one.

Republicans can do far better than Huck. We need someone who will govern as a both a fiscal and social conservative.

28 posted on 01/05/2008 6:39:39 AM PST by TAdams8591 ((Mitt Romney '08, THE ONLY candidate who can defeat Giuliani and Hillary ))
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To: kindred
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Kindred,


Rush is the midst of some serious soul-searching this weekend.


His refusal to CLEARLY endorse Fred or Mitt is based on his 20-year old Business Plan ...

It's always been easy for Rush ... Big Bucks from Conservative America ... easy during Regean, Bush-41, Clinton and Bush-43 ...


Come on, Rush ... (if you're listening) ... You've made your millions ... take a Patriot's stand.



Patton-at-Bastogne



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29 posted on 01/05/2008 6:43:54 AM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Angels and Ministers of Grace, Defend Us ! ... StarTrek V, The Voyage Home ...)
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To: kindred

Rush is pushing conservatism, not any one person.

If any of Rush’s listeners are confused about who is a more conservative candidate than the rest, then even Rush’s listeners are no better than the sheeple who follow the MSM.

Do your own research and make up your own mind. Why are you looking to someone to fill the void between your own ears ?


30 posted on 01/05/2008 6:47:01 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: kindred

Rush will not say it because of his pledge or eleventh commandment. As an EIB schooled eighteen year, fifty two week, five day, three hour, missing no more than fifty shows in that time I can state without any doubt Rush is a Fred Thompson supporter.


31 posted on 01/05/2008 6:47:23 AM PST by SAWTEX
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To: chicagolady

Wow, great post.


32 posted on 01/05/2008 6:49:13 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Puzzleman

Brilliant!


33 posted on 01/05/2008 6:59:59 AM PST by Gritty (Multiculturalism is now the core ideology of the Left - Lars Hedegaard)
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To: kindred

The Christian Left means that do-gooding, micro-managing Methodists like Hillary and Baptists like Huck with their Utopian visions of how life in America should be are more dangerous than number-crunching atheists named “Scrooge”. It’s enough to make one pray for separation of church and state!


34 posted on 01/05/2008 7:00:55 AM PST by MHT
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To: Puzzleman
I too find myself agreeing with Mike Huckabee that without a strong moral culture, America is not going to prevail against Islamofascists abroad. A nation is as good as its people. But I part company on his political solutions. They involve government far too much.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

35 posted on 01/05/2008 7:07:07 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Mr Rogers

You have to listen to more than just Ron Paul’s soundbites to understand what he is saying. What he means cannot be condensed into 30 seconds.

1. He does not believe we still need troops stationed all over the globe. I’ve asked myself that same question - what are we doing in Germany and Japan, for example, 60+ years after WW II ? We have a blue water navy - if need be we can project a helluva lot of power with the navy. Fighting Communism ? Reagan took out Communism by making them spend billions and billions on their arms and empire and causing the collapse of their economy. I ask you - is there any parallel to today and our economy ?
2. Secondly, he doesn’t believe in nation-building and certainly doesn’t believe it’s the job of the Army to build schools and such. We need our borders defended - not to have the Army defend some other country’s borders.
3. He makes a plausible argument that the defense of our interests stops at our coastal waters and borders. Neither we nor any other nation need the job of defender of the world or executioner of the intolerant. That includes involvement in the UN. We can more easily lead the world to freedom by example rather than by force. And if, like 9/11, we are attacked at home or to our commercial interests abroad, then we, like Jefferson, should take the fight to “the shores of Tripoli” - and then come home after we have pounded them to death. An example - did we invade Libya ? No. Then how did we make it uninviting for Libya to continue its weapons programs ? We took out Afghanistan as retaliation for 9/11 - and along with the Taliban, Quaddafi capitulated voluntarily.
4. He’d close our borders and defend them. If we had a trackable visa program, orderly and lawful immigration enforcement, and closed the borders/built the fence, do you think we’d have had 9/11 happen ? Maybe not - all 19 hijackers had overstayed their visas and had forged documentation/drivers licenses to enable them to stay here.

So, while I don’t agree with everything he says, when he says we caused some of the hatred against us over the course of decades of involvement in the ME, I believe we did. Does that mean Islamofascists have the right to attack us or that we should turn the other cheek ? No of course not, but let’s be honest about why they attack us. They hate our way of life, they hate and have declared war on any religion other than Islam, and they resent Western meddling in the politics of the Middle East. We can get plenty of oil elsewhere than the ME as well as drill here at home - let’s let the ME implode and collapse under the weight of their 7th century beliefs without robbing American taxpayers blind to build up other countries.


36 posted on 01/05/2008 7:16:08 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

see my post #30


37 posted on 01/05/2008 7:16:57 AM PST by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: sirchtruth
I can't believe the GOP has gone essentially goo-goo rino/moderate.

You're nearly 2 decades behind the curve. Do you consider the Bushes anything but moderates?

38 posted on 01/05/2008 7:38:09 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: kindred

Check out http://www.rushlimbaugh.com and read or watch...

Monologue: It’s Back-to-Basics Time for American Conservatism

Watch Rush on Fox News Channel

Populism Is Not Conservatism


39 posted on 01/05/2008 7:45:40 AM PST by Vision (Thompson/Hunter '08)
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To: Gondring

You’re nearly 2 decades behind the curve


truth bump


40 posted on 01/05/2008 7:46:20 AM PST by chasio649
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