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To: bvw
Interesting views. Thanks for the time to post.

Does this mean we should have the children play ‘cowboys and Indians’....errr.. Cowboys and Muslims - nowadays? Hardy to say, but we need to do something to retain what is left of “American culture”.

We fought the Japs (yup, Japs, as in 1940) and to make lasting peace, had to basically destroy the Japans culture as it existed from 1920 or so to wars end. For Germany, we utterly destroyed the country and reformed the Govt at gunpoint.

As for the Muzzies, hard to say - the ones we are fightling really are not a State, and in many cases, not even really a Nation - more of a Tribe. That is going to make things difficult to say theleast.

Recent events in Africa show how quickly tribes trump civilization..

27 posted on 01/06/2008 10:21:05 AM PST by ASOC (The Captain doesn't choose the storm....)
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To: ASOC
The Arabs have ever been tribal, never having a "state". Other cultures under the crescent of Islam have had states that unified tribes -- Iran going back millennia. Iraq. Turkey. The Indonesian variants I am not that familiar with.

The groups in sub-saharan Africa, and in the Horn of Africa are tribal, although in the Horn there is some ancient state heritage. The heritage of those in Bosnia is state-like, and in Albania more tribal/familial.

Look to Turkey for how some made Islam work beyond the tribal -- under the Ottomans, kidnapped outsiders were drafted as children to be Janissaries -- the Imperial Guard and state police. This precluded tribal grudges and vendettas. The Turkish ruler in the early 20th century, Attaturk, enforced a form of secularism in dress and social habits, attempting to restrain, defang, Islam to the Mosque. No more Janissaries. An experiment. Maybe it has worked. My guess is Attaturk was right -- for the Turks.

General MacArthur made sure Japan learned its lesson, and defeated the Emperor, undid the Emperor worship. Without that timely spiritual repair all the firebombings of Tokyo , or nuking of cities would not have kept the warlike Imperial spirit from reawakening in Japan. Such Timeliness may be most important -- just has it is timely for the blacksmith to strike the metal when read-hot, and useless just seconds later.

Germany was beat on the ground, ground down, their war machine was annihilated, the citizens left begging with gold coins for a loaf of bread, and then nursed by us back to some life. But we had no MacArthur for Germany, they are perhaps unlike Japan, mortally wounded, just lingering long. Birth rates. Their spirit is dead, imo.

How do we defeat the Arab Muslims -- the tribalists of Islam? Only when we realize they are mortally dangerous even when appearing peaceful and friendly if they have any resources beyond barest sustenance. And even then their poisonous flame is not extinguished, but ready to flare up or to start poisonous fires anywhere in the world.

Like in the example of General Sherman and thr destruction of great buffalo herds perhaps we have to take their resources away -- that is the oil. Like President Jackson, perhaps we have to remove them from direct contact with civilization, impounded in isolated reservations, where their scholars and imans can continue their vile studies of extremist Islam, but to little effect on us.

Maybe even Dubai is a way. Give the bastard his easy riches and vices as long has he lives in it, with in, dominated by it. But we can't allow a Saudi Arabia or a mullah-run Iran, of both easy riches and sharia. They are the wells of living poison.

29 posted on 01/06/2008 11:55:23 AM PST by bvw
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