Posted on 01/07/2008 8:05:44 AM PST by redrunner
So what if the offender were a male teacher? Would you say the same?
But even those real men have a very different sexual nature than women. Suppose you had an honorable, "real man" who was violated by an attractive woman under threat of force.
Rape doesn't have anything to do with sex. It's an act of aggression.
They simply are not.
They're both illegal, although the ACLU wants to change that.
I would not deny that the psychological problems that would result from something like this might be different for a boy and a girl, but I vehemently deny that a boy wouldn't experience any psychological issues. And I would vehemently deny that a boy would just forget about it if given an X-box by his daddy. (Sorry, that was just such a stupid comment made by another poster.)
Good question. I would not say the same thing, but I believe there are important differences in the two situations.
First, the likelihood that the contact was fully desired by the boy is dramatically less when it is a male teacher. (That's NOT to say that a minor's desire for sex legitimizes the act, only that a lack of desire compounds the problems that result). Second, with certain homosexual acts the likelihood of physical harm and sexually transmitted diseases increases significantly. Third, the consequences of the relationship becoming public are very different.
With a female teacher, the young man will probably be admired by a good chunk of his peers and get a reputation as a ladies man. With a male teacher, the student would probably become an instant outcast and would face all of the issues related to being "outed". Again, this is not to say that the boost in social status after bedding a female teacher is deserved or without its own harmful consequences, but merely that it is not as serious as the consequences of being involved with a male teacher.
Rape doesn't have anything to do with sex. It's an act of aggression.
Perhaps, but it most certainly has a sexual component and it definitely has a unique impact on its victims relative to other acts of aggression. I would be very surprised if a male victim of the act perpetrated by a female would react the same as the female victim of a male perp. But that's just a guess on my part. Since female-male rape is so extraordinarily rare (and probably reported even less so) I doubt anyone has ever studied it.
I would not deny that the psychological problems that would result from something like this might be different for a boy and a girl, but I vehemently deny that a boy wouldn't experience any psychological issues. And I would vehemently deny that a boy would just forget about it if given an X-box by his daddy. (Sorry, that was just such a stupid comment made by another poster.)
I agree with you on both points.
What if the boy had already claimed he was gay?
With a female teacher, the young man will probably be admired by a good chunk of his peers and get a reputation as a ladies man.
I don't view that as a good thing.
I would be very surprised if a male victim of the act perpetrated by a female would react the same as the female victim of a male perp.
I'm sure they would not react in the exact same way. Even women don't respond in the exact same way to being raped. But the attitudes I've seen on this thread certainly serve to suppress any man from reporting a rape let alone expressing to any of his male friends how the rape has affected him. I would venture to say that the reaction of too many males would be akin to him being violated again.
I just wanted to weigh in on all this. First, I live in Pittsburgh, second I know Mrs. Chester and third, there is a Beaver, PA which is really close to Moon. (weird, I know) I don’t get it, this is a nice girl from a good family with a great future. She has a nice husband. She threw all that away for a 14 year old? What in the world was lacking that she thought she could find in a 14 yr. old. Either she is mentally unstable or she is a child predator. I think it is the mental issue. I don’t think that is a defense, she knew right from wrong and she thought she would save her butt by resigning. I think the whole thing is tragic. Her, her family, the young man (who I am sure was a willing participant) and his family will all pay the price. Far too many people think the fantasy world they are living in is real and “true love” lasts forever. The bottom line is even if they had not gotten caught, he would have grown up and moved on. He was “in love” with his first piece of tail and she was “in love” with the excitement but in reality, they were both experiencing runaway hormones.
I stand corrected.... Pittsburgh! Thank you...
If it is like the high schools I have seen lately, one contributing factor is that the faculty in the PE department are isolated almost completely from the rest of school and staff -- as divorced from the flow of normal observation and expectations by the Principal as the kitchen staff or the boilermen. And that should not be, imo. Why not? Because the gym teachers directly interact with the students, just as if not more so than any other group of teachers.
don’t be a pig. show some maturity.
hopefully she and her husband do NOT have any children of their own, so he can find this out about what kind of little girl he really DID marry, and he can move on with his life, marrying someone else. This will likely follow her around the rest of her life, as a RSO (registered sex offender). It definitely IS hard to believe why she would risk so much for so little. Some doctor will label her bipolar, and she will probably go out and do it again once she is on probation. Sad..
It was wrong not only from a legal perspective but from a Judeo-Christian one as well which prohibits pre marital sex regardless of the age difference.
And because the boy probably LIKED it doesn’t justify it either.If you gave him a good shot of dope he would probably like that as well.
Doesn’t mean it is good for him though.
Help me out.I just don’t get your rationalizations.
As supposed conservatives,are we not supposed to uphold traditional Judeo Christian morality?I thought we were supposed to be steadfast against liberal”if it feels good,do it”amoral behavior.Its so funny to be on a conservative forum and not be able to tell some of the comments on here apart from libertine and hedonism advocates.
And I admit I’m no saint.I have had pre marital sex with whores from Oakland to New Orleans.I can justify those adventures with many twists of logic.
But I still was living in sin.
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