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1 posted on 01/07/2008 10:28:00 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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2 posted on 01/07/2008 10:29:02 AM PST by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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H/T to the Captain's Quarters :

How Close Were We To War?

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According to The Telegraph, we came within moments of open warfare with Iran. Iranian patrol boats harassed the US Navy in international waters in the Straits of Hormuz over the weekend. They dropped unknown objects in the water and sent a threat of attack over the radio, only dispersing as the commander of the American fleet gave orders to open fire:

A Pentagon spokesman revealed that five Iranian Revolutionary Guard Navy boats harrassed and provoked three US ships in the narrow waterway at the mouth of the Persian Gulf at the weekend.

The Iranian craft came within 200 yards of the US vessels, which were sailing in international waters.

The Iranian provocations included disregarding warnings to pull back, dropping mysterious objects in the path of the US ships and a hostile radio transmission.

The Pentagon said a radio message warned: "I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes."

Ten months ago, the Iranians tested British resolve in the Gulf, and came away with an important propaganda victory after capturing 15 Royal Navy sailors and marines. The UK did not engage in a military response, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gave the Brits a "gift" by returning the captives.

Undoubtedly, Iran wanted to test American resolve, but could not isolate a small enough vessel to pursue a similar mission. Instead, they basically did a probe to see how far they could go before provoking an armed response. This information could prove useful for Iran's terrorist partners in Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad in the Gulf and elsewhere. It looks suspiciously like a dry run for a repeat of the USS Cole bombing in Aden seven years ago.

This cannot be allowed to happen again. The next time patrol boats approach American vessels and threaten attack, one of them has to head to the bottom of the gulf. If the Iranians want a test, we can provide them with one for emergency evac.

Posted by Ed Morrissey on January 7, 2008 11:24 AM


3 posted on 01/07/2008 10:30:37 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Make my day.


4 posted on 01/07/2008 10:30:59 AM PST by Brilliant
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US Navy commanders were moments away from firing on Iranian attack ships during a skirmish in the Straits of Hormuz, it has emerged......Fire away!


5 posted on 01/07/2008 10:31:01 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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Getting serious ...ping!


6 posted on 01/07/2008 10:32:18 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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Fire away!!I want to see what 1200 rounds of.30 mm fired in less than 7 seconds will to that water infestation. lmao
7 posted on 01/07/2008 10:34:01 AM PST by Ancient Drive
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This is big. Maybe it’s just Persians riding out to flip the bird at their enemy, but it could go south quickly. Oil is down $2 to $95 in response.


8 posted on 01/07/2008 10:35:13 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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Related article:

Iran spy post heightens Gulf tension with US

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By Gethin Chamberlain, Sunday Telegraph

Last Updated: 2:31am BST 17/09/2007

Iran has established a sophisticated spying operation at the head of the Gulf in a move which has significantly heightened tensions in its standoff with the United States.

  • Age of the cyber spy

     
    Map of the Gulf

    The operation, masterminded by the country’s elite Revolutionary Guard, includes the construction of a high-tech spying post close to the point where Iranian forces kidnapped 15 British naval personnel in March.

    The move has forced British and American commanders to divert resources away from protecting oil platforms in the Gulf from terrorist attack and into countering the new Iranian threat.

    The US military says that the spying post, build on the foundations of a crane platform sunk during the Iran-Iraq war, is equipped with radar, cameras and forward facing infra-red devices to track the movement of coalition naval forces and commercial shipping in the northern Gulf.

    Commanders fear that one of the main purposes of the Iranian operation is to enable the Revolutionary Guard to intercept more coalition vessels moving through the disputed waters near the mouth of the Shatt al Arab waterway south of the Iraqi city of Basra.

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    The disastrous British handling of the hostage crisis has convinced some in the Iranian regime that there is mileage in further such attempts.

    But the US military believes the listening post could also be used to help Iranian forces target commercial shipping in response to any US air strikes on its nuclear facilities.

    Such operations would form part of their threat to launch guerrilla or asymmetric attacks on western interests if Iran is attacked.


11 posted on 01/07/2008 10:38:23 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (No Burkas for my Grandaughters!)
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I would just stream a pig-fat solution from the ships fire-control hoses. Nonlethal but extremely humiliating.
12 posted on 01/07/2008 10:38:52 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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The Iranian craft came within 200 yards of the US vessels, which were sailing in international waters.

Why would our commanders allow this? How many drive by explosions from rubber rafts shall we tolerate?

15 posted on 01/07/2008 10:41:16 AM PST by dragnet2
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Who would benefit from closing the Strait? Russia as producer would, but Europe, Japan, China, and India as market would not.


17 posted on 01/07/2008 10:42:12 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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How did the Iranians know there was “an order to fire?” If they simply intercepted a radio transmission, then that needs to be fixed. The Iranian’s first warning should have been pieces of boat flying.


19 posted on 01/07/2008 10:43:52 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (Don't trust anyone who can’t take a joke. [Congressman BillyBob])
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Those intimidators need their asses kicked just for the example...


20 posted on 01/07/2008 10:43:58 AM PST by azhenfud (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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Enough talk from the US blabbermouth bureaucrats and start firing. These “warnings” are getting a bit embarrassing.
21 posted on 01/07/2008 10:45:49 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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It won’t happen again I bet. We actually had our finger on the button to make some Iranian fish food. Historically its been a form of counting “coup” the American Indians did it to harass soldiers. We could play the game but up the stakes, I mean put some heads on stakes.
I ernestly hope somebody has a plan to step ahead of the game, get a Predator to hang around and stop them as they leave shore.


22 posted on 01/07/2008 10:45:51 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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“Officials call it ‘provocative;’ Iran says ships didn’t recognize each other”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22537199/

33 posted on 01/07/2008 10:50:52 AM PST by tobyhill (The media lies so much the truth is the exception)
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The Iranian craft came within 200 yards of the US vessels, which were sailing in international waters.

They'd have been shark sh** at 10x that distance had I been at the trigger.

36 posted on 01/07/2008 10:51:41 AM PST by MarineBrat (My wife and I took an AIDS vaccination that the Church offers.)
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They were expecting our soldiers to play nice like the Brits. That Fire Away command was not foreseen...


40 posted on 01/07/2008 10:54:47 AM PST by Ancient Drive
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Hmmm. Nice way for the Iranians to test to see how close they could get to our fleet with a nuclear weapon. A 10 KT bomb detonated within 200 yards would destroy much of the fleet if I am not mistaken.


41 posted on 01/07/2008 10:55:17 AM PST by quant5
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The commander of that Navy group should have cranked up the CIWIS and turned them into confetti. Those boats were allowed to get way too close. If they’d had torpedoed and the intent to fire them, we’d have three sunk ships.


47 posted on 01/07/2008 10:59:20 AM PST by PsyOp (Truth in itself is rarely sufficient to make men act. - Clauswitz, On War, 1832.)
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