Posted on 01/07/2008 5:12:40 PM PST by Dubya
Summary Box: Afghan-Marines Shooting
The Associated Press
THE INQUIRY: The Marine Corps began a fact-finding hearing Monday to investigate the actions of two special operations officers and their role in shooting that may have killed as many as 19 Afghan civilians. Neither officer has been charged with a crime.
THE INCIDENT: Afghanistan’s Independent Human Rights Commission said the Marine unit fired indiscriminately at civilians after their patrol was hit with a car bomb. Attorneys for the officers say the evidence doesn’t match that version of events.
THE IMPORTANCE: The “court of inquiry” setting allows the Marine Corps to hold open hearings without formally charging anyone with a crime. The panel will eventually recommend whether the two officers named in the investigation should be charged.
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20080107/APN/801070730
Odd???? There was no mention of this on the Marine Corps web link or on DoD’s web link.
Cong. Omar Mullah Murtha,.. are you planting false stories again????
When the Kennedy sliced off the superstructure of the Belknap back in the 70s it was handled with a formal JAGMAN investigation. A COI is very rare. I guess the international interest is driving this one.
And if they had been the ones who were killed nobody would be looking into anything. But it is alleged that the Marines were shooting people miles away. Let's see what the investigation comes up with.
Looks like the Yard Birds would have something better to do than put our Military in prison for killing our enemy.
But the next week, Marine Corps commandant Gen. James T. Conway said Nicholson's apology was premature because an investigation remained under way.
It’s sad that you recruit young guy’s , who just go, no questions asked, because they were asked. Put them in a hostile situation, They get rammed by killers, and what happens is predictable. But to have the gall to then try them as killers ??? What the f is going on here?
This article is not worth the paper that it was printed on. It doesn’t tell us very much and largely confuses the issues.
Firstly, LTG Kearney’s actions were operational decisions. They don’t shed any information, good or bad, on any possible criminal charges that might arise from this incident. I think that its fair to say that he didn’t have confidence in the leadership of this company, but that does not tell us anything about any potential criminal behavior.
COL Nicholson, who is one of the straightest shooters I have ever known, was just lamenting the loss of civilian life. He was not part of the operational chain of command, and is certainly not part of the legal chain of command.
Mark Waple, whom I have known since high school over 40 years ago, cannot be relied upon for the time of day. He’s made his living as a military ambulance chaser. Whomever retained him as a defense attorney made a monumental mistake.
The Court of Inquiry and any subsequent courts martial, if warranted, are firmly in the hands of the Marine Corps. I hope that they consider the evidence fairly and in light of the circumstances of deadly combat that these men found themselves.
Nothing that I have read has led me to a conclusion. I don’t think that anyone who was not there knows what happened and leaping to conclusions based on press reports or statements from third rate attorneys is folly.
Keeping tabs ping.
We have a winner!!
This is the main reason my son has no desire whatsoever to go back active in the Corps.
Oh, that and the way he was treated. For the record, the VA here is doing a great job.
If USSOCOM has Olson as Commander and Kearney as Deputy and the MARSOC as a constituent unit, then this Maj Gen Hejlik went against someone who probably evaluates him in some capacity. (rater or intermediate rater, perhaps.)
It was an act of courage.
I don't know enough about the facts and circumstances to say that, and I seriously doubt that you do either.
Call it experience.
Well, you are not the only swimmer in that pond. I think that I’ll rely on the facts, something that I don’t yet know.
Marsoc is a component command of USSOCOM.
My guess is that the Marines have a line in the rating diagram and that USSOCOM also has one.
MG Hejlik would answer to both.
I had the chance to work a bit for Col Nicholson at Jalalabad. What struck me was how much his men respected him...and my few interactions with him indicated it was justified.
The Army started an investigation, but the Marines weren’t happy with it. I’ll be very interested in what this investigation finds. For myself, I don’t see how shooting repeatedly for miles can be justified...if it was, then it was the only miles-wide ambush ever staged on this road.
The investigation should uncover what happened...but I strongly suspect this was an unjustified shooting. An ambush miles wide on the biggest highway in Afghanistan, right next to a major FOB with attack helicopters?
Roger, I think all of that is true. But, for UCMJ actions, it’ll be strictly along service lines: MARCORSOCOM to HQUSMC.
I am disturbed, as I’m sure you are, by some of the seemingly draconian measures taken against soldiers and Marines for actions in the heat of combat. But, I haven’t seen the evidence, so I’m not going to leap to conclusions based on what I read in the press.
During the First Gulf War, I was responsible for reviewing all of the Army friendly fire incidents. For the most part, the participants got a fair shake. However, I was amazed at some of the poor judgment in some cases, usually by a leader who ought to have known better.
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