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Obama Gets Involved in Kenya Crisis
AP ^ | Jan. 7 2008 | ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY

Posted on 01/08/2008 6:59:21 AM PST by Aristotelian

ELDORET, Kenya) — U.S. presidential candidate Barack Obama phoned Kenya's opposition leader as diplomatic attempts to end Kenya's political crisis intensified Tuesday.

The death toll from a week of violence after President Mwai Kibaki's disputed re-election has reached nearly 500, according to the government, though the opposition claimed the death toll could be up to 1,000. On Monday, Kibaki and opposition leader Raila Odinga made key concessions under U.S. pressure.

Obama — a Democratic Party candidate who is of Kenyan descent — called Odinga late Monday or early Tuesday, said Odinga's spokesman, Salim Lone.

"He called to express grave concern over the election outcome," Lone told The Associated Press. "He also said he was going to call Mr. Kibaki."

The top American envoy to Africa said Monday that the vote count at the heart of the dispute was tampered with but that both sides could have been involved. The Dec. 27 election returned Kibaki to power for another five-year term. Odinga came in a close second

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2008; africa; america; apostate; barack; barackobama; corruption; democratparty; election; elections; hussein; husseinobama; islam; kenya; kenyacrisis; muslim; muslims; obama; odinga; raila; railaodinga; rop; trop; votethirdparty
Joe Klein, Time columnist, reports: On January 1, two days before the Iowa caucuses, Obama left a message for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. According to Robert Gibbs, Obama's Communications Director, Rice called back "as we were driving from Sioux City to Council Bluffs on January 1. They talked about the situation and Rice asked Obama to tape a Voice of America message calling for calm." Obama taped the message on January 2, after a rally in Davenport, Iowa.
1 posted on 01/08/2008 6:59:23 AM PST by Aristotelian
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To: Aristotelian

Klein also reports: In the days since his Iowa victory, Obama has had near-daily conversations with the U.S. Ambassador in Kenya or with opposition leader Raila Odinga. As of late this afternoon, before his rally in Rochester, N.H., Obama was trying to reach Kenyan President Kibaki.


2 posted on 01/08/2008 7:00:35 AM PST by Aristotelian ("Don't Tase Me, Bro!")
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To: Aristotelian
The losing faction has rampaged with rape, arson and murder.

No wonder they are being shut out of power — creatures like that should never be permitted to govern.

3 posted on 01/08/2008 7:01:42 AM PST by BenLurkin
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To: Aristotelian
My understanding is that Obama is already on good terms with Odinga.
Odinga lost the election.
Odinga is the main cause of the current violence.
Odinga is doing this because he is upset over the election outcome.

So Obama calls him up:

"He called to express grave concern over the election outcome," Lone told The Associated Press.

Muslims are killing Christians in Kenya and Obama calls the instigator and says, "Man, you was robbed! That election was rigged!"

Is that it?

4 posted on 01/08/2008 7:04:19 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: All

Seems to be a pattern among Democrats or leftists in general. Any election lost by the left musta been rigged.


5 posted on 01/08/2008 7:06:15 AM PST by Sir Hailstone (I'm a Dollar-a-Day FReeper. Are you? Target Acquired: Indiana's 7th Congressional District)
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To: Aristotelian
It’s not unusual for a democrat to demand a recount. What party purportedly won the election, and was there a religious component?
6 posted on 01/08/2008 7:06:25 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: Aristotelian

Now he’s a foreign policy expert


7 posted on 01/08/2008 7:07:15 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: Aristotelian
Everybody is conducting foreign policy on their own these days. Whee!

Let's just abolish the State Department.

(.....actually, not a bad idea).

8 posted on 01/08/2008 7:07:53 AM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

So you are saying that Obama is supporting a Muslim? Hmm, isn’t Obama a protestant? or so he says.


9 posted on 01/08/2008 7:08:52 AM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Odinga is of the same tribe as Obama,,the Luos I think.

There is somewhere on Fr and entire history of his father and his involvement with these people. The Taliban are agents of the Luo in the slaughter.

Think about it.


10 posted on 01/08/2008 7:09:58 AM PST by cajungirl
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To: ClearCase_guy

OUSS’BAMA knows that kenian mess could be bad for his image and electoral campaign.
But he is making obvious hese links with Odingi...
That’s good this man is making too much the show a bit hysterical.He could easily fall in a trap


11 posted on 01/08/2008 7:10:31 AM PST by Ulysse (fides quaerans intellectum)
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To: Aristotelian

Wow he cares he really cares!


12 posted on 01/08/2008 7:10:49 AM PST by linn37 (phlebotomist on duty,its just a little pinch)
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To: Aristotelian
Which state has Obama offered to their refuges?
13 posted on 01/08/2008 7:13:35 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: ClearCase_guy

There is more to this. Here is some background information regarding why Obama is involved and what Odinga is all about.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/obama-islam-and.html


14 posted on 01/08/2008 7:17:49 AM PST by Albertafriend
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To: Aristotelian

We can all feel better now because he can claim to have “foreign policy experience” to add to his long, impressive list of accomplishments.


15 posted on 01/08/2008 7:25:23 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Albertafriend
Thanks. That's a good article on this subject.

I've seen the mission statement of Obama's "church" here in the US and it seems clear to me that he worships Africa more than he worships Jesus Christ. How much he ought to be considered a Muslim is not for me to say -- but I think he would be a very dangerous choice as US President.

16 posted on 01/08/2008 7:27:14 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (The broken wall, the burning roof and tower. And Agamemnon dead.)
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To: Aristotelian

This is consistent with his church’s declaration that implies they are Africans first, Americans second.


17 posted on 01/08/2008 7:30:31 AM PST by Jane Austen
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To: tiger-one
Which state has Obama offered to their refuges?

As President Obama would bring 100,000 of the Luos into the U.S. as "refugees", like Clinton did with the Somalis. Then we could look forward to a new wave of honor killings, irate taxi drivers and lawsuits.

18 posted on 01/08/2008 8:06:52 AM PST by montag813
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To: montag813

And war


19 posted on 01/08/2008 8:19:28 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: montag813

Luos are not Muslims. The are predominantly Protestant, with some of the more southern areas being tribal animists.


20 posted on 01/08/2008 8:27:02 AM PST by ga medic
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To: Albertafriend

ALL Freepers should read that article!! Obama is siding with his fellow TRIBESMAN and friend who’s followers TORCHED that Church with dozens of people being BURNT TO DEATH...in a CHURCH!


21 posted on 01/08/2008 8:28:31 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: street_lawyer

The PNU party won according to the results, but the elections have been discredited due to fraud, according to British and American diplomats. Kibaki is their candidate and he is an incumbant. His tribe, the Kikayu, is the largest in Kenya, but they don’t even have 25% of the population. Odingo, is the candidate for the ODM party. He is part of the Luo tribe, which is only 13% of the population. Neither of the candidates are Muslim, nor is the majority of Kenyans. I believe that there are only about 10% Muslims in the country.
The violence originated in response to losing and the fraudulent election. It has since been retaliated by the
Kikayu.

This is the Muslim issue: Odinga signed a memorandum of understanding with Muslims in certain areas. He did not release the document, and then someone released a phony one, which claimed that Odingo would support Sharia law. This isn’t something that the Kenyan people want, and Odingo lost many points in the polls. He finally released the real memorandum of understanding and it only said that the Muslim community would support him, in return for his respect of their rights under the current constitution. It was similar to other MOUs that he had established with other minority groups in the country.

I don’t think this is a Muslim/Christian conflict. The Kenyan people have seen what has happened in Sudan and Nigeria with many states having Sharia. They do not want this. There are many issues here, and some are long standing. There are something like 40 tribes there, and many different religions as well.

My personal opinion is that outside Muslims may be encouraging the violence and dissent on both sides, in order to cause instability. Instability would provide an opportunity for the Muslims.

This is information that I got from a close friend whose family is still in Kenya. He returned in Mid-December from 6 week visit. He is Kikayu. I apologize for the long post.


22 posted on 01/08/2008 8:46:06 AM PST by ga medic
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To: Ann Archy

That isn’t true and that isn’t what the article says.


23 posted on 01/08/2008 8:48:03 AM PST by ga medic
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To: Aristotelian

Obama is telling us, if elected, get ready to dump your tax dollars into African money pits......


24 posted on 01/08/2008 8:57:38 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: ClearCase_guy

“Muslims are killing Christians in Kenya and Obama calls the instigator and says, “Man, you was robbed! That election was rigged!””

What do you expect a muslime to do?


25 posted on 01/08/2008 8:59:48 AM PST by MrLee (Sha'alu Shalom Yerushalyim!! God bless Eretz Israel.)
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To: Albertafriend; Clive; Fred Nerks; SunkenCiv; potlatch

Raila Odinga has, in his own words, a "close personal friendship" with Barrack Hussein Obama Junior.

Interesting that Obama should sidle up to the agitator aligned with Islam.


26 posted on 01/08/2008 9:46:57 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...
On Monday, Kibaki and opposition leader Raila Odinga made key concessions under U.S. pressure... The top American envoy to Africa said Monday that the vote count at the heart of the dispute was tampered with but that both sides could have been involved. The Dec. 27 election returned Kibaki to power for another five-year term.
This is part of the legacy of Al Gore. So was the recent presidential election in Mexico. Thanks g76.

At last! Something for which Al Gore can *truthfully* claim credit.
27 posted on 01/08/2008 10:01:14 AM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________Profile updated Sunday, December 30, 2007)
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To: Aristotelian

Where in the order of things is Obama’s allegiance?

African, Muslim, Black, Christian in a Black Racist church, American, Senator, Democrat, “Unifier”, Stealth candidate for ??????

We know so little about this clown - yet the American left is in love!


28 posted on 01/08/2008 10:34:00 AM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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Although the population is reportedly somewhere between 10% and 20% Muslim depending upon the source, the Kibaki government has ignored the atrocities committed in the name of Allah; however, also reported is this:

Kenya's Muslims voiced Friday, January 4, their support for defeated opposition candidate Raila Odinga, and called for recounting the votes cast in a hotly disputed presidential elections to stem a vicious cycle of ethnic violence. "The overwhelming majority of Kenyan Muslims have voted for Odinga thanks to his pro-Muslims stances," Abdullah Abdi, the chairman of Kenya's National Muslim Leaders Forum (NMLF), told IslamOnline.

Given Obama's father is Muslim, I would not be surprised if Obama is ok with Islam, not necessarily terrorist, but shares the typical European philosophy that we need to leave them alone and they won't bother us.

see: Raila Odinga, the current frontrunner in the upcoming presidential election in Kenya, has promised to implement strict Islamic Sharia law if he receives the Muslim vote in the predominantly Christian country and is elected president.

 

29 posted on 01/08/2008 12:50:36 PM PST by street_lawyer (Conservative Defender of the Faith)
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To: ga medic

Yes it is...they are friends and it’s his supporters that TORCHED the Church and burnt those people.


30 posted on 01/08/2008 12:54:27 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: ga medic

I read that Muslims were about 30%. Also I read that there was a secret MOU that was not released where Odinga agreed to Sharia in the Muslim provinces.


31 posted on 01/08/2008 6:23:49 PM PST by dervish (Pray for the peace of an UNDIVIDED JEWISH Jerusalem)
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To: Albertafriend
another link on Obama's background.
32 posted on 01/08/2008 6:26:42 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: cajungirl

See the link at post 32.—I believe that is the site you refer to.


33 posted on 01/08/2008 6:29:06 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: george76

Thanks for the ping george.


34 posted on 01/08/2008 7:33:02 PM PST by potlatch ("Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we're here we might as well dance!")
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To: dervish

Muslims only represent about 10%. The Kenyan people are predominantely Christian, and they have seen what happened to Nigeria and Sudan, with the implementation of Sharia. They don’t want that to happen to their country.

There was a MOU and it was disclosed, but its contents were kept secret. The other party took the opportunity to “create” its own version and to issue it as the original. This false version included support for Sharia, and cost Odinga about 10% in the polls. (like I said, the muslim population is small, and the Kenyans do not want Sharia anywhere)

Odinga then released the actual MOU and it did not say anything about Sharia. It was a generic promise of support from the Muslims in the area, in return for Odingas promise to respect their rights under the current constitution. The MOU issue was just political games to win the election.


35 posted on 01/09/2008 9:43:02 AM PST by ga medic
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To: Ann Archy

Odinga is a cousin of Obama, I believe. As I read the article again, I still found nothing to support that Obama has supported Odinga over Kibaki. He has spoken to both of them, and has disputed the election results, which were considered fraudulent by both British and American observers.

I don’t like Obama, but accusing him of supporting those that burnt that church and killed those people is unfair. The American voters may not be the smartest out there, but they absolutely do not support such actions, and would not support anyone who did.


36 posted on 01/09/2008 9:47:55 AM PST by ga medic
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To: ga medic
That isn’t true and that isn’t what the article says. from reply #21

You were wrong then....you're wrong now....I didn't say Obama Supported the ARSONIST KILLERS...I said he supported the supporters of the ones who did.....his couson or friend (whatever he is) is the INSTIGATOR of these ARSONIST KILLERS.

37 posted on 01/09/2008 9:55:32 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Ann Archy

Where does he say that he supports them?


38 posted on 01/09/2008 10:52:49 AM PST by ga medic
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To: ga medic

“There was a MOU and it was disclosed, but its contents were kept secret. The other party took the opportunity to “create” its own version and to issue it as the original.”

That just means you believe Odinga and the Muslim version.


39 posted on 01/10/2008 5:31:12 AM PST by dervish (Pray for the peace of an UNDIVIDED JEWISH Jerusalem)
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To: dervish

” That just means you believe Odinga and the Muslim version”

I would think that the Odinga and Muslim version of the agreement would be the most accurate, given that they are the only parties to the agreement. Actually, I believe that it was eventually proved that the originally released version was a fraud, made and released by political operatives. It was the subsequent drop in polls that eventually forced Odinga to release the original.

I am not really taking sides in this fight, other than to say that the people killing and burning churches are terrorists and should be severly punished for their actions. As for the election, I just don’t know enough about the issues in Kenya to form an opinion.

Making this a Muslim vs Christian issue is just incorrect. I believe and have been told by Kenyans that the violence is not religious, but tribal. I am hopeful that the violence will stop, not only for the people of Kenya that are suffering now, but because the longer this instability goes on, the more likely the Muslim extremists will be to take advantage of it.


40 posted on 01/10/2008 12:22:32 PM PST by ga medic
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To: ga medic

I’m skeptical of your interpretation because “tribal” is often code for religious, and the Western press and leftists let Arabs/Muslims hide behind that code name for fear of inflaming anti-Muslim sentiment.

Check this out

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sudan+tribal+darfur


41 posted on 01/10/2008 2:30:43 PM PST by dervish (Pray for the peace of an UNDIVIDED JEWISH Jerusalem)
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To: BenLurkin

Ah, just what we need - to get entangled in the never-ending violence and corruption in Africa.


42 posted on 01/10/2008 2:45:08 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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