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France best, U.S. worst in preventable deaths
MSNBC ^ | January 8, 2007 | Reuters

Posted on 01/08/2008 8:38:21 AM PST by mngran2

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To: kittymyrib

What did happen to Glen Beck, anyway?


41 posted on 01/08/2008 9:15:17 AM PST by Marie2 (I used to be disgusted. . .now I try to be amused.)
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To: mngran2
How much of this is honest reporting of the causes of death? There have been a few recent articles about patients dying in British hospitals from hospital caused infections and their death certificates report other causes.
42 posted on 01/08/2008 9:15:43 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Rattenschadenfreude: joy at a Democrat's pain, especially Hillary's pain caused by Obama.)
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To: mngran2
......deaths that they deemed could have been prevented by access....... - This is a study? How does this crap get published?
43 posted on 01/08/2008 9:18:49 AM PST by bobsatwork
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To: mngran2

So all we need is a nanny state with nationalized health care and we will become a paradise????


44 posted on 01/08/2008 9:19:28 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: gracesdad

Exactly.

Take my wife’s Dutch cousin, an ex-secretary married to a trucker in Holland. In her mid 50s she came down with a heart condition that eventually prevented her from working. Does she have better access to affordable care than her typical US counterpart? Absolutely.

But if was 80, would she have received the sort of expensive government-funded cardiac surgery my wife’s mother did - paid for by Medicare - at that age? Absolutely not.

Every country has to make choices about how to ration publicly funded health care, and every country rations it differently. In this country middle-aged people regularly go bankrupt as a result of medical expenses - never happens in Holland. In this country people with an actuarial expectation of only a few more years of life receive hundred of thousands of dollars worth of life-extending treatments, never happens in Holland.

One important difference between the US and most other advance economies is that they have a much more candid public discussion about how they ration these resources than we do. IMO that’s because many people on both the left ans right in this country are locked into ideological positions that prevent them from acknowledging that rationing does, and has, to take place at all.


45 posted on 01/08/2008 9:19:42 AM PST by M. Dodge Thomas (Opinion based on research by an eyewear firm, which surveyed 100 members of a speed dating club.)
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To: mngran2

Yes, it’s always about the health insurance nowadays. Remember that election cycle when it was always about “the children”?

Even with health insurance, many people would be too irresponsible and lazy to do something until crisis time. Look at all the obesity here now. A certain percentage of the country doesn’t care about its health until it’s too late. That won’t change with universal care. All that will change is the dumbing down of the greatest health care the world has ever seen.


46 posted on 01/08/2008 9:20:12 AM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Ulysse

All I know is that at this point he simply can’t afford to return to the U.S. He’s looked into because he would like to return.


47 posted on 01/08/2008 9:20:56 AM PST by gracesdad
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To: Antoninus
Oh please. This is a completely subjective study, depending on what one considers 'preventable'.

were abortions included as preventable deaths?

48 posted on 01/08/2008 9:21:56 AM PST by Go Gordon (The short fortune teller who escaped from prison was a small medium at large.)
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To: Graybeard58

“Abortion is a preventable death.”

According to the left pregnancy is a curable disease.


49 posted on 01/08/2008 9:27:33 AM PST by MPJackal ("From my cold dead hands.")
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To: mngran2
Oh, to be safe, and French! To eat of ze cheeze and to be, 'ow you say, a minkey.

/sarc

50 posted on 01/08/2008 9:36:39 AM PST by Ol' Sox
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To: Ulysse

“France health care system is a big mess with a huge deficit which is going worth and worth.”...

Maybe they can help with that speech impediment!


51 posted on 01/08/2008 9:37:53 AM PST by catman67
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To: John123

Yet...


52 posted on 01/08/2008 9:43:45 AM PST by Hoffer Rand
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To: mngran2

That’s getting boring.

Every year there is a study (or a “movie”!) satying that the French have the best healthcare and the US one of the worst.

I am sure we could easily find some links to some studies saying the opposite but we have better things to do.


53 posted on 01/08/2008 9:44:47 AM PST by darkness78 (y)
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To: jdm

“We don’t have hundreds of cars torched every night like France, do we?”

I like this one!

They are for sure the best in “car torching”!


54 posted on 01/08/2008 9:45:57 AM PST by darkness78 (y)
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To: dfwgator

“Tell that to the 15,000 French elderly who died in the heat wave a few years back.”

That’s true, but i am not sure they died in some hospitals.


55 posted on 01/08/2008 9:47:06 AM PST by darkness78 (y)
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To: mngran2

Face it, the French eat less, therefore fewer die of fat-related diseases. Eating less and weighing less would contribute to preventing deaths in the US far more than insurance coverage would.

In the end, most people die of stupidity.


56 posted on 01/08/2008 9:52:44 AM PST by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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To: Hoffer Rand
Yet...

Dude... bite your tongue! We don't want "them" to be mad at us...

57 posted on 01/08/2008 10:16:30 AM PST by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: Hoffer Rand
Before you respond, yes, I was being sarcastic... Remember all the leftist said we shouldn't respond to 9/11 because we will make the radical Muslims mad at us?

What an absurdity!

58 posted on 01/08/2008 10:20:22 AM PST by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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To: John123

LOL.

Yeah, last thing we need is the “zero to seething in 30 seconds” crowd mad...


59 posted on 01/08/2008 10:20:49 AM PST by Hoffer Rand
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To: dfwgator

Great work! When I saw this headline I was going to post this very same fact.

I’m starting to feel like FR is it in terms of sane public discourse. Walls are closing in on me a little.


60 posted on 01/08/2008 10:26:01 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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