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1 posted on 01/08/2008 8:38:22 AM PST by mngran2
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Tell that to the 15,000 French elderly who died in the heat wave a few years back.


2 posted on 01/08/2008 8:39:09 AM PST by dfwgator (11+7+15=3 Heismans)
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I’d say Reuters health care raters are just about as reliable as their middle east faux-tographers


6 posted on 01/08/2008 8:42:10 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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Are you including those who got killed and maimed during the Muslim riots?

You know, we don't have those in the US of A...

7 posted on 01/08/2008 8:42:11 AM PST by John123 ("What good fortune for the governments that the people do not think" -- Adolf Hitler)
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How in the word do you even come up with statistics for somethig like this?
8 posted on 01/08/2008 8:42:26 AM PST by SoCal Pubbie
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Oh please. This is a completely subjective study, depending on what one considers 'preventable'.

This study was done with one purpose in mind--to show how wonderful it is to live under a socialized system.
9 posted on 01/08/2008 8:42:45 AM PST by Antoninus (If you want the national GOP to look more like the Massachusetts GOP, vote for Flip Romney)
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“London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine tracked deaths that they deemed could have been prevented by access to timely and effective health care”

Yep - a completely OBJECTIVE standard. Like that Lancet study of Iraq War deaths.


10 posted on 01/08/2008 8:44:02 AM PST by Right Cal Gal (Remember Billy Dale!!!)
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Hmmm. Wonder how overall longevity compares?


13 posted on 01/08/2008 8:44:48 AM PST by Hegemony Cricket (Although most dead people vote democrat, aborted babies, if given the choice, would vote Republican.)
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France best, U.S. worst in preventable deaths

Yeah, running away will certainly prevent deaths.

14 posted on 01/08/2008 8:45:00 AM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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We don’t have hundreds of cars torched every night like France, do we?


15 posted on 01/08/2008 8:45:09 AM PST by jdm (A Hunter Thompson ticket would be suicide.)
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France best, U.S. worst in preventable deaths

"Hold muh champagne!" just isn't a cultural phenomenon over there. ;)

17 posted on 01/08/2008 8:47:41 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ("Wise men don't need to debate; men who need to debate are not wise." -- Tao Te Ching)
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““I wouldn’t say it (the last-place ranking) is a condemnation, because I think health care in the U.S. is pretty good if you have access. But if you don’t, I think that’s the main problem, isn’t it?” Nolte said in a telephone interview.”

Everyone has access to health care in the US, whether you can pay for it or not.

What a joke.


18 posted on 01/08/2008 8:49:11 AM PST by Slapshot68
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The best way to combat preventable deaths is to stay away from doctors and hospitals. Mistakes made in hospitals cause over 100,000 deaths a year, and this doesn’t count the thousands who die from infections picked up while in the hospital. Just ask Glen Beck about that.


19 posted on 01/08/2008 8:50:08 AM PST by kittymyrib
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We have only just begun the new, dedicated campaign by the left and the MSM. The new vogue in the MSM is to point out how the US is diminishing in status compared to the rest of the world. The value of the dollar, the emergence of China, the living standards of the British, health of the French, and on and on. Watch for this more and more running up to the 2008 election. Watch for the MSM to now begin to cast Obama as the agent of hope for a declining US.


20 posted on 01/08/2008 8:50:09 AM PST by Obadiah (I don't like to brag - but I'm half-bilingual!)
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France health care system is a big mess with a huge deficit which is going worth and worth.
No more new french doctors want to work in this system.
Legal and illegal immigrants with all children and families can have free health cares.
It is an announced disastre but everything’s fine before the fatal crash when we will meet the ground.
Guess the UK searchers didn’t take in consideration the economic criteria....
I am a french doctor and i would be curious to see the details of their study


22 posted on 01/08/2008 8:52:52 AM PST by Ulysse (fides quaerans intellectum)
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“In establishing their rankings, the researchers considered deaths before age 75 from numerous causes, including heart disease, stroke, certain cancers, diabetes, certain bacterial infections and complications of common surgical procedures.

Such deaths accounted for 23 percent of overall deaths in men and 32 percent of deaths in women, the researchers said.”

So the other 68% to 77% died from old age, viruses, accidents or violence, right?

That brings us back to the behaviorial causes of deaths over which no amount of government health care or private health insurance could effect any control.


23 posted on 01/08/2008 8:54:10 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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I don’ know anything about the “Researchers ... of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine”. Is there any particular reason I should trust them, other than they are all wearing white coats?


25 posted on 01/08/2008 8:56:20 AM PST by gridlock (300 Million Americans will not be elected President in 2008. Hillary Clinton will be one of them.)
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The start of the MSM push to sell "Universal Free Health Care"....one of Obama's pet issues!

The pitch is: "You want the Government to take care of you you must vote for Obama".

The sad fact is our public education system has prepared an entire generation (or two) to accept this jump on the socialist bandwagon!

26 posted on 01/08/2008 8:57:09 AM PST by HardStarboard (Take No Prisoners - We're Out Of Qurans)
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Abortion is a preventable death.


27 posted on 01/08/2008 8:57:10 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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These comparisons are silly.

The biggest factor in the number of "preventable deaths" in the U.S. compared to other industrialized nations is our lower population density. The problem with "access to health care" in many parts of the U.S. is a function of the rural character of large portions of this country, not a lack of medical insurance.

This is why, for example, deaths in auto accidents have become very rare in a place like New York City -- which has very heavy traffic as well as some of the worst drivers on the planet. It's simply not that easy to die in a car accident if your accident occurs in close proximity to some of the top trauma centers in the world.

If you look at any list of nations in the world as ranked according to the alleged quality of their health care systems, you'll find a disproportionate number of densely-populated countries among them -- including Japan, Singapore, Malta, Luxembourg, etc.

28 posted on 01/08/2008 8:58:42 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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This is such b.s.

If health care is so bad here and unavailable to poor people, why is it that relatives of illegals come here to ‘vacation’ when they get a bad diagnosis from a Mexican doctor?

These relatives come straight from the airport to the ER where they are immediately hospitalized. And you and I pay for their care.


30 posted on 01/08/2008 9:03:06 AM PST by ladyjane
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