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Will Work for Taxes
Safe Haven ^ | Jan 8 2008 | Thee Mogambo Guru

Posted on 01/09/2008 3:52:03 AM PST by databoss

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To: camle

If the information in this article is correct, then this woman’s sole source of income (her Social Security check) comes out of my paycheck every two weeks. So by your logic, this woman should live wherever the hell I — and all her other benefactors who work for an honest living in this country — tell her to live.


21 posted on 01/09/2008 4:19:49 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Alberta's Child

And what if I don’t want any of that? Or what if I’m willing to pay for is as I need it?

We homeschool our kids, I own forearms and I carry fire insurance. I pay road taxes when I buy gas.

As it is now, am I a free man? Thomas Jefferson wouldn’t think so.


22 posted on 01/09/2008 4:21:05 AM PST by ovrtaxt (People seemed to be content, $50 paid the rent, FREAKS WERE IN A CIRCUS TENT, Those were the days.)
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To: ovrtaxt

forearms= firearms lol


23 posted on 01/09/2008 4:21:50 AM PST by ovrtaxt (People seemed to be content, $50 paid the rent, FREAKS WERE IN A CIRCUS TENT, Those were the days.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Once this woman went on a fixed income, she should have sold her property and moved to more moderate accomodations. I don’t expect granny to try to maintain her same standard of accommodations depending on a gubmit check.


24 posted on 01/09/2008 4:26:11 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: databoss

Isn’t that nice. Instead of LOWERING taxes they allow the OLD person at 72 years old WORK for her taxes.

Get’s “620 Social Security check per month ($7,440 a year), and has to pay $12,000 a year in property taxes on the house that she has lived in for 43 years.”

Hope she can handle working like this when she’s 90! If not will the street be her new home?

Liberals are so compassionate, aren’t they?


25 posted on 01/09/2008 4:32:17 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: databoss

Come to NJ. THAT’s CHEAP 12k a year!

We pay allot more than that!


26 posted on 01/09/2008 4:33:43 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God) .)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Her house appears to be a modest rancher surrounded by newly built McMansions. Of course, her assessment and taxes get dragged up by the big yuppie houses surrounding her.


27 posted on 01/09/2008 4:37:45 AM PST by ottbmare
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To: LetsRok
Once this woman went on a fixed income, she should have sold her property and moved to more moderate accommodations. I don’t expect granny to try to maintain her same standard of accommodations depending on a gubmit check

It happened to my In-Laws in PA. Property taxes on their 150 Thousand home were eating them alive. Living on what little savings they had and social security, they were not making it. So they had to sell their place and move to Indiana for a 90K place losing much of their nest egg money in the process.

Property taxes should be based on income, since if the income is lower than the taxes the state takes your home. Not a good idea for America.

28 posted on 01/09/2008 4:37:55 AM PST by sr4402
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To: Alberta's Child

And when you need help most I hope that you find the same amount of sympathy, very little. Of course you will have several choices...


29 posted on 01/09/2008 4:43:19 AM PST by Camel Joe (liberal=socialist=royalist/imperialist pawn=enemy of Freedom)
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To: camle
sounds like slavery to me.

Slavery is another way of saying "100% tax rate."

30 posted on 01/09/2008 4:43:47 AM PST by abb (The Dinosaur Media: A One-Way Medium in a Two-Way World)
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To: Alberta's Child

so you’d rather be a slave owner, abusing citizens for financial reasons? Does she have any rights at all? Are you willing to reimburse her for her property when you kick her out on the street, or would she be lucky that you let her breather air after you ruin her?


31 posted on 01/09/2008 4:53:56 AM PST by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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To: sr4402
"Property taxes should be based on income, since if the income is lower than the taxes the state takes your home. Not a good idea for America."

That would lead to wide scale tax cheating. Families would move in together or large houses would become rentals with the lowest paid person on the title as the owner for tax assessment purposes.
32 posted on 01/09/2008 4:56:47 AM PST by LetsRok
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To: Dixie Yooper
I'll put you down, along with Marx, as being in favor of a graduated income tax.

Why does it matter what she has or has not? Does she have a greater or lesser stake in the government than her townsmen?

ML/NJ

33 posted on 01/09/2008 4:58:16 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Alberta's Child
The minute you build or buy a house with a driveway on a paved street, with public utilities providing you with all the comforts of modern life, with a fire hydrant on the next corner and a fire department ready to answer a call to your address, a 911 system with a police department ready to address any emergency in your home, a public school system to educate baby-sit your childern, etc. . . . I think it's safe to say that the notion that you own your property "free and clear" is a delusional pipe-dream.

Alternatively, what would be the value of a $500,000 house if it were sitting in a clearing in the woods without any of those? What price would the Market support? Loose change. One WOULD own it free and clear, of course, because no one else would want it.

34 posted on 01/09/2008 4:58:35 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Alberta's Child
The minute you build or buy a house with a driveway on a paved street, with public utilities providing you with all the comforts of modern life, with a fire hydrant on the next corner and a fire department ready to answer a call to your address, a 911 system with a police department ready to address any emergency in your home, a public school system to educate baby-sit your childern, etc. . . . I think it's safe to say that the notion that you own your property "free and clear" is a delusional pipe-dream.

While I tend to agree with you that a government does have its place, and there has to be some sort of tax(es) to pay for it, I would note that when I was growing up on Long Island about 20 miles east of Manhattan, we had all those things you mention. (except the 911 system, but we did have garbage collection, snow plowing, water, &c.) But back then I would guess that property taxes were a much lower percentage of a family's annual expenditures and there were no sales taxes at all. Now on LI, it's 8% or more. Income tax did exist then but at rates probably a fifth of what they are today. The old woman in question probably wouldn't have had to pretend to work someplace for three quarters of the year (Do the math: 12000/7) in order that she could remain in her house.

ML/NJ

35 posted on 01/09/2008 5:19:27 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: ovrtaxt
And what if I don’t want any of that? Or what if I’m willing to pay for is as I need it? We homeschool our kids, I own forearms and I carry fire insurance. I pay road taxes when I buy gas.

If your house is on fire, would you tell the fire department not to respond? And if so, would the fire department be obligated to respond anyway because your burning house presents a threat to an adjacent property owner?

As for your first point . . . I look forward to the day when government services are financed on a pay-as-you-go basis. In the meantime, I find it a bit hypocritical for an elderly person to complain that she can't afford to "pay" after decades of benefitting from the system that she now finds unaffordable.

36 posted on 01/09/2008 5:23:36 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: camle

Serf city, here we come!


37 posted on 01/09/2008 5:25:41 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: databoss

Spanish or old Norman French?


38 posted on 01/09/2008 5:27:23 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: sr4402
Property taxes should be based on income, since if the income is lower than the taxes the state takes your home.

No, property taxes should be based on something that provides a tangible representation of a property's impact on taxpayer costs. A home's value does not (i.e., a single person living in a 15-bedroom house requires fewer services than 5 Mexican families living together in a small Cape Cod), so it should be based on things like the size of the property (this is a good indicator of drainage area), water usage, sanitary sewer usage, number of registered vehicles on site, etc. And "public" schools should not be funded through property taxes in any way, either.

39 posted on 01/09/2008 5:28:17 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Camel Joe
And when you need help most I hope that you find the same amount of sympathy, very little.

If this woman were in dire need of financial assistance I would be more than willing to help her out.

The notion that my paycheck must be raided on a regular basis to support everyone who "needs help" is something that runs counter to every founding principle on which this nation is built.

40 posted on 01/09/2008 5:30:10 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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