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RNC Head Denies Party's Responsibility to Electorate for 'Iowa Deception'
Christian News Wire ^ | Jan. 9 | Stephen Stone

Posted on 01/09/2008 12:57:58 PM PST by Between the Lines

Monday, Stephen Stone, CEO of Alan Keyes for President, met with Republican National Committee Chairman Mike Duncan to discuss "evidence of deception by the Iowa Republican Party with regard to the recent caucuses."

Stone delivered a letter that described the campaign's allegations against Iowa GOP officials. According to Stone, the state party's behavior in the caucuses "disenfranchises voters" and appears to have "violated the election laws."

Among the facts outlined by Stone:

1. State party leaders gave precinct chairs a "suggested ballot" of presidential candidates that was used to guide caucus-goers in the nominating and voting process, and Alan Keyes' name was excluded from the list. The reason given by party officials was that Keyes "announced too late" -- although he announced four months ago on Sept. 14, nine days after Fred Thompson. Stone noted the party's list of favored candidates amounted to free advertising and gave them an unfair advantage.

2. Party leaders claimed they weren't aware Keyes was running, even though many of these officials personally attended a Dec. 12 Iowa presidential debate involving all the major Republican candidates, including Keyes. The debate, sponsored by the Des Moines Register, was broadcast nationally by CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, C-SPAN, and PBS.

3. Claiming they couldn't include Keyes' name in their electronic reporting system, GOP officials have refused to release the total number of votes for Keyes, saying they don't know the total -- even though witnesses say they saw precinct chairs reporting to state officials the number of votes received by Keyes at the caucuses. A C-SPAN viewer claims he saw a video clip that documented the reporting of votes for Keyes to state headquarters by two precinct chairs.

4. The Iowa GOP continues to exclude Keyes as a candidate on their website (www.iowagop.net) -- as well as exclude his vote totals -- as though his candidacy doesn't exist.

5. According to Iowa statutes, failure by officials to report the votes of qualified voters in a presidential precinct caucus is illegal and punishable by law.

6. The exclusion of Keyes appears motivated by bias against him -- in a way that is un-American and contrary to democratic principles.

Said Stone, "In our judgment, the tactics we've witnessed by the state party are reminiscent of 'communist-style' electoral politics. By unfairly developing a 'suggested ballot' of candidates, and allowing irregular handling of votes for Ambassador Keyes, state party officials created an atmosphere of intimidation for Keyes voters."

"Aside from damaging the environment for free choice in the election process" -- Stone said he told RNC chairman Duncan -- "such deceptive practices are both unethical and illegal."

Duncan's response, Stone said, was to deny that the Republican Party has any responsibility for the illegal or improper actions of state parties. According to Stone, this response is unacceptable, since the RNC recently penalized several state parties for pushing the 2008 presidential primaries far ahead of schedule, due to their inordinate zeal to be "first in the nation."

As punishment, the national party stripped New Hampshire, Wyoming, Michigan, Florida, and South Carolina of half their delegates to the national GOP convention, to be held in Minneapolis in September. "If the RNC can do this, it can do similar things to stop states like Iowa from ignoring fair electoral process and deceiving and disenfranchising the electorate," Stone added.

The full text of Stone's letter to Chairman Duncan is available at www.AlanKeyes.com -- along with supporting documents and the testimony of witnesses.


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To: Hemorrhage
In my experience, Keyes will take any little blip like this — then scream “injustice” like he’s Malcolm X to milk it for maximum publicity. He’ll say its because he’s black. He’ll say its because the media hates him. He’ll say its because the GOP is afraid of him. He’ll run his mouth until his eyes fall out.

By the way, this paragraph is stinking up the joint.

41 posted on 01/09/2008 2:15:13 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Cut the heart out of the GOP platform, and the party will be nothing but "a Weekend at Bernie's...)
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To: Lurking Libertarian

“he is going to pick Katherine Harris as his running mate, so we will have two proven vote-getters on the ticket!”

LOL!


42 posted on 01/09/2008 2:17:30 PM PST by toddlintown (Five bullets and Lennon goes down. Yet not one hit Yoko. Discuss..)
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To: Soliton

I post the below transcript as an example of how craven folks like you who call Dr. Keyes “crazy” really are.

They’re the words of one of the sanest men in America, actually:

Audio:
http://archives.alankeyes.com/play.php?mp3=129

Presidential Candidate Forum, Ohio Christian Alliance

Alan Keyes
October 11, 2007

MODERATOR, CHRIS LONG, OHIO CHRISTIAN ALLIANCE: Welcome back to our Presidential Candidate Forum. I’m your host, Chris Long. I’m the president of the Ohio Christian Alliance, and joining me on the phone from Georgia is the chairwoman of the Georgia Christian Alliance.

In just a few minutes we will be joined by Ambassador Alan Keyes, who recently declared his candidacy for president on the Republican side. He’s been in a couple of Presidential Candidate Forums since his announcement, and we’re pleased that he’s joined us tonight on this Presidential Candidate Forum.

We would like to mention to our listeners that all the candidates for the presidency have been invited, both Democrat and Republican. The candidates that you’re hearing tonight have agreed to join us.

We’ve had two nights of Candidate Forums. Congressman Duncan Hunter joined us from California, and Congressman Tom Tancredo from Colorado joined us in our first Presidential Candidate Forum on September 13.

Tonight we have with us — of course you’ve just heard the conclusion of our interview and forum with Kansas Senator Sam Brownback — in just a few minutes we’ll be joined by Ambassador Alan Keyes, and then at 8:00 former Senator of Tennessee Fred Thompson will be joining us.

This is a great opportunity for values voters to hear first-hand from the candidates themselves. And we have, as many of you know, emailed to you the opportunity as you’ve responded in-kind with a number of questions that we’re weaving into the discussion tonight with the candidates, and we’d like to thank you for doing that. There’s still opportunity for you to do so: you can go to ohioca.org and click on the link and you can send your question tonight for the candidates.

But with that, again, joining me and co-hosting tonight is Sadie Fields. Sadie, welcome back. Sadie, are you there? Sadie Fields will be joining us, but we’d like to get started and again we’d like to welcome Ambassador Alan Keyes. Ambassador, welcome to tonight’s Presidential Candidate Forum.

ALAN KEYES: Thank you. Hi, how are you?

MODERATOR: Very good.

SADIE FIELDS: Good evening, Ambassador.

KEYES: Good evening.

MODERATOR: Well, Mr. Keyes, we’d like to get right to it with some of our questions tonight. We want to thank you for taking time out of your campaign to join us. And the Christian Alliance chapters of Ohio, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, Pennsylvania and across the country as well are all listening in tonight.

Our first selection of questions is under the title of illegal immigration. What are your views of illegal immigration and border security?

KEYES: Well, I think we’re actually faced with a crisis of our national sovereignty. One of its major symptoms is the loss of control of our borders.

To be quite honest, I think we have elites who, in responding to the interests of some selfish cliques and corporations, have essentially sacrificed the sovereignty of the American people, and have set us up in fact for the collapse of our republic under the weight of what amounts to a demographic invasion that will entirely change the character of our people.

It’s like we’re going to change from one sovereign people to another, only the people who replace the folks who presently constitute the people of the United States will be folks who are not committed to self-government, the Constitution, the godly principles of the Declaration of Independence — that our rights come from our Creator God — but who instead have come to America just looking for material betterment, and they’ll play right into the hands of the people who would like to change this from a country based on moral principles to a country based on selfish, hedonistic materialism.

So I think we’re faced with a great crisis. Our first priority should be to control that border. I think we have to establish a national border guard, we have to use our technology to seal the border so that only those come across that we want to come across.

And that will safeguard us from illegal immigration, but more importantly, it will also contribute to our national security: because if folks can come across the border to look for jobs, they can also come across the border looking to take our lives.

I don’t know why we are neglecting this key element of our national security, pretending that the only thing that’s involved here is economic issues and issues of economic betterment. That’s simply not true.

So, sovereignty is at stake. Security is at stake. And if we don’t give top priority to restoring our full control of our border, then I’m afraid this country is going to face deep danger — not in the future, but right now — because we are no longer able to enforce our laws and protect our people.

MODERATOR: If you’re just joining us, you’re listening to the Presidential Candidate Forum put on by the Christian Alliance chapters across the country. With us on the phone is the former Ambassador Alan Keyes, who has declared his presidential candidacy on the Republican side.

Ambassador, we’d like to follow up that question about illegal immigration and border security with what we’ve seen this last summer, and that an amnesty bill tried to make its way through congress. In 1986, President Reagan did sign a form of amnesty. Two to three million people, I think, is what was granted at that time who were illegal immigrants in this country. It didn’t work then, and there are many who believe it wouldn’t work now.

What would you do as president to deal with the estimated 18-20 million illegals already in the United States?

KEYES: I think the first thing we have to do — because, I will be honest. I think even asking that question is premature. We have a situation now where if we simply start legitimizing the situation of the millions who are in the United States we will encourage the continuation of the demographic invasion that has created the problem in the first place.

The first thing we must do is get control of that border and in the meanwhile we should enforce our laws. If we make it very clear that we intend to be serious — both in terms of those who are coming, those who are here, those who hire them — then we are already seeing signs that when we start being serious about enforcement people go home, because they understand that the free ride is over.

So I think that we need a period in which we concentrate on getting control of that border, and in the meanwhile we do what we should have been doing in the first place: enforce the law.

We should realize if we passed the Reagan-era bill, which now Ed Mease and others admit turned out to be a bad mistake, if that didn’t work — do you know why it didn’t work? Because the elites who were sitting in the Congress and had control of the bureaucracy connived to allow the collapse of our border control. They betrayed us.

So the folks that are now telling us that the only way to solve the problem is that we’ve got to give amnesty to the millions who are already here — they let those millions come in here in the first place. So, they create a problem and then tell us that the only way we can deal with it is by utterly undermining the integrity of our laws through an amnesty program. I don’t agree with this.

I think the first priority is to get control of the border, enforce the laws, and once we have done so then we might consider alternatives for the people that are left after we have made it clear that the free ride is done.

MODERATOR: What, in your opinion, should be done with the sanctuary cities that flaunt their disregard of violations of federal immigration laws?

KEYES: I think they ought to be brought in line with the law, and, if necessary, sanctions ought to be imposed in terms of federal funding and things of that kind. Because if you’re going to flaunt the laws that protect the entire country in terms of our border security, the people of the United States have the right to take steps that are necessary to bring you in line with the national security interests as well as the overall sovereignty interests of our people.

MODERATOR: Ambassador, joining us from Georgia tonight is the chairwoman of the Christian Alliance of Georgia, that is, Sadie Fields. Sadie has a question for you pertaining to embryonic stem cell research.

FIELDS: Good evening, Ambassador.

KEYES: Good evening.

FIELDS: Thank you for joining us.

KEYES: Thank you.

FIELDS: Recently, Congress has passed legislation that would expand embryonic stem cell research. President Bush has twice vetoed attempts by Congress to expand the use of human embryos for research. What is your position on embryonic stem research funding, paid for with taxpayer dollars?

KEYES: Two things: embryonic stem cell research is a violation of the fundamental moral principle that the country was founded on — that we’re all created equal and endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights.

The same principle that protects the lives of innocent unborn children in the womb protects that human life, whether it’s in the womb or the Petri dish, because in all those situations we are dealing with that life which has been engendered in accordance with the will of God, and that means we have no option but to respect that life.

To kill the life because we think we’re going to get some research benefits for it, well, I’ll be frank about it. That’s exactly the kind of thing that the Nazis were doing during the Second World War, when they were taking people, killing them, experimenting on them, claiming that they were going to get good out of it. It has been universally condemned by all people of decent conscience, and so should this.

Second point: embryonic stem cell research — they present it as if it’s going to make some big contribution to advances in science. That’s a lie. The advances in science and the actual therapies used right now to alleviate suffering and treat diseases all come from adult stem cells.

MODERATOR: Ambassador, our next question is pertaining to marriage. Recently, Judge Robert Hansen in Iowa struck down the state’s Defense of Marriage Act. The following day a Unitarian Minister performed a ceremony marrying two homosexual men.

What is your position on a Federal Marriage Amendment?

KEYES: I think it’s absolutely essential. Because of the Full Faith and Credit Clause, we’re now in a situation where if one state adopts homosexual marriage, the couples married in that state are then going to fan out all over the country to challenge marriage laws under the Full Faith and Credit Clause that exists in the Constitution.

The only way to protect against that is to have an amendment that makes it clear that the fact that one state adopts homosexual marriage is not going to produce it throughout the United States. So I think that it’s absolutely essential that we have such a marriage amendment.

I also want to point out that the couple that was involved in that case in Iowa — that marriage would not have taken place if Mitt Romney had not been governor of Massachusetts. He personally took it upon himself, by his executive authority, to force the Justices of the Peace in Massachusetts to perform homosexual marriages.

The court in Massachusetts that had issued the ruling about homosexual marriage explicitly said that there was no change in the law as a result of their opinion, and that nothing could be done until the legislature acted — which it did not.

Romney then proceeded to move on his own authority to force the Justices of the Peace to marry, and now he’s going around the country telling everyone that he’s a big supporter of traditional marriage.

Jesus said, “By their fruits ye shall know them,” and Mitt Romney’s fruits are wandering about this country right now, very bad fruit, being used to assault the traditional family.

I think people ought to stop being fooled by mere rhetoric and start looking at the truth.

MODERATOR: As a follow-up to that question, there are those who believe that the marriage issue should be left up to the states, that existing laws are sufficient and that the Constitution shouldn’t be amended to make a provision for marriage.

What is your opinion on that?

KEYES: Well, I think I just stated it. Because if the Full Faith and Credit Clause is sitting there, it can be used to take marriages performed in one state — a homosexual marriage — and challenge laws all over the country.

The laws passed by the states are not a protection against the constitutional clause. In order to protect against that clause you must put a clause in the Constitution that makes it clear that nothing in the document is to be construed as requiring a marriage that is other than between a man and a woman.

If you don’t make that crystal clear in the Constitution, then the existing constitutional provision will be used to assault and undermine the traditional family.

MODERATOR: Our next question is from Sadie Fields.

FIELDS: Mr. Ambassador, I think under the embryonic stem cell research answer that you gave your position on abortion and your views on that, so I’ll just go to — in light of the fact that you’re strongly pro-life, from birth [sic] to natural death, if you’re elected president what type of judges would you nominate to serve on the circuit as well as the U.S. Supreme Court?

KEYES: Well, I would of course nominate judges who know how to read the Constitution. And sadly, that is not the case with many of the folks, even who are running on the Republican side. Because, they are taking the position that overturning Roe vs. Wade means you return this issue to the states, and that’s nonsense.

The Constitution of the United States requires respect for the life of the unborn. The Preamble says very clearly that the ultimate goal of our government is to “secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity.”

That word, posterity, in the Preamble means those who are not yet born; those who come after us; those who are our heirs — including, necessarily and obviously, those who are already in the womb. That means that the Constitution puts them on an equal level with ourselves, and if we are to secure the blessings of liberty for them, how on earth can this be made consistent with taking their lives in the womb? It cannot be.

The only way that Blackmun got away with Roe vs. Wade in the first place was because he did not read the Constitution.

So I would make sure we got some judges who could read the Constitution, but I also want to make one thing clear: the ultimate decision about these matters does not lie with the Supreme Court. All the branches have an independent responsibility to uphold the Constitution.

If the Court makes a decision that the president believes is inconsistent with the Constitution, the president is duty-bound to defend the Constitution as he understands it. So is the Constitutional majority in the legislature, if necessary.

All three of the branches need to wake up to their responsibility to protect innocent life, and I would do so. First thing if I got into office: I would restore the Reagan-era protections of the personhood of the child in the womb, and I would pursue a policy that made sure that we were not using any funds administered under my authority to violate the constitutional rights of unborn children.

MODERATOR: Ambassador, from 2000 to 2006, we had a pro-life, pro-traditional marriage president with a likeminded majority in Congress. In 2004, President Bush carried Ohio and ultimately won the election because of the support of our amendment to define marriage as a unit between one man and one woman. Despite this, the federal marriage amendment didn’t move, and we chipped around the edges with the abortion ban with a partial birth abortion ban. The reality is, very little progress was made in Washington.

What specifically would you do — especially now, considering the new environment in D.C. — to advance a conservative social agenda?

KEYES: Well, the first thing that needs to be done is we need to break the stranglehold of the godless media — the ungodly media — and the ungodly money on politicians in this country, on both sides of the aisle. We have a lot of Republicans who get the bulk of their money from fundraisers who are abortion-minded and who don’t care about the moral issues. That’s why all of them lose their courage, because they are taking money from these sources.

You can’t deal with it after you get elected. You have to deal with it in the way you get elected. That means that you’ve got to put together a truly grassroots community of faith that will stand firm in defense of these moral principles, and that’s what we’re doing on the Keyes campaign.

If folks go to alankeyes.com, they will find there something we call the “Pledge for America’s Revival,” pledging support for our return to the godly principles of the Declaration and the application of those principles in every area of policy where we confront crisis.

People who believe in that need to stand up and start working, not just on election day, but right now. And we ask that they commit to find five others, at least, who will do the same thing until we have built up an army — a new community that is based on commitment and allegiance to the first principle that our rights come from God and must be exercised with respect for the authority of God.

The grassroots people of this country must again get active — stop acting like politics is a spectator sport, something you watch on T.V. — and get involved again. They must realize that candidates shouldn’t run for office, the people should run them for office.

That means that the people have to be the active component of every campaign for political office, spreading the word in their families, their workplace, their community.

We need government of the people, by the people, for the people, but that means that people have to be active in putting together the coalition, so that then you won’t have ungodly money undoing the election result — you won’t have the ungodly media lying and undoing the election result — because we, the people, will have made the choice and determined the choices, rather than letting these people be the gatekeepers of our choices so that all we get are evil choices, and then they tell us we have no choice but to vote for the lesser of evils, which our Lord forbade us to do.

So, I think that we need to get busy, and that’s what the Alan Keyes campaign is about. I think we have to build the community that is going to advance these kinds of policies and get them moving, but you have to do it while you are doing your campaign. You have to organize people around the country to be active so that they will control the result once the election is over.

Otherwise, the people who went out and raised the money, that put the commercials on the air that we sit passively by and watch, they’ll run the show. We won’t.

MODERATOR: Ambassador, our next question pertains to support for Israel. This was emailed in to us from one of our listeners: “Israel is a small nation surrounded by enemies who want to drive her into the sea. Why is it important for the U.S. to remain a staunch supporter of Israel?”

KEYES: I learned this lesson when I was working with Ronald Reagan and representing the United States in the international arena, at the General Assembly at the United Nations, where all the nations of the world would gang up on Israel and the only ally they reliably had was the United States.

I went through many battles — at the Women’s Conference in Nairobi, where I fought against the “Zionism is Racism” resolution, and everywhere else that I was heading or helping to head delegations where they were trying to undermine and destroy the legitimacy of our relationship with Israel.

I think that relationship is important, because Israel is a country that has been committed to representative government and democratic values.

It is also a country that represents a part of our Biblical heritage, where it is clear that God, Himself, has a plan of which Israel is a part. And we need to be cognizant of that as a people — for, I believe we ourselves are also, if we’re willing to act with consistent respect for God, a part of that plan.

So I believe that on a twofold level, both the moral level and the level of our interest as a people in working with an effective and strong democracy — the only one that’s out there as a representative government in the Middle East — that we have a strong stake in the U.S./Israeli relationship. I have fought hard over the years in my person to defend it, and as president I would certainly be doing so.

MODERATOR: A question pertaining to the war in Iraq: currently we have well over 150,000 troops in Iraq in the surge. What is your opinion of how long these troops should stay there at this troop level? What would you do in your administration to downsize the force? What is the ultimate goal for the United States’ interest in the nation of Iraq?

KEYES: I know that the media and the Democrats have imposed on our discussion of the situation in the Middle East and in Iraq this notion that our goal is somehow to get our forces out, bring the troops home.

Every time I hear them talk about this I say to myself, “But wait a minute, if bringing the troops home means, in this case, bringing the war home, that means that instead of having our armed forces fighting the armed forces of the terrorists in Iraq, we will have the armed forces of terror doing what they did on September 11: coming to our country to kill our unarmed civilians.”

Didn’t we spend billions of dollars on a defense budget in order to make sure that we would have an armed, super trained, professional force that could go out in the world to deal with dangers to this country and its people, before those dangers came to our shores and took lives?

The failure of that arrangement on 9/11 should not have become a precedent for our policy. Instead, we need to pursue an offensive strategy that goes to the heart of where this problem is being created. And it’s being created in the Middle East, and we need to have our forces getting to the terrorists and taking their lives before they have a chance to come to America to take our lives.

How long will that take? Well, I think that entirely depends on how long we are faced with willful thugs driven by religious fanaticism who want to kill Americans. We’re not in control of that, but we can be in control of our safety and security if we insist on defending ourselves properly and appropriately against them.

MODERATOR: Ambassador Keyes, tell our listeners in the next few minutes why you are running for the presidency of the United States of America.

KEYES: I’m running for president because I think this republic is collapsing. I think our system of self-government is being replaced by a system in which we will be dominated by foreign powers, by globalist institutions, by self-seeking corporations, instead of having a government of, by, and for the people.

This collapse of our national sovereignty and the sovereignty of our people is taking place because we have abandoned the basic moral principle on which this country was founded: that our rights come from God, and that therefore we must exercise them and apply them with respect for the authority of God.

In every area, we are finding that this retreat from principle is leading to the destruction of innocent life in the womb, the collapse of the family structure, the loss of our self-confidence in the defense of our borders, and finally, a misunderstanding of what the war on terror is about, since our aim must be to defeat the forces that disregard the claims of innocent life, in violation of the fundamental principle on which our country was founded.

And I don’t hear anybody else articulating this vision which makes it clear that we are urgently involved in an effort to save our republic, to save our system of self-government, and that effort especially depends on reasserting our allegiance for the basic founding vision and principles that our Founders put in place for this country.

I’m just sick of all the people dancing around it and acting as if we’re dealing with this issue and that issue and the other issue. There is one issue, and all these other issues are like the fissures and cracks in the wall that bespeak the collapse of the foundations.

It’s time we dealt with the real problem, articulated it with vision, and faced it with moral courage. And that is what my effort is about: to call people together on the common ground of our faith in God and our acceptance of the Declaration’s principles, so that we can once again become a government of, by, and for a people who have reclaimed their active citizenship and reestablished real liberty in this country.

MODERATOR: Ambassador Alan Keyes — Ambassador, we want to thank you on behalf the Christian Alliance chapters across the country, thank you sir for taking the time with us tonight and sharing with our listeners.

KEYES: Thank you for having me.

MODERATOR: God bless.

KEYES: God bless you.


43 posted on 01/09/2008 2:19:56 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Cut the heart out of the GOP platform, and the party will be nothing but "a Weekend at Bernie's...)
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To: EternalVigilance

>> If you weren’t a complete newbie, you’d know that.

I’m not a “complete newbie” ... I’m an oldie with a completely new handle.

>> However, your posts remain dishonest and completely out of touch with reality. Alan has behaved in no way like you’ve misrepresented him, and my presentation of these events have been straightforward and factual.

Just the opinion of this humble conservative. I was a Keyes voter in 2000 ... but I’ve grown tired of his constant complaints that the media/GOP/etc. are out to get him. This is just the latest example.

If you do indeed work for Dr. Keyes, you might mention to him that his incessant complaints of unfairness aren’t playing well to us ignorant masses. Campaigns aren’t fair, and whiners aren’t fit to be President.

You might also mention that he should get elected to something else before trying for President again ... he’s beginning to look like Lyndon LaRouche.

>> Things which your posts make it clear you could care less about.

My posts have said no such thing. The thing is, Keyes whines so much about injustice and being treated unfairly that I simply don’t believe him anymore. He’s cried wolf a few too many times.

>> And, they’ve only been posted here because conservative citizens need to know what is happening to their electoral process. It isn’t just Alan Keyes that is being disenfranchised, it is the sovereign citizens of this country.

I’m sorry - but this characterization of “disenfranchisement” is simply strange. People are guaranteed the right to vote for whomever they want (which Keyes voters clearly could’ve done — he recieved votes). People aren’t guaranteed that every possible candidate will appear on the ballot ... thus the write-in option.

There are guidelines for appearing on the ballot ... guidelines that Keyes apparently didn’t meet.

H


44 posted on 01/09/2008 2:36:15 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

>> By the way, this paragraph is stinking up the joint.

I’m sorry it didn’t meet your approval.

H


45 posted on 01/09/2008 2:38:26 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: Hemorrhage

Ah. A retread.

If your vote is thrown in the trash can, are you disenfranchised or not? Do you care about anyone else but yourself being disenfranchised?

You keep dishonestly talking about “deadlines” and “guidelines” that don’t even exist. And, there has never been an official ballot for the Iowa Caucuses. Still isn’t. It was a phony slate that was issued by the state party which fooled folks at the grassroots into believing it was a ballot.


46 posted on 01/09/2008 2:41:54 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Cut the heart out of the GOP platform, and the party will be nothing but "a Weekend at Bernie's...)
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To: EternalVigilance

My complaints about Keyes aren’t doctrinal - I think he’s a smart man, generally right on the issues, and one of the country’s best living orators. He’s conservative through-and-through.

My complaints are more personal ... I don’t agree with his tactical decision to treat every bad break as if it were an injustice intentionally perpetrated on him in a conspiratorial effort to silence him (incidentally, just as he is treating the Iowa Caucus situation).

I also disagree with his assumption that he doesn’t need experience in elected office before being the Presidential nominee of a major Party. He’s smart, but he needs to prove he can win SOMETHING before becoming the GOP-standard-bearer (this holds true for others as well ... such as Condi Rice, for instance).

H


47 posted on 01/09/2008 2:46:29 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: Hemorrhage

So, he should just shut up and let the process be completely corrupted. If your candidate were treated this way, would you expect him to do the same?


48 posted on 01/09/2008 2:51:51 PM PST by EternalVigilance (Cut the heart out of the GOP platform, and the party will be nothing but "a Weekend at Bernie's...)
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To: EternalVigilance

>> If your vote is thrown in the trash can, are you disenfranchised or not?

Was a vote thrown in the trash can? I don’t remember that from the complaint. I do remember the following familiar Keyes refrain, however - “The exclusion of Keyes appears motivated by bias against him — in a way that is un-American and contrary to democratic principles.”

>> Do you care about anyone else but yourself being disenfranchised?

Certainly. But I require more than the complaint of a candidate (especially one that complains incessantly) to establish disenfranchisement. Otherwise, I’d still be fretting over Florida 2000.

>> You keep dishonestly talking about “deadlines” and “guidelines” that don’t even exist.

Certainly SOME guidelines exist. I don’t claim to know them ... as I live in Texas, and care surprisingly little about the Hawkeye Cauci. But, I simply don’t believe that the caucuses are held without ANY guidelines.

>> It was a phony slate that was issued by the state party which fooled folks at the grassroots into believing it was a ballot.

In an attempt to supress Keyes voters, no doubt. You’ve still yet to answer as to why people in the Iowa GOP would go to so much trouble to shaft Alan Keyes ... a candidate with so little chance of winning that he’s hardly worth mentioning.

H


49 posted on 01/09/2008 2:56:18 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance

>> So, he should just shut up and let the process be completely corrupted. If your candidate were treated this way, would you expect him to do the same?

Amazingly ... Keyes is the only candidate that ever seems to be treated this way. And, it seems to happen every time Keyes loses. That smacks not of “corruption” of the process, but of grandstanding and/or oversensitivity by the candidate.

H


50 posted on 01/09/2008 2:58:56 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
"They’re the words of one of the sanest men in America, actually:"

I'm not sure that I recognize people that attempt to get "noticed" at the expense of others as being "the sanest."  They are typically referenced in sentences that contain references to Columbine, Virginia Tech or Roman Polanski.

Your indignation is quite humorous and the attempt to recruit by telling people that "their vote" might be next is simply reaching too far.

There are no constitutional requirements limiting or suggesting how any party determines their candidate.  In fact I think one of the requirements is to toss out anyone who's name ends in "eyes."  It's legal, even if neither of us can actually find that rule.

Dr. Keyes defrauded the Des Moines Register in my very humble opinion as he knowing lied about having a campaign office and one full time paid worker in Iowa by October 1st.

Byron York of the National Review says it best: 

The criteria for admission to the debate, according to the Register, were that a candidate must have filed papers with the Federal Election Commission; that he must have publicly announced his candidacy; that he have a campaign office in Iowa as of October 1; that he have at least one full-time paid staff member in Iowa; and that he score at least one percent support in the Register’s October poll.

Keyes has indeed filed the required papers. He did announce, in September, that he is a candidate. And he scored two percent support in the Register’s October poll, although he showed zero percent support in the same poll in November. As far as having a campaign office and at least one full-time paid staffer, well, that’s where things get a little fuzzy. And that, it turns out, is a bit of a sore spot for the candidate, who came to the media Spin Room to confront anyone who had the slightest doubt that he belonged up there with the other candidates.

As Keyes made his way through the jam of reporters and cameramen, I said to him, “Ambassador, some people are a little confused about what you’ve been doing to campaign in Iowa for the last couple of months. So could you tell us what you’ve been doing in Iowa – “

“I’ve been running a national campaign that’s based on a different principle than you’ll understand,” Keyes began.

“But here in Iowa?”

“Hold it. Can I explain the principle? Because you don’t get to define the process of politics in this country. You only think you do. The people define it. My campaign is based on the notion that we reach out to people all over this country. We ask them to sign a pledge at my website, alankeyes.com. It’s called the “Pledge for America’s Revival.” And in that pledge every person who signs it says they are going to find five other people at least to join our army of political revival. And everywhere a person signs a pledge — and I have told them this – they are the campaign. You have invented this notion that campaigns are yard signs and appearances and stuff. You don’t have the right to say what it is. A campaign is people reaching people. It is conducted not by politicians and not by the media, but by the people themselves.”

That was a rather long way of saying Keyes hasn’t done much of anything in Iowa. At that point, Keyes looked over his shoulder to Tom Hoefling, an Iowa Republican who was accompanying him. “How many people do we have now in Iowa?” he asked.

“I can’t give you a number,” Hoefling said. “We have thousands.”

“But in terms of the pledges?” Keyes said.

“I don’t know – a couple hundred,” Hoefling answered.

In fact, alankeyes.com lists the number of people, by state, who have signed the pledge. And in Iowa, the number is…49. In New Hampshire, 18 people have signed the pledge. In South Carolina, 44 have signed. Nationwide, according to the website, a total of 2,678 people have signed the pledge.

The Register poll in October surveyed 405 likely Republican caucus goers. Keyes could have gotten two percent of that by having eight people say they supported him. Through the marvels of statistics, it might be that the Register managed to hit eight of the 49 people who had signed Keyes’ pledge. Voila! Keyes took his place on the stage.

But nobody knew those numbers in the Spin Room, and Hoefling’s mention of a “couple hundred” only served to confuse things.

“You have a couple hundred paid staff in Iowa?” a reporter asked.

“No, it’s not paid staff,” Keyes said. “Are you listening or not?”

“It’s a question. How many paid staff in Iowa?”

Keyes had had enough of such details. “You are working, I guess, for the elites who want us to believe that campaigns are about money,” he told the reporter.

“Do you not wish to answer the question?”

“No, I want you to understand that you don’t have the right to dictate our political process. It belongs to the people, not to you. And money doesn’t buy votes.”

I jumped in again. “Ambassador, I’m going to ask you one more time. Have you personally been doing campaign events here in Iowa in the last few months?”

“I have had several campaign events here in Iowa, but I will not define those events as you do,” he said.

“In the last few months?”

“I don’t define those events as you do. And I don’t think you have any right whatsoever to establish yourselves as the arbiter of what constitutes an event. I will do that in a way that reflects the best needs and purposes of the people who are working with me. Because as I see it, every time somebody comes forward and takes the pledge, that’s an Iowa event.”

That puts Keyes at 49 and counting.

Sane or not, his answers to simple questions reflect those I expect from children, or an ass.

 

51 posted on 01/09/2008 3:10:33 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (waiting to hear what the reverends Jesse & Al have to say about lily white Iowa voting for Obama!)
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To: HawaiianGecko

Wow. I hadn’t read that little fiasco.

That’s ridiculous. Sometime righteous indignation simply sounds self-righteous.

H


52 posted on 01/09/2008 3:17:23 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: HawaiianGecko

>> Because you don’t get to define the process of politics in this country. You only think you do. The people define it. My campaign is based on the notion that we reach out to people all over this country. We ask them to sign a pledge at my website, alankeyes.com. It’s called the “Pledge for America’s Revival.” And in that pledge every person who signs it says they are going to find five other people at least to join our army of political revival. And everywhere a person signs a pledge — and I have told them this – they are the campaign. You have invented this notion that campaigns are yard signs and appearances and stuff. You don’t have the right to say what it is. A campaign is people reaching people. It is conducted not by politicians and not by the media, but by the people themselves.”

>> “I don’t define those events as you do. And I don’t think you have any right whatsoever to establish yourselves as the arbiter of what constitutes an event. I will do that in a way that reflects the best needs and purposes of the people who are working with me. Because as I see it, every time somebody comes forward and takes the pledge, that’s an Iowa event.”

These answers are dangerously close to “that depends on what your definition of ‘is’ is.” Keyes claims to have Iowa staff and Iowa events ... he simply will not submit to any reasonable definition of “staff” or “event”?

Keyes is becoming a cartoon character.

H


53 posted on 01/09/2008 3:20:31 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: Hemorrhage
Drinking Coffee   Below are two lists of 2008 Presidential Candidates (actually declared and FEC filed) that were neither invited to debates nor placed upon any ballots.  Somehow I don't feel disenfranchised, although I suspect their mother's might.

Democrats
  • Roland Aranjo
  • Willie Carter
  • Randy Crow
  • Phil Epstein
  • Michael Forrester
  • Wrendo Goodwin
  • Henry Hewes
  • D.R. Hunter
  • Keith Judd
  • Karl Krueger
  • Dal LaMagna
  • Frank Lynch
  • Grover Cleveland Mullins
  • Larry Reed
  • Lee L. Mercer Jr.

And a list of Republicans.
  • Jedidiah Kennedy Banks
  • Daniel Barnett 
  • Dewey Broughman
  • Susan Ducey
  • Cap Fendig
  • David Furniss
  • Dan Gilbert
  • Mildred Howard
  • Dr. Mark Klein
  • William Koenig
  • Alden Link
  • Stephen Macmillan
  • Yehenna Joan Mary Malone
  • Ray McKinney
  • James Mitchell
  • Jesus Muhammed
  • Launeil Sanders
  • Dr. Jack Shepard
  • Michael Charles Smith
  • Richard Michael Smith
  • Keith Sprankle
  • Corrogan Vaughn
  • Virgil Wiles
  • Vernon Wuensche


54 posted on 01/09/2008 3:31:12 PM PST by HawaiianGecko (waiting to hear what the reverends Jesse & Al have to say about lily white Iowa voting for Obama!)
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To: Hemorrhage
He isn’t losing because of bias - he’s losing because nobody’s voting for him.

I agree....I really like the man and glad he's a Republican. He's got a great mind and passion for ideas for the Country. He just does not have the "it" factor.

55 posted on 01/09/2008 3:41:11 PM PST by oust the louse ("NEVER LET THE ENEMY PICK THE BATTLESITE".....General George S. Patton,Jr.)
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To: HawaiianGecko

Don’t forget Cheryl Seelhoff** of the “Free Soil Party”.

I’d have voted for her if she were on the ballot ... I swear!

** She is an actual candidate. The only reason I know this is I read her wacko radical feminist blog on occasion on “womensspace.org”. Its hilarious ... but I have a somewhat warped sense of humor.

The funniest part of the “campaign” is that her official “campaign banners” have a picture of the symbol for “woman” (o+) pasted on top of a picture of the Capital Building with the slogan “Heart for President” (”Heart” is her blog handle). Why she has pictures of the Capital instead of the White House is entirely inexplicable.

Seelhoff for President ‘08!

H


56 posted on 01/09/2008 3:41:27 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: Hemorrhage

“Capital” should be spelled “Capitol”. Doh!

H


57 posted on 01/09/2008 3:44:24 PM PST by SnakeDoctor (How 'Bout Them Cowboys!!!)
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To: EternalVigilance
There were other so-called candidates who were not on the "ballot". There was no official ballot. People wrote their choices on a piece of paper. If anyone wanted to vote for Keyes, all they had to do is write down his name.

I helped count the ballots in our precinct and Keyes had no votes.

58 posted on 01/09/2008 3:52:13 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: EternalVigilance

You are correct. Keyes (and Hunter) is probably the only candidate running that would honor his oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. Keyes makes the rest of the GOP field look like the pathetic liberals that they are.


59 posted on 01/09/2008 3:52:35 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Kevmo
I gather things stink in Iowa almost as much as in New Hampshire. The GOP will soon migrate from being the stupid party to the stinky party.

Nothing stinks in Iowa Republican politics. The people at RPI are honorable people and I trust them to do the right thing.

60 posted on 01/09/2008 3:56:08 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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