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Mars billionaire fights energy firms over drilling
The Telegraph ^ | 1/9/08 | Tom Leonard

Posted on 01/09/2008 6:01:24 PM PST by bruinbirdman

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1 posted on 01/09/2008 6:01:26 PM PST by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Why didn’t he buy the mineral rights then?


2 posted on 01/09/2008 6:06:10 PM PST by NonValueAdded ("Hillary ... a product whose sell-by date has passed" (OMG, I'm quoting Shrum))
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To: bruinbirdman
I was thinking of this Mars billionaire.

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3 posted on 01/09/2008 6:08:30 PM PST by cripplecreek (Only one consistent conservative in this race and his name is Hunter.)
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To: NonValueAdded

In the west, it is often the case that the federal government came in and stripped off the mineral rights from the land quite some time back.

On our farm in Nevada, the desert land entry started with all the rights, and then just before the Dep’t of Interior deeded the land over to the first owners, the feds stripped the oil and gas rights off the land and held them ‘in trust’ for the ‘American people.’

After that, you cannot buy the mineral rights - you can only lease them.


4 posted on 01/09/2008 6:13:12 PM PST by NVDave
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Image hosted by Photobucket.com he can simply buy the company if he wants to stop them bad enough...
5 posted on 01/09/2008 6:13:13 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: NonValueAdded

Minerals rights aren’t always for sale.


6 posted on 01/09/2008 6:13:25 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

NV Dave has the correct answer upthread.


7 posted on 01/09/2008 6:14:14 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: cripplecreek

Haha, classic!


8 posted on 01/09/2008 6:21:20 PM PST by ECM (Government is a make-work program for lawyers.)
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9 posted on 01/09/2008 6:33:00 PM PST by rfp1234 (Phodopus campbelli: household ruler since July 2007.)
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To: bruinbirdman
Loren O'Toole, a lawyer for the Diamond Cross ranch, said his opposition to energy development was rooted in the vast amounts of water that drilling can consume.

For working cattle ranches, such as Diamond Cross, a steady supply of water is a crucial factor in America's arid West.

Mr O'Toole said the lawsuits were not meant to block development. "That's not the point. The point is we can't lose all that water and at the same time have no provision to put it back," he said.

OK, if the above is true then it's a reasonable position and there should be some reasonable way to work this out. 

If it's true. 

 

10 posted on 01/09/2008 6:34:29 PM PST by Phsstpok (When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring!)
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If he doesn’t own the mineral rights, and never did, I don’t see how he can legally prevent drilling. Since he’s a billionaire, he can buy off the courts, but an honest judge would tell him where to shove his Mars Bars.

His professed concerns over the supposed huge amounts of water used in drilling are BS.


11 posted on 01/09/2008 6:34:45 PM PST by ozzymandus
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“Mars billionaire fights energy firms over drilling “

Sure.
I wouldn’t be shocked if the guy behind Mars candies and about a
million cavaties isn’t a big investor in dental drill and NO2 gas
delivery systems.
And owns a good chunck of the electrical utilities to run the drills.

Yeah, I’m a cynic/skeptic.
But as Andy Grove of Intel says “Only The Paranoid Survive”.


12 posted on 01/09/2008 6:37:42 PM PST by VOA
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these are very strange people. In spite of being one of the two wealthiest families in Amreica, but nobody knows much about them. The entire company is built around secrecy and all of its records are very secret. The factories are organized in such a way to keep as much work centered and contained so as to minimize knowledge of the entire operation. The corporate office is in a Small office building very old and employes only a few people most of whom are members of the family. Nobody knows much about what goes on there. It is said to be very spartan and very few people are let in. The Mars family is practically unknown in the community that they live in in New jersey. One of the things that did get out owever, is that on eof the women in the family developed most of the famous candy prodcts in her own kitchen at home. Very strange people!
13 posted on 01/09/2008 6:39:21 PM PST by bilhosty
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Dear Mr. Forrest E Mars,
You can't take it with you.

Best Regards,
MaxMax.

14 posted on 01/09/2008 6:40:26 PM PST by MaxMax (God Bless America)
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To: Phsstpok

Drilling doesn’t take that much water. I used to work out on a rig in the desert. The water was brought out once in awhile in a tanker truck. Most of it was just recirculated down (and up) the well.

As far as other environmental aspects - modern drilling is pretty clean, it has to be with all of the regulations involved. Of course a few new dirt roads will traverse his property.

I wonder if his grandparent’s ever got shut down or sued when their chocolate batches stunk up the neighborhood?


15 posted on 01/09/2008 6:46:36 PM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory. ------ www.gohunter08.com ------)
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To: bruinbirdman

He lost his court case yesterday.


16 posted on 01/09/2008 6:47:33 PM PST by Wondering in Wyoming
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To: NVDave
Here's the new link. Today is tomorrow in UK.

With all the riverrs around their property, I don't think "water" is the real reason for a dispute. The Mars are "recluses".

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17 posted on 01/09/2008 7:33:12 PM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. - Ayn Rand")
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They should have done the same with Alaska. The land was purchased with federal money and belonged to everyone in all the states.
18 posted on 01/09/2008 8:01:21 PM PST by Mark was here (Hard work never killed anyone, but why take the chance?)
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They should have done the same with Alaska.

They did more than that. The Federal Goverment owns most of the mineral rights AND most of the surface in Alaska. The State Goverment owns a much smaller but significant portion, about 28%. The natives were awarded about 11% of the land and mineral rights. Private ownerships of land is Alaska is less than 1% of the state.

Land Ownership in Alaska, with map
http://www.conservationgiscenter.org/maps/html/landown.html

http://library.state.ak.us/is/faq/FARQlandownership.html

19 posted on 01/10/2008 4:40:26 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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State Law is unconstitutional. This is a basic infringement on property rights.

I take the same position on “ground rents” that some cities have.


20 posted on 01/10/2008 4:43:12 AM PST by sauropod (Welcome to O'Malleyland. What's in your wallet?)
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