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Obama's Church: More about African than God?
WorldNetDaily ^ | Jan. 9, '08 | Ron Strom

Posted on 01/10/2008 11:23:14 PM PST by T.L.Sink

Chicago congregation has 'non-negotiable commitment' to 'mother continent.' While some election commentators are looking carefully at the level of devotion Barack Obama has to Islam, it's the strong African-centered and race-based philosophy of the senator's United Church of Christ that has some crying foul. The church in Chicago was where Obama was baptized two decades ago, even borrowing the title for one of his books, "The Audacity of Hope," from a sermon by his pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. The first paragraph of the "about us" section of the church's website mentions the word "black" or "Africa" five times. Focus on the African continent continues in two of the 10 point vision of the church: (4) A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA. [boldness in original] (7) A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.

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Since Obama favors the open-borders policy and the massive invasion of illegal aliens into the United States, his church membership should enhance his resume. Afrocentrism is consistent with the ethnocentrism that is one of the factors fueling the amnesty/open-borders lobby. Let's all be balknanized together as we move inexorably towards Third World status!
1 posted on 01/10/2008 11:23:16 PM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

Not exactly an America first crowd.


2 posted on 01/10/2008 11:36:35 PM PST by americanophile
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To: T.L.Sink

The denomination commonly known as the United Church of Christ that we frequently encounter is rooted in German protestantism. What is the connection between this congregation and its pastor and their Afro-centrism and the more familiar United Church of Christ, if any?


3 posted on 01/10/2008 11:38:55 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: T.L.Sink

Just look at the United Church of Christ Website - www.ucc.org. You will see that the entire denomination is very political and socially oriented and not very Christ centered as their name might suggest. That is why I left.


4 posted on 01/10/2008 11:43:23 PM PST by Martins kid
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To: AmericanVictory

the full article from WND speaks of a “congregation” in essence having its own theology, not a denomination. The description of Liberation Theology is of a theology that had spread in the Roman Catholic Church that the late Pope John Paul combated successfully as part of his successful battle with us and Maggie Thatcher and Lech Walensa and others against communism. Obviously this will appeal to all those Democrats and journalists and college professors and other intellectual poseurs who didn’t like it that we defeated Soviet communism and felt that it “meant well” but was just imperfectly implemented.


5 posted on 01/10/2008 11:46:32 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: T.L.Sink

Barack Hussein Obama is an African-American who has not shared the black American experience and, by birth and blood, a Muslim for at least 31 years. His politics are rooted in Marx and socialism...

http://www.freedomsenemies.com/_more/obama.htm


6 posted on 01/11/2008 12:17:19 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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Wow. I knew much of what’s written but to put it all together strongly makes the case for how incredibly dangerous his candidacy is for this country. It’s enough to make me wanna give money to Hillary and vote in the Dem primary to make sure this doesn’t happen.


7 posted on 01/11/2008 2:50:59 AM PST by AirForceGeorge
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To: T.L.Sink; AirForceGeorge; AmericanVictory; Martins kid
This is more specific, Obama's black nationalist church in Chicago:

http://www.tucc.org/home.htm

The Trumpet Magazine issue featured there has a section featuring Louis Farrakhan -- an "empowerment interview".

From the current issue:

"The decision was made to honor socially conscious giants who commit their life’s work to saving the lives of Africans on the continent and in the Diaspora."

Spelled Pronunciation[dahy-as-per-uh] noun

1. the scattering of the Jews to countries outside of Palestine after the Babylonian captivity. 2. (often lowercase) the body of Jews living in countries outside Palestine or modern Israel. 3. such countries collectively: the return of the Jews from the Diaspora. 4. (lowercase) any group migration or flight from a country or region; dispersion. 5. (lowercase) any group that has been dispersed outside its traditional homeland. 6. (lowercase) any religious group living as a minority among people of the prevailing religion.

It seems clear the word "diaspora" is used much like mainstream Christians might use the word "caliphate".

Trumpeter magazine published an interview with Louis Farrakhan and then this:

Social Justice. The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan is the recipient of this year’s Lifetime Achievement “Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. Trumpeter” Award.

8 posted on 01/11/2008 3:19:57 AM PST by zipper
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To: george76

Thanks for the info. I’ve seen the stuff on his activist church - but all that other stuff is even more disturbing. Especialy the Alinsky stuff (like Hillary).


9 posted on 01/11/2008 3:40:30 AM PST by geopyg (Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory. ------ www.gohunter08.com ------)
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To: george76

Those Republicans and conservatives who don’t understand the need to coalesce around and support a viable candidate soon, very soon, in order to prevent a disastrous loss of the presidency, need to read what you posted.


10 posted on 01/11/2008 3:42:19 AM PST by gruna
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To: T.L.Sink
Lately, I have been looking at Obama's conversion and nowhere can I find a reference to Obama's baptism.

The best information I can find is this account:

Obama walked down the aisle of Trinity Church to make a formal commitment of his faith. However, Cathleen Falsani, religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, warns us that Obama’s walking the aisle at Trinity is poles apart from what Christians commonly refer to as being "saved, transformed or washed in the blood." In other words, it’s not to be confused with what Jesus called being "born again." As Mr. Obama himself explains, "It wasn’t an epiphany…but just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

What kind of faith is it that is growing in Barack Obama? Is it the historic Christian faith? Not according to the good senator, who describes his faith as: (1) Suspicious of dogma (2) Without any monopoly on the truth (3) Nontransferable to others (4) Infused with a big healthy dose of doubt, and (5) Indulgent of and compatible with all other religions. Unlike traditional Christianity, which Mr. Obama bemoans for its “call to evangelize and proselytize,” the good senator’s faith is strictly a personal and private affair. Although he has no qualms about parading it in public in hopes of bolstering his political career, he would never dream of preaching it to others in hopes of converting them to Christ."

How does a "walk down the aisle" make one a Christian?

Also Obama claims his conversion happened during "his twenties," but most of the references I find is that his "conversion" occurred in 1992, the same year he married Michelle.

I would appreciate any hard evidence -- either way -- that Obama is a baptized Christian and in what year did his conversion occur.


11 posted on 01/11/2008 3:47:10 AM PST by Beckwith (Dhimmicrats and the liberal media have chosen sides -- Islamofascism)
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To: T.L.Sink

Barak Hussein Obama in church...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAUXC_uwaR8


12 posted on 01/11/2008 3:50:31 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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I don’t know the specifics other than what’s in the article. But a sacramentally valid baptism must be administered with water in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Anything else is no baptism.


13 posted on 01/11/2008 6:31:55 AM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: zipper

Thank you for the information.


14 posted on 01/11/2008 6:33:29 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Very good! Who was the pastor, Fr. Arafat?


15 posted on 01/11/2008 6:35:23 AM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: AmericanVictory

I think the answer is that the church polity is “congregational” and not, as in the Catholic tradition, hierarchical with any central clerical authority. Each congregation is more or less independent. For churches in the Catholic tradition the smallest administrative unit is not the parish but the diocese.


16 posted on 01/11/2008 6:43:50 AM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: george76

Thanks for the information. On his website Daniel Pipes recently posted an interesting article about Obama’s religion. He essentially ssys that if Obama was at one time a Muslim, even a perfunctory and not a serious one, he would be subject to assassination because to strict Muslims apostasy - leaving Islam for another faith - is the WORST possible sin. To be born and to remain an “infidel” is much more acceptable than that. Interesting thought!


17 posted on 01/11/2008 6:58:42 AM PST by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

The muslims will never issue a fatwa on their Trojan Horse.


18 posted on 01/11/2008 7:39:47 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: gruna

The Hidden Army Of Radical Islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7L05geznoI


19 posted on 01/11/2008 7:41:23 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

None are so blind as those who will not see.


20 posted on 01/11/2008 11:10:25 AM PST by gruna
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